Why I’m no longer a Christian

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466857 Sep 28, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Except Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Actually, the gospels are only attributed to "Mark", "Matthew", and "John".

Luke has been acknowledged as his author, unfortunately, Luke is a third hand source, so it may not be as reliable as the others.

Luke if you read it contextually, is almost verbatim of Mark, as is Matthew, so it is suspicious that is an original story, but just one that was copied.

One could also include that Luke contains many of the GoThomas sayings, so Thomas may also been a source for Luke when he wrote it.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#466858 Sep 29, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>It is a vision and a prediction of what's to come.
Nope; just an hallucination. Or an outright lie in order to frighten people into submisison, take your pick.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#466859 Sep 29, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Oops. Surely you do not think this passage in 2 Kings is a miracle of a healing of one born blind?
2 Kings:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Liam, the miracle here is that there were guardians on horses and chariots of fire which were unseen to the humans until God opened their spiritual eyes.
Proof that you do not believe in a god; you believe in your buybull. Your "god" is nothing more than paper and ink.

How pathetic is that?
duke

Vine Grove, KY

#466860 Sep 29, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Oops. Surely you do not think this passage in 2 Kings is a miracle of a healing of one born blind?
2 Kings:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Liam, the miracle here is that there were guardians on horses and chariots of fire which were unseen to the humans until God opened their spiritual eyes.
sounds like aliens to me.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#466861 Sep 30, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
John 9:32 Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
then again it could mean that the dude was just narrow minded and refused to see what was in front of him. until another human said something to him that helped him see things in a different way.

or it could have been conversion disorder.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466862 Sep 30, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>It is a vision and a prediction of what's to come.
It is proof that the isle of Patmos had a good supply of magic mushrooms.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466863 Sep 30, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Oops. Surely you do not think this passage in 2 Kings is a miracle of a healing of one born blind?
2 Kings:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
Liam, the miracle here is that there were guardians on horses and chariots of fire which were unseen to the humans until God opened their spiritual eyes.
Read the WHOLE passage IN CONTEXT:

2 Kings 6:18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
...
6:20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.

Elisha healed the whole host. GoJohn HAD to claim that Jesus healed someone "born" blind, GoJohn was attempting to create a false Messiah out of an itinerant preacher.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466865 Sep 30, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the WHOLE passage IN CONTEXT:
2 Kings 6:18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
...
6:20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.
Elisha healed the whole host. GoJohn HAD to claim that Jesus healed someone "born" blind, GoJohn was attempting to create a false Messiah out of an itinerant preacher.
Only God has power to give sight, to take it away, and to restore it.
Jesus is God.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466866 Sep 30, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the WHOLE passage IN CONTEXT:
2 Kings 6:18 And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the LORD, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha.
...
6:20 And it came to pass, when they were come into Samaria, that Elisha said, LORD, open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the LORD opened their eyes, and they saw; and, behold, they were in the midst of Samaria.
Elisha healed the whole host.
Where do you get that Elisha healed the whole host? He asked the Lord to open their eyes.
yTube

AOL

#466868 Oct 1, 2013
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duststorm

League City, TX

#466869 Oct 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?
You understand that you also are without end.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#466870 Oct 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>You understand that you also are without end.
Okay - but it still doesn't answer why you don't believe these texts like you do with the canon.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466871 Oct 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?
<quoted text>
Okay - but it still doesn't answer why you don't believe these texts like you do with the canon.
They are not the true scriptures. I'm sorry you've spent so much of your time on the rambling, false material.
I'm always going to err on the side of truth.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466872 Oct 1, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Only God has power to give sight, to take it away, and to restore it.
Jesus is God.
So, you are saying that Elisa is also a god?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466873 Oct 1, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>You posted an opinion that the book of the Revelation dates from the time of Domitian.
The book itself clearly states that it is a prediction of the future.
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
and
Rev. 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
So? You want to take the word of someone who was stoned on magic mushrooms? Every time anyone wrote an apocalypse, they described it as a prediction of the future. It is a characteristic of the genre. Quite a few have been written over the years, none of them mean anything.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#466874 Oct 1, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>They are not the true scriptures. I'm sorry you've spent so much of your time on the rambling, false material.
I'm always going to err on the side of truth.
But the ONLY difference is that what you want to call "true" scripture was voted in by a committee.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#466875 Oct 1, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Only God has power to give sight, to take it away, and to restore it.
Jesus is God.
Now, there's a simple solution for a simple mind. No thought required.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#466877 Oct 1, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
But you don't believe these.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlalpha.html
Why not?
<quoted text>
Okay - but it still doesn't answer why you don't believe these texts like you do with the canon.
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>They are not the true scriptures. I'm sorry you've spent so much of your time on the rambling, false material.
I'm always going to err on the side of truth.
You don't have any truth.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466878 Oct 2, 2013
Liam R wrote:
<quoted text>
But the ONLY difference is that what you want to call "true" scripture was voted in by a committee.
We have to go by what Jesus said, and Jesus said in John 5:39:
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
duststorm

League City, TX

#466881 Oct 2, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, there's a simple solution for a simple mind. No thought required.
Don't be fooled by the simplicity of it, and don't be tripped up by the "authoritarian" tone of it.
There is such a thing as irrefutable truth. If something is bedrock truth, we should just meditate upon it, and let it percolate down into the innermost part of our being.

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