Why I’m no longer a Christian
duststorm

League City, TX

#456803 Apr 3, 2013
Hagen wrote:
Hi everyone. Trolls and real people.
I don't know where else to share, knowing I can't share with family and friends but here I go.
I found a lump two Mondays ago. Money dictates I had to wait until today to get it checked out.
The doctor didn't find one lump. He found three. With my family history, he ordered mammograms plus ultrasounds immediately. I told him I don't have any money like that (the price for one breast without US was 257) for two weeks (WITHOUT EATING), and even that was not the complete exam I needed.
3 out of 4 women (mom and aunts) had breast cancer.
I am scared.
I am scared that the tests that I have to get finance for will not be good (Odin be willing, I will get approved for moneys.)
I am scared that I cannot afford to survive this.
Thanks to religious initiatives, I can't even get any help with mammos, cancer testing or any other further treatment that I may need thanks to Dean Heller's assault on womens' healthcare.
I told my doctor I had to wait two weeks to even test one breast. He told me, that's too long to wait.
I am sad. I am enraged. I have worked in the medical industry for 16 years and not only am I not provided benefits, I certainly can't afford them. And based on this history, family and familiar, I can't even share this information, lest I pull on the heart strings of friends and family unduly financially or emotionally compromising others. That is not even worth it to me.
I can only "pray" READ hope that if my kitty outlives me, he will be spoiled and pampered.
1. I'm sorry your husband the attorney has no money for your diagnostics.
2. I've never heard of not eating anything for two weeks.
3. You prayed, "Odin be willing"---is that a deity who actually has the power to heal you?
4. Now it's Dean Heller's fault? And who is Dean Heller?

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#456804 Apr 3, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>you're creepy
Wasn't talking to you Bozo! You're just as bizarre!

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#456805 Apr 3, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>GET SAVED! give up the gay thing
Delusional much T-Turd Bozo!

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#456806 Apr 3, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
so you don't believe what the Bible teaches....why are we even talking?
Apparently you don't either... you seem to contradict yourself quite a bit. Lie much?

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#456807 Apr 3, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU (liars) are the trespasser and I belong;)
Belong to what?
w- wierd
as - azz
up - un-intelligent pathomania sect?...

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#456808 Apr 3, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
<quoted text>
......
On another note....



Happy Birthday.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456812 Apr 4, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
so you don't believe what the Bible teaches....why are we even talking?
Everyone has been asking you the same questions.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456813 Apr 4, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text> The woman said,“I know that Messiah”(called Christ)“is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
26 Then Jesus declared,“I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
LOL once again high on crack caught in a whopper!!!!!!
The Jewish Messiah that Jesus and the rest of the Jews believed was NOT God.

That is pagan belief. Jesus would roll over in his ossuary to hear such nonsense.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#456814 Apr 4, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
I was responding to your comment of “usually responded something like "well, we know you aren't religious, but you believe in a god, right?...some sort of a god or higher power..." That is where I got stuck with my husbands thinking….for some time, <<blush>> My thinking was, ok he does not believe in God of the Bible or one of any other faith, so said to him “You have to believe in something….right?“. Answer,“No - why should I?” <<crickets chirp>>
I have to admit that I had a bit of a disconnect for a while on that one point.
Yeah, I get you. I've been atheist for 25 years now, and I had begun to suspect I didn't believe long before that, and told myself and others that "I don't think any of the religions are on point, and if there is a god, it's nothing like what we think we know".

Then one day it all clicked, and I went from being agnostic to atheist in the almost literal span of one second. Seriously. In retrospect, I realized I'd been atheist for longer than I knew, it was just hard to admit to myself that there was nothing in the deity department to believe, since I'd been believing there was for so long, and everyone I knew at that point also believed.

But that's me. I don't want all people to "become atheist", or, to "stamp out theism" etc... I've not raised my son as an atheist, but, I've not taught him to be theist, either. It's something that really just isn't an issue 'round here, in this place(home).

hahaa.. Regardless of how I may seem here on topix or other forums and such, I don't have "ATHEIST CENTRAL" blasted into the rock ridge above my house.

I think each parent should raise their child as they see fit.
NoStress4me wrote:
I am raising my Children the same…I hope it gives them a foundation that is built on confidence and care. I want them to examine their beliefs/thoughts/opinions and find themselves. I posted something in the past about this, will just highlight what I said. I believe in God due to my life, I trust that my children will be given the correct message in their life from God as individuals. To me it’s that simple.
I wrote out my experience to you simply to express that there are Christians that would welcome you into their home and hearts. Chances are you already know this, but it did upset me to read what you wrote <<points at heart on sleeve>> ;O)
I do, I have 5-6 friends, some of those - my siblings - that are atheist. Every other person in my family, friends or acquaintances are theists.

I'll add that many of those "theists" lean towards agnostic in many respects. They fully admit they don't think they can know, but "believe" anyway. Agnostic theists.
NoStress4me wrote:
I also wanted to make you aware that some simply do not understand your thinking….while it is ignorance on their part, I don’t think that every Christian that pulls back from you does so out of anger or distrust - just lack of understanding (I am not suggesting that it is right regardless).
Well, to be somewhat blunt, the bible - OT/NT - provides justification for just about any stance a believer might assume, and it seems they(not all) often skip the parts that seems most important if you're a believer.
NoStress4me wrote:
Since being in topix-land I do now understand that more do so out of anger and distrust than I realized. Mac posted a link here not to long ago that showed some Christian responses to an atheist billboard, it completely shocked me. I don’t understand the hate.
mmhhmm... The FOX news link where 8,000+ death or similarly oriented comments/threats were leveled at an atheist/atheists.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#456815 Apr 4, 2013
Artemis_Rising wrote:
<quoted text>
Goat tastes *gooooood!*
Indeed it does. Care for some moussaka ?
Huh

Fort Worth, TX

#456818 Apr 4, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>What the Bible is saying is that hell is forever. I just wrote it as millions and millions to change it up a little.
Yes, friends ... Pass the plate around, friends ... Join us, friends ...

There's an ugly little weasel 'bout three-foot nine
Face puffed up from cryin''n lyin'
'Cause her sweet little hubby's
Suckin' prong part time
(In the name of The Lord)
Get a clue, little shrew
Oh yeah, oh yeah
Jesus thinks you're a jerk
Would he really choose Tammy to do His Work? Unh-unh

Hallelujah!
(Yes, friends ...)
Robertson says that he's The One
Oh he sure is, if Armageddon
Is your idea of family fun,
An' he's got some planned for you!
(Now, tell me that ain't true)

Give me that old time religion!

Now, what if Jimbo's slightly gay,
Will Pat let Jimbo get away?
Everything we've heard him say
Indicates that Jim must pay,
(And it just might hurt a bit) Just a bit!
But keep that money rollin' in,
'Cause Pat and naughty Jimbo
Can't get enough of it (let's dance!)

Perhaps it's their idea
Of an Affirmative Action Plan
To give White Trash a 'special break';
Well, they took those Jeezo-bucks and ran
To the bank! To the bank! To the bank! To the bank!
And every night we can hear them thank
Their Buddy, up above
For sending down his love
(While you all smell the glove)

Jim and Pat should take a pole
(Right up each saintly glory-hole),
With tar and feathers too --
Just like they'd love to do to you
('Cause they think you are bad --
Yes, they do!
And they are very mad)
'Cause some folks don't want prayer in school!
(We'd need an ark to survive the drool
Of Micro-publicans, raised on hate,
And 'Jimbo-Jumbo' when they graduate)

Convinced they are 'The Chosen Ones'--
And all their parents carry guns,
(Hey, look! Godzilla!)
And hold them cards in the N.R.A.
(Ah, hellfire, Melvin, hey hee!)
(With their fingers on the trigger
("It's hot.")
When they kneel and pray)
("I mean that ... ")

With a Ku-Klux muu-muu
In the back of the truck,
If you ain't Born Again,
They wanna mess you up, screamin':
"No abortion, no-siree!"
"Life's too precious, can't you see!"
(What's that hangin' from a neighbor's tree?
Why, it looks like 'colored folks' to me --
Would THEY do THAT ...
They've been doin' it for years!
Seriously?)

Imagine if you will,
A multi-millionaire TV Evangelist,
Saved from Korean Combat duty by his father, a U.S. Senator
Studied law --
But is not qualified to practice it
Father of a "love child"
Who, in adulthood, hosts the remnants
Of papa's religious propaganda program
Claims not to be a "Faith Healer,"
But has, in the past,
Dealt sternly with everything from hemorrhoids to hurricanes
Involved with funding for an 'undeclared war' in Central America
Claiming Ronald Reagan and Oliver North as close friends
Involved in suspicous 'tax-avoidance schemes',
(Under investigation for 16 months by the I.R.S.)
Claims to be a MAN OF GOD;
Currently seeking the United States Presidency,
Hoping we will all follow him into --
The Twilight Zone

But, hey! What if Pat gets in the White House,
(No fuckin' way, Ike,
You know what I mean)
The rights of 'certain people' disappear
Mysteriously?
Now, wouldn't that sort of qualify
As an American Tragedy?
(Especially if they cover it up, sayin'
"Jesus told it to me!")
(I mean vapor tight, we're like this, okay?
I mean that)
I hope we never see that day,
(I mean that. Right here. It's hot. It's hot.)
In The Land of The Free --
Or someday will we?
(92?)
Will we?
(96?)

And if you don't know by now,
The truth of what I'm tellin' you,
Then, surely I have failed somehow --
Surely I have failed somehow
Surely I have failed somehow
And Jesus will think I'm a jerk, just like you --
If you let those TV Preachers
Make a monkey out of you!
I said: "Jesus will think you're a jerk"
And it would be true!

There's an old cross just burnin' on the lawn - FZ
razz58

Lansing, IL

#456819 Apr 4, 2013
Hagen wrote:
Hi everyone. Trolls and real people.
I don't know where else to share, knowing I can't share with family and friends but here I go.
I found a lump two Mondays ago. Money dictates I had to wait until today to get it checked out.
The doctor didn't find one lump. He found three. With my family history, he ordered mammograms plus ultrasounds immediately. I told him I don't have any money like that (the price for one breast without US was 257) for two weeks (WITHOUT EATING), and even that was not the complete exam I needed.
3 out of 4 women (mom and aunts) had breast cancer.
I am scared.
I am scared that the tests that I have to get finance for will not be good (Odin be willing, I will get approved for moneys.)
I am scared that I cannot afford to survive this.
Thanks to religious initiatives, I can't even get any help with mammos, cancer testing or any other further treatment that I may need thanks to Dean Heller's assault on womens' healthcare.
I told my doctor I had to wait two weeks to even test one breast. He told me, that's too long to wait.
I am sad. I am enraged. I have worked in the medical industry for 16 years and not only am I not provided benefits, I certainly can't afford them. And based on this history, family and familiar, I can't even share this information, lest I pull on the heart strings of friends and family unduly financially or emotionally compromising others. That is not even worth it to me.
I can only "pray" READ hope that if my kitty outlives me, he will be spoiled and pampered.
I'm so sorry Hagen.
I've always adored/admired you from afar.....
May 'good' news be in your future.
Let's Hope!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#456820 Apr 4, 2013
Hey, I missed it!!

Yesterday was the anniversary - Happy Fundie Knife Fight Day!!!!!
Huh

Candler, NC

#456821 Apr 4, 2013
And... I'm gay!
Huh

Candler, NC

#456822 Apr 4, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, I get you. I've been atheist for 25 years now, and I had begun to suspect I didn't believe long before that, and told myself and others that "I don't think any of the religions are on point, and if there is a god, it's nothing like what we think we know".
Then one day it all clicked, and I went from being agnostic to atheist in the almost literal span of one second. Seriously. In retrospect, I realized I'd been atheist for longer than I knew, it was just hard to admit to myself that there was nothing in the deity department to believe, since I'd been believing there was for so long, and everyone I knew at that point also believed.
But that's me. I don't want all people to "become atheist", or, to "stamp out theism" etc... I've not raised my son as an atheist, but, I've not taught him to be theist, either. It's something that really just isn't an issue 'round here, in this place(home).
hahaa.. Regardless of how I may seem here on topix or other forums and such, I don't have "ATHEIST CENTRAL" blasted into the rock ridge above my house.
I think each parent should raise their child as they see fit.
<quoted text> I do, I have 5-6 friends, some of those - my siblings - that are atheist. Every other person in my family, friends or acquaintances are theists.
I'll add that many of those "theists" lean towards agnostic in many respects. They fully admit they don't think they can know, but "believe" anyway. Agnostic theists.
<quoted text>
Well, to be somewhat blunt, the bible - OT/NT - provides justification for just about any stance a believer might assume, and it seems they(not all) often skip the parts that seems most important if you're a believer.
<quoted text> mmhhmm... The FOX news link where 8,000+ death or similarly oriented comments/threats were leveled at an atheist/atheists.
Thanks for the nap.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#456823 Apr 4, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
Hey, I missed it!!
Yesterday was the anniversary - Happy Fundie Knife Fight Day!!!!!
What?
Huh

Candler, NC

#456824 Apr 4, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, friends ... Pass the plate around, friends ... Join us, friends ...
There's an ugly little weasel 'bout three-foot nine
Face puffed up from cryin''n lyin'
'Cause her sweet little hubby's
Suckin' prong part time
(In the name of The Lord)
Get a clue, little shrew
Oh yeah, oh yeah
Jesus thinks you're a jerk
Would he really choose Tammy to do His Work? Unh-unh
Hallelujah!
(Yes, friends ...)
Robertson says that he's The One
Oh he sure is, if Armageddon
Is your idea of family fun,
An' he's got some planned for you!
(Now, tell me that ain't true)
Give me that old time religion!
Now, what if Jimbo's slightly gay,
Will Pat let Jimbo get away?
Everything we've heard him say
Indicates that Jim must pay,
(And it just might hurt a bit) Just a bit!
But keep that money rollin' in,
'Cause Pat and naughty Jimbo
Can't get enough of it (let's dance!)
Perhaps it's their idea
Of an Affirmative Action Plan
To give White Trash a 'special break';
Well, they took those Jeezo-bucks and ran
To the bank! To the bank! To the bank! To the bank!
And every night we can hear them thank
Their Buddy, up above
For sending down his love
(While you all smell the glove)
Jim and Pat should take a pole
(Right up each saintly glory-hole),
With tar and feathers too --
Just like they'd love to do to you
('Cause they think you are bad --
Yes, they do!
And they are very mad)
'Cause some folks don't want prayer in school!
(We'd need an ark to survive the drool
Of Micro-publicans, raised on hate,
And 'Jimbo-Jumbo' when they graduate)
Convinced they are 'The Chosen Ones'--
And all their parents carry guns,
(Hey, look! Godzilla!)
And hold them cards in the N.R.A.
(Ah, hellfire, Melvin, hey hee!)
(With their fingers on the trigger
("It's hot.")
When they kneel and pray)
("I mean that ... ")
With a Ku-Klux muu-muu
In the back of the truck,
If you ain't Born Again,
They wanna mess you up, screamin':
"No abortion, no-siree!"
"Life's too precious, can't you see!"
(What's that hangin' from a neighbor's tree?
Why, it looks like 'colored folks' to me --
Would THEY do THAT ...
They've been doin' it for years!
Seriously?)
Imagine if you will,
A multi-millionaire TV Evangelist,
Saved from Korean Combat duty by his father, a U.S. Senator
Studied law --
But is not qualified to practice it
Father of a "love child"
Who, in adulthood, hosts the remnants
Of papa's religious propaganda program
Claims not to be a "Faith Healer,"
But has, in the past,
Dealt sternly with everything from hemorrhoids to hurricanes
Involved with funding for an 'undeclared war' in Central America
Claiming Ronald Reagan and Oliver North as close friends
Involved in suspicous 'tax-avoidance schemes',
(Under investigation for 16 months by the I.R.S.)
Claims to be a MAN OF GOD;
Currently seeking the United States Presidency,
Hoping we will all follow him into --
The Twilight Zone
But, hey! What if Pat gets in the White House,
(No fuckin' way, Ike,
You know what I mean)
The rights of 'certain people' disappear
Mysteriously?
Now, wouldn't that sort of qualify
As an American Tragedy?
(Especially if they cover it up, sayin'
"Jesus told it to me!")
(I mean vapor tight, we're like this, okay?
I mean that)
I hope we never see that day,
(I mean that. Right here. It's hot. It's hot.)
In The Land of The Free --
Or someday will we?
(92?)
Will we?
(96?)
And if you don't know by now,
The truth of what I'm tellin' you,
Then, surely I have failed somehow --
Surely I have failed somehow
Surely I have failed somehow
And Jesus will think I'm a jerk, just like you --
If you let those TV Preachers
Make a monkey out of you!
I said: "Jesus will think you're a jerk"
And it would be true!
There's an old cross just burnin' on the lawn - FZ
Sorry. My dad have me some hallucinogenic 'shrooms. I saw some shit. Why is my ass so sore?
Huh

Candler, NC

#456825 Apr 4, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, friends ... Pass the plate around, friends ... Join us, friends ...
There's an ugly little weasel 'bout three-foot nine
Face puffed up from cryin''n lyin'
'Cause her sweet little hubby's
Suckin' prong part time
(In the name of The Lord)
Get a clue, little shrew
Oh yeah, oh yeah
Jesus thinks you're a jerk
Would he really choose Tammy to do His Work? Unh-unh
Hallelujah!
(Yes, friends ...)
Robertson says that he's The One
Oh he sure is, if Armageddon
Is your idea of family fun,
An' he's got some planned for you!
(Now, tell me that ain't true)
Give me that old time religion!
Now, what if Jimbo's slightly gay,
Will Pat let Jimbo get away?
Everything we've heard him say
Indicates that Jim must pay,
(And it just might hurt a bit) Just a bit!
But keep that money rollin' in,
'Cause Pat and naughty Jimbo
Can't get enough of it (let's dance!)
Perhaps it's their idea
Of an Affirmative Action Plan
To give White Trash a 'special break';
Well, they took those Jeezo-bucks and ran
To the bank! To the bank! To the bank! To the bank!
And every night we can hear them thank
Their Buddy, up above
For sending down his love
(While you all smell the glove)
Jim and Pat should take a pole
(Right up each saintly glory-hole),
With tar and feathers too --
Just like they'd love to do to you
('Cause they think you are bad --
Yes, they do!
And they are very mad)
'Cause some folks don't want prayer in school!
(We'd need an ark to survive the drool
Of Micro-publicans, raised on hate,
And 'Jimbo-Jumbo' when they graduate)
Convinced they are 'The Chosen Ones'--
And all their parents carry guns,
(Hey, look! Godzilla!)
And hold them cards in the N.R.A.
(Ah, hellfire, Melvin, hey hee!)
(With their fingers on the trigger
("It's hot.")
When they kneel and pray)
("I mean that ... ")
With a Ku-Klux muu-muu
In the back of the truck,
If you ain't Born Again,
They wanna mess you up, screamin':
"No abortion, no-siree!"
"Life's too precious, can't you see!"
(What's that hangin' from a neighbor's tree?
Why, it looks like 'colored folks' to me --
Would THEY do THAT ...
They've been doin' it for years!
Seriously?)
Imagine if you will,
A multi-millionaire TV Evangelist,
Saved from Korean Combat duty by his father, a U.S. Senator
Studied law --
But is not qualified to practice it
Father of a "love child"
Who, in adulthood, hosts the remnants
Of papa's religious propaganda program
Claims not to be a "Faith Healer,"
But has, in the past,
Dealt sternly with everything from hemorrhoids to hurricanes
Involved with funding for an 'undeclared war' in Central America
Claiming Ronald Reagan and Oliver North as close friends
Involved in suspicous 'tax-avoidance schemes',
(Under investigation for 16 months by the I.R.S.)
Claims to be a MAN OF GOD;
Currently seeking the United States Presidency,
Hoping we will all follow him into --
The Twilight Zone
But, hey! What if Pat gets in the White House,
(No fuckin' way, Ike,
You know what I mean)
The rights of 'certain people' disappear
Mysteriously?
Now, wouldn't that sort of qualify
As an American Tragedy?
(Especially if they cover it up, sayin'
"Jesus told it to me!")
(I mean vapor tight, we're like this, okay?
I mean that)
I hope we never see that day,
(I mean that. Right here. It's hot. It's hot.)
In The Land of The Free --
Or someday will we?
(92?)
Will we?
(96?)
And if you don't know by now,
The truth of what I'm tellin' you,
Then, surely I have failed somehow --
Surely I have failed somehow
Surely I have failed somehow
And Jesus will think I'm a jerk, just like you --
If you let those TV Preachers
Make a monkey out of you!
I said: "Jesus will think you're a jerk"
And it would be true!
There's an old cross just burnin' on the lawn - FZ
Snorefest. Sorry. I was stoned last night.
Paul Harvey

Los Angeles, CA

#456826 Apr 4, 2013
Page two...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#456827 Apr 4, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
<quoted text>
What?
Oh, a couple of True Believers© got into some doctrinal disagreements.

It was fun to watch.

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