Why I’m no longer a Christian
Huh

Los Angeles, CA

#455061 Mar 26, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Thanks.
I'll make a note, and repeat myself.
The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are anonymous third person narratives. They do not claim to be authored by those whom you mention, nor do they claim to be witnesses to the accounts that they describe.
You did not get that from the source. You get your claim from Irenaeus at the end of the second century, having no idea who had actually written them, but these four, among dozens of gospels, served his purpose.
Perhaps you should consider reading each one of them carefully, rather than listening to lying preachers.
Yes! Listen to this strange man in this obscure, back-water chatroom.

He's been a fake Hebrew scholar for seven whole years!

Google's finest!
Huh

Los Angeles, CA

#455062 Mar 26, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Creepy Stalker Christian
Fake Hebrew Scholar.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#455063 Mar 26, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks.
I'll make a note, and repeat myself.
The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are anonymous third person narratives. They do not claim to be authored by those whom you mention, nor do they claim to be witnesses to the accounts that they describe.
You did not get that from the source. You get your claim from Irenaeus at the end of the second century, having no idea who had actually written them, but these four, among dozens of gospels, served his purpose.
Perhaps you should consider reading each one of them carefully, rather than listening to lying preachers.
It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the Church is scattered throughout all the world, and the pillar and ground of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life; it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, the Artificer of all, He that sits upon the cherubim, and contains all things, He who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit.

-- Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:11:8

Superstition at work.
Huh

Los Angeles, CA

#455065 Mar 26, 2013
Losing ground...
Why Should Jesus Love Me?(Feb '08) 6 min G_O_D 492,349
Why I’m no longer a Christian (Jul '08) 1 min Huh 430,412
Prove there's a god.(Mar '08) 48 min River Tam 581,566

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#455066 Mar 26, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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It is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the Church is scattered throughout all the world, and the pillar and ground of the Church is the Gospel and the spirit of life; it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh. From which fact, it is evident that the Word, the Artificer of all, He that sits upon the cherubim, and contains all things, He who was manifested to men, has given us the Gospel under four aspects, but bound together by one Spirit.
-- Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:11:8
Superstition at work.
A religious doctrine based on magic numbers. LOL

Jesus must have been an accountant, not a carpenter.
Ooops. Another Christian invention. Jesus never worked a day in his life according to the Bible. A welfare bum in todays lingo.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#455067 Mar 26, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
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No. It doesn't count LOL
Oh. So this is my mid-life crisis, not teenage angst.

Thanks for clearing that up. LOL

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#455068 Mar 26, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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A religious doctrine based on magic numbers. LOL
Jesus must have been an accountant, not a carpenter.
Ooops. Another Christian invention. Jesus never worked a day in his life according to the Bible. A welfare bum in todays lingo.
Metzger says, probably correctly, that Irenaeus was justifying what had already been largely decided in the orthodox church rather than selecting based on those winds. Doesn't matter. Choosing based on the number of primary winds or justifying based on the number of winds, it's still just superstition at work -- magical numbers -- 3, 4, 7, 12. What a hoot.

In Luke, Jesus is said to have either 70 or 72 followers, depending on the manuscript. So why 12 disciples if he had 70 odd disciples? Because 12 is a magical number. And who were they? The canon is inconsistent. Apologists have to assume -- without any real evidence -- multiple names for some of them. And, of course, according to Acts, the Twelve picked a replacement for Judas from among the other followers to keep the number magical.

What a hoot.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#455070 Mar 26, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Metzger says, probably correctly, that Irenaeus was justifying what had already been largely decided in the orthodox church rather than selecting based on those winds. Doesn't matter. Choosing based on the number of primary winds or justifying based on the number of winds, it's still just superstition at work -- magical numbers -- 3, 4, 7, 12. What a hoot.
In Luke, Jesus is said to have either 70 or 72 followers, depending on the manuscript. So why 12 disciples if he had 70 odd disciples? Because 12 is a magical number. And who were they? The canon is inconsistent. Apologists have to assume -- without any real evidence -- multiple names for some of them. And, of course, according to Acts, the Twelve picked a replacement for Judas from among the other followers to keep the number magical.
What a hoot.
There is nothing magical........change your stupid thinking......go study with Jehovah's Witnesses and them come back here...
Huh

Los Angeles, CA

#455071 Mar 26, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Metzger says, probably correctly, that Irenaeus was justifying what had already been largely decided in the orthodox church rather than selecting based on those winds. Doesn't matter. Choosing based on the number of primary winds or justifying based on the number of winds, it's still just superstition at work -- magical numbers -- 3, 4, 7, 12. What a hoot.
In Luke, Jesus is said to have either 70 or 72 followers, depending on the manuscript. So why 12 disciples if he had 70 odd disciples? Because 12 is a magical number. And who were they? The canon is inconsistent. Apologists have to assume -- without any real evidence -- multiple names for some of them. And, of course, according to Acts, the Twelve picked a replacement for Judas from among the other followers to keep the number magical.
What a hoot.
Googlerrhea. Phew!

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#455072 Mar 26, 2013
Messanger wrote:
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There is nothing magical........change your stupid thinking......go study with Jehovah's Witnesses and them come back here...
Surely you have proof rather than just pejoratives, right, goofy?

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#455073 Mar 26, 2013
Huh wrote:
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Googlerrhea. Phew!
You may pretend anything you wish, goofy.

But, since you are lying, you cannot back it up.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#455074 Mar 26, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Metzger says, probably correctly, that Irenaeus was justifying what had already been largely decided in the orthodox church rather than selecting based on those winds. Doesn't matter. Choosing based on the number of primary winds or justifying based on the number of winds, it's still just superstition at work -- magical numbers -- 3, 4, 7, 12. What a hoot.
In Luke, Jesus is said to have either 70 or 72 followers, depending on the manuscript. So why 12 disciples if he had 70 odd disciples? Because 12 is a magical number. And who were they? The canon is inconsistent. Apologists have to assume -- without any real evidence -- multiple names for some of them. And, of course, according to Acts, the Twelve picked a replacement for Judas from among the other followers to keep the number magical.
What a hoot.
Agreed!
It is bizzare.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#455075 Mar 26, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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A religious doctrine based on magic numbers. LOL
Jesus must have been an accountant, not a carpenter.
Ooops. Another Christian invention. Jesus never worked a day in his life according to the Bible. A welfare bum in todays lingo.
Long before Jesus was around, Judaism had well established Numerology in the religion, of course, some being more pronounced within the doctrines than others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significance_of_...

I've studied and actually participated in different activities that have to do with Numerology - and IMO, it is very telling and an interesting "art" to say the least.

Numbers, like anything have known meanings, but many unknowns to the public eye. One would have to go physically look for the information, but it exists worldly and very accessible at public libraries and retail outlets.

To give a quick shout out to Numerology fans - here are some basic fundamentals:

1 - change - beginnings (or endings that show a new star), many 1s can indicated a 'pronounced change'
2 - sharing, helping - visualize two hands shaking - reunion
3 - group involvement - could also mean delays, but a future success
4 - manifestation of an idea
5 - lucky and unlucky change or challenges - material properity - spiritual poverty
6 - the ability to transcend difficulty - indicates adjustments in thoughts or attitudes
7 - a period of introspection and solitude
8 - positive character change (rarely diluted)
9 - situations nearing completion and a new journey awaits
10 = 1 - back to the beginning.
11 = 2
12 = 3
etc...

Cheers!

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#455076 Mar 26, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Analog audio recordings on a plastic substrate.
Commonly refered to as "records".
The sound quality is better than any digital media.
Too bad they're so subject to wear and tear, and scratches. But you can't beat the sound quality.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#455077 Mar 26, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Analog audio recordings on a plastic substrate.
Commonly refered to as "records".
The sound quality is better than any digital media.
Now many grooves are there on the standard 33 1/3 LP?

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#455078 Mar 26, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Those writings never once make that claim, anywhere. That is a claim of late second century proto-orthodox Christianity, with no supporting evidence.
Welcome to the dishonesty of Christianity.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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I HEREBY PROCLAIM THAT MATT MARK LUKE AND JOHN WERE WRITTEN BY MATT MARK LULE AND JOHN!
there - now you can't make your unfounded claims anymore:)
I HEREBY PROCLAIM THAT "DRACULA" WAS WRITTEN BY JONATHAN HARKER, MINA (MURRAY) HARKER, JOHN SEWARD, AND ABRAHAM VAN HELSING!!

There' now you can't make any unfounded claims, either.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#455079 Mar 26, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Agreed!
It is bizzare.
Truly.

In the superstitious world that antiquity was, it is understandable.

Relying on it in today's world is simply bizarre.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#455080 Mar 26, 2013
New Age wrote:
1 - change - beginnings (or endings that show a new star), many 1s can indicated a 'pronounced change'
2 - sharing, helping - visualize two hands shaking - reunion
3 - group involvement - could also mean delays, but a future success
4 - manifestation of an idea
5 - lucky and unlucky change or challenges - material properity - spiritual poverty
6 - the ability to transcend difficulty - indicates adjustments in thoughts or attitudes
7 - a period of introspection and solitude
8 - positive character change (rarely diluted)
9 - situations nearing completion and a new journey awaits
10 = 1 - back to the beginning.

....add an additional thought to this "cycle", one could also characterize the numbers, 1,2,3, etc as a step-by-step process of realizing theirself and a sort of a completion to each step.

1 - you begin
2 - encourage allies
3 - group involvement
4 - select ideas
5 - middle of the road is a challenged area to develop, but good things await if one succeeds
6 - you've shown the ability to "transcend difficulty"
7 - a positive role change for yourself is upon you
8 - it really shows now
9 - you've completed the journey, now you tackle the next step.
10 = 1 = back to the beginning.

Hmmmm.....you heard it first - here!

Best regards.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#455081 Mar 26, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Surely you have proof rather than just pejoratives, right, goofy?
I have it all, you have no life.......try to be an example, a leader, rather than a stupid fool, turd of nature that my dogs sniff???????...Your foolish words here have indicated to me that you are of very low intelligence.......when will you grow and take charge?????.....The world is bigger than both of us........do something with yourself......OR....just scumb around here forever.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#455082 Mar 26, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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No it isn't, dumbass. We used it in the Pagan community all the time. My Wiccan friends always say, "Merry meet, merry part, and blessed be."
You'll deny it, of course, or claim that Pagan cults that are older than your jesus cult stole it from you christians.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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EVERYONE & EVERYTHING takes parts of the Truth, perverts it and calls it their own.
So you admit that's what you christians do.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>now you know that when you say your nerdy lil trekkie-like sayings to your occult friends that you're actually saying Judeo/Christian things;)
And I predicted--or "prophesied", if you prefer--that you would deny what I tell you, and try to claim it as your own.

Thanks for proving me right yet again, dumbass.

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