Why I’m no longer a Christian

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#451301 Mar 10, 2013
Oneida Citizen wrote:
HIP why dont you finish the verse. You are only giving part of the verse. BoRN again is being born of the spirit, and that is discribed there. Why do use only parts of his word and not all of the verse? Is it to because you lie? You use only parts of his word to decieve ppl of the truth of his word..if you are going to quote him Please name book/chapter/verse so they see all of his word. Not just parts you want them to see for your own interests.
We give the reader of this thread the courtesy of assuming they own a Bible, and even have read some of it. Sadly, we are often proved wrong, most esp. with alleged "believers".

"Born-again" was never intended to be dogma. It was related as a private conversation between Jesus and an acolyte. It was never repeated in public. That itself demonstrates that it was intended as a lesson to the individual in regeneration of action and thought, NOT as a divine command for inclusion into salvation. In another instance, Jesus relates the parable of new vs old wineskins. It is a parallel teaching relating the same concept, that of shedding the old person and resolving to renew oneself, in body and spirit. Yet, we never hear anyone say one MUST become a new wineskin in order to receive salvation, do we?

The current "Born-again" movement arose out of reaction to the hedonistic 60's. It was popularized and broadened by convicted felon Chuck Colson of the Nixon cabal after his conversion in prison. It served a purpose for those revolted by their own previous behavior.

Since then it has achieved the level of doctrine amongst the self-loathing self-righteous as just another method of elevating themselves above the "unsaved heathen", inc. other professed Christians. So it is with all human endeavors - take something positive and turn it into a weapon.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#451302 Mar 10, 2013
Oneida Citizen wrote:
who would you rather believe....The worlds version of Logic or the word of God? seems to me God created reason, but it has been twisted by the gift of free thought. Your Logic is based on Science and things of this world,,,,Christians Logic is base on Heavenly truths.(GOD)
Faith and Logic are incompatible and contradictory terms. Only those ignorant of the concept of Faith confuse the two. This happens most often among Christian apologists.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#451303 Mar 10, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Faith and Logic are incompatible and contradictory terms. Only those ignorant of the concept of Faith confuse the two. This happens most often among Christian apologists.
"There is no such thing as a thinking creationist."

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#451304 Mar 10, 2013
Gut Stomper wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody reads your shit.
I just saw your name and hit reply to tell you that.
No control, now, huh?
A sense of irony is weak in this one, Obi-Wan.

;)@ Git Stimpy

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#451305 Mar 10, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>Clownie is really getting to ya huh X
I think so, he called you a bad name! Oh no... LMAO
Gut Stomper

United States

#451306 Mar 10, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>A sense of irony is weak in this one, Obi-Wan.
;)@ Git Stimpy
Just saw your name and hit reply to tell you that you suck.

STOMP!
Oneida Citizen

Yorkville, NY

#451307 Mar 10, 2013
I can't argue with you that there are some very bad (so-called chrisitans) that make the true believer that loves and OBEYS God/Christ look bad . But you cant judge all to be that way,,they are few and far between. If you dont want to believe thats is your choice but why try to destroy his holy word and his followers? Your obviously blessed with intelligence, so what drives you to this? Focus your energy on something that will do some good not destroy. How does a Christian hurt you? How has christ ever hurt you? There are so many other things you could do for ppl or society with your brains then try to destroy a persons faith. In alot of cases that is all they have, when you take that away they have nothing. IS this what you want? I dont think so. USE your intelligence that God gave you for good...not this.
You dont see true christian/believers breaking laws, violent crime, you see them being a good part of society. Guided by the holy word (as they believe in him) Go after what is evil in the world and you will then truly be doing good for all of us. believer and non-believer. theres enough evil out there to challenge, Are you up for that? Christians are a easy target. God bless you have a good day
Gut Stomper

United States

#451308 Mar 10, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>you totaly stomped the chump LOL
It was a very nice stomping.
Mud galore.
duststorm

League City, TX

#451309 Mar 10, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
I missed that.
The nut was actually citing a Chick Tract?
Whadda hoot.
Chick tracts are the best.
duststorm

League City, TX

#451310 Mar 10, 2013
Oneida Citizen wrote:
HIP why dont you finish the verse. You are only giving part of the verse. BoRN again is being born of the spirit, and that is discribed there. Why do use only parts of his word and not all of the verse? Is it to because you lie? You use only parts of his word to decieve ppl of the truth of his word..if you are going to quote him Please name book/chapter/verse so they see all of his word. Not just parts you want them to see for your own interests.
Hello Oneida, The people who are deceived on this thread number about a dozen. There were others, WIP, Micah, Dearth of Couth, but they all died in their sins and are being tortured in the flames at this moment.
There was one who kicked the bucket, Xcentrik by name, but he came back to life and walks among us.
duststorm

League City, TX

#451311 Mar 10, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously Matthew has the Jewish characters in his fiction speaking Greek to each other. Absolutely ludicrous.
This isn't an off-Broadway play that you are critiquing.

It's the Bible, and the Messiah is answering a seeker of the truth.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#451312 Mar 10, 2013
Oneida Citizen wrote:
who would you rather believe....The worlds version of Logic or the word of God? seems to me God created reason, but it has been twisted by the gift of free thought. Your Logic is based on Science and things of this world,,,,Christians Logic is base on Heavenly truths.(GOD)
If there were a specific god-being to believe in we'd all be in harmony. As it is, there are many christian religions (over 38,000) that all claim their god-being is "the one" correct one.
Which god-being is the correct one? Yours I'd guess?
How convienient for you....
Henry

Lichtenstein, Germany

#451313 Mar 10, 2013
Breaveheart wrote:
Because Jesus Christ cares....because He cared about me and I now know the life and hope he brought me I share my faith...
It is our first commision as christians to reconcile man to God...
We do this because we value love and being loved...
To love is noble and to touch lives is a quest to the end!!
I love you although you might not love me back!!
Jesus loved us first so that we can go and love others...
This has nothing to do with education, wealth, status, race what ever it has all to do with being loved...
The Father your Creator wants your heart through His Son Jesus Christ....
And whats wrong with that!! He loves you my brother of another mother!!
Jesus is dead 2000 years ago, thats a fact!

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#451314 Mar 10, 2013
A nice hymn for a rainy Sunday morning

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#451315 Mar 10, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
This isn't an off-Broadway play that you are critiquing.
It's the Bible, and the Messiah is answering a seeker of the truth.
Oh, it is the Bible, but it's definitely an off-Judean production.

Or did you think Jews spoke Greek in Jerusalem?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#451316 Mar 10, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello Oneida, The people who are deceived on this thread number about a dozen. There were others, WIP, Micah, Dearth of Couth, but they all died in their sins and are being tortured in the flames at this moment.
dusty needs a towel to wipe off.....

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#451318 Mar 10, 2013
Gut Stomper wrote:
<quoted text>
Just saw your name and hit reply to tell you that you suck.
STOMP!
Witness the peace of Jesus manifest in the believer.....
duststorm

League City, TX

#451319 Mar 10, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, it is the Bible, but it's definitely an off-Judean production.
Or did you think Jews spoke Greek in Jerusalem?
Do you think it is your job to refute the Bible?
Have you enjoined the whack-a-fundie battle?

Joshua 11:20 For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts...that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour...
duststorm

League City, TX

#451320 Mar 10, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, it is the Bible, but it's definitely an off-Judean production.
Or did you think Jews spoke Greek in Jerusalem?
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
...because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another,...
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
duststorm

League City, TX

#451321 Mar 10, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Jesus is dead 2000 years ago, thats a fact!
That's a fact! Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday, 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb.

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