Why I’m no longer a Christian

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#442817 Feb 8, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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http://www.meetup.com/cfi-shep/pages/Famous_A...
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that has ever existed?"
- John Adams, Letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816
"The way to see by Faith, is to shut the eye of Reason."
-Benjamin Franklin
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
-Thomas Jefferson, in a Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man".
-Thomas Jefferson
"Whence arose all the horrid assassinations of whole nations of men, women, and infants, with which the Bible is filled; and the bloody persecutions, and tortures unto death, and religious wars, that since that time have laid Europe in blood and ashes; whence arose they, but from the impious thing called religion, and this monstrous belief that God has spoken to man?"
-Thomas Paine
Interesting note:
"To Paine belongs the honor of naming our country the United States of America. He was the first to use the name in print, and it was his own creation."
I never knew that. And he is seldom mentioned, because of his writings on religion.
Good stuff!!!!!

Thanks!!!!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#442818 Feb 8, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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A fool's babble.
U B talking bout that well hung fella called Clownie, the crowd pleaser?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#442819 Feb 8, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
“However, Einstein's God was not the God of most other men. When he wrote of religion, as he often did in middle and later life, he tended to adopt the belief of Alice's Red Queen that "words mean what you want them to mean," and to clothe with different names what to more ordinary mortals — and to most Jews — looked like a variant of simple agnosticism. Replying in 1929 to a cabled inquiry from Rabbi Goldstein of New York, he said that he believed "in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exist, not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of men." And it is claimed that years later, asked by Ben-Gurion whether he believed in God, "even he, with his great formula about energy and mass, agreed that there must be something behind the energy." No doubt. But much of Einstein's writing gives the impression of belief in a God even more intangible and impersonal than a celestial machine minder, running the universe with indisputable authority and expert touch. Instead, Einstein's God appears as the physical world itself, with its infinitely marvelous structure operating at atomic level with the beauty of a craftsman's wristwatch, and at stellar level with the majesty of a massive cyclotron. This was belief enough. It grew early and rooted deep. Only later was it dignified by the title of cosmic religion, a phrase which gave plausible respectability to the views of a man who did not believe in a life after death and who felt that if virtue paid off in the earthly one, then this was the result of cause and effect rather than celestial reward. Einstein's God thus stood for an orderly system obeying rules which could be discovered by those who at the courage, imagination, and persistence to go on searching for them. It was to this past which he began to turn his mind soon after the age of twelve. The rest of his life everything else was to seem almost trivial by comparison.”
Ronald W. Clark, Einstein: The Life and Times, New York: World Publishing, 1971, pp. 19-20.
Which by Christian standards makes him an atheist, by Jewish standards a Jew and by Spinoza's standard, correct and intelligent.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#442820 Feb 8, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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She's right in her comment about 'beliefs' though, I mean, there is no way a Pagan will ever believe that a Pagan society ie. Rome, was where Christians got the idea to burn witches. Don't bother, actual facts never come into play here. Especially when it comes to bashing Christianity. Before Christianity came along there was no violence whatsoever in the world, right? Now that the world is working on eradicating Christianity and killing Christians, it's ever so much more peaceful right? Sure, sure.
<3
Maybe you're not, but I think what you're missing here is that Christianity often claims to hold an ultimate and deity inspired and given morality, a genuinely felt and compelling imperative to "do what's right, because I follow this god"...

What is so different about Christianity again?

The Christian deity and its followers don't appear to be any different than any other deity and the believers in that deity that's ever been. Sure, we're(the world, atheists, too) aware that burning people, killing people, and treating people badly has been around, figuratively, forever. Especially so since religion became more ingrained during the late Mesolithic to Neolithic periods.

BTW, In their early beginnings in Rome, Christians were known as pagans at one time, too. The Roman society at that time were considered the "real deity" worshipers, not pagan.

The more things change....

"When we say ... that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propose nothing new from what you believe about those you consider sons of Zeus."- Justin Martyr, First Apology 21.1 -100-165CE

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#442821 Feb 8, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Especially when it comes to bashing Christianity. Before Christianity came along there was no violence whatsoever in the world, right? Now that the world is working on eradicating Christianity and killing Christians, it's ever so much more peaceful right? Sure, sure.
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I can agree in part...there are times that it becomes a little one sided on this thread...biased. What do you expect though...it is a thread titled "Why I Am No Longer A Christian"? Of course you will hear things that you don't agree with...we didn't agree with Christianity...it is what in the end caused us all to leave.

I have been a regular on WSJLM for years. Do you not think that thread is one sided...biased...in the other direction? I expect it...it is a thread about Christians. Simply because they are "Christians" does not mean that they can't bash others.

Some of them on that thread have stated...

Only Christians know how to love...
Only Christians know how to forgive...
Only Christians do kind things for others...
Only Christians do this or that...

I was called a demoniac once...based on nothing more than I was too nice...I must be the anti-Christ that came to influence others away from their beliefs.

Would you call that bashing...one sided...biased.

It goes both ways JL...we just have a tendency to only see the other side doing the bashing.

Every Christian should realize that when they enter a thread such as this...they will hear things that they don't like. Same in reverse...if I am on a thread that is Christian based...I will hear things that make my eyes cross.

It is to be expected.

Who knows...maybe one day...we will all sit around the camp fire telling ghost stories and singing songs...not going to happen though on a thread called...WINLAC.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#442822 Feb 8, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Oops...again.
Christians prove the immorality of their own religion on a regular basis. If it's not committing attrocities against humanity, it's turning a blind eye to the attrocities committed by the adherents, then claiming that they are being persecuted.
I'm glad we get to watch.
It often occurs to me that for the most part, just letting Christians post and observing that may likely be the most potent weapon against Christianity.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#442823 Feb 8, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>U B talking bout that well hung fella called Clownie, the crowd pleaser?
A simpleton's piffle.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#442824 Feb 8, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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It often occurs to me that for the most part, just letting Christians post and observing that may likely be the most potent weapon against Christianity.
Truly.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#442826 Feb 8, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you're not, but I think what you're missing here is that Christianity often claims to hold an ultimate and deity inspired and given morality, a genuinely felt and compelling imperative to "do what's right, because I follow this god"...
What is so different about Christianity again?
The Christian deity and its followers don't appear to be any different than any other deity and the believers in that deity that's ever been. Sure, we're(the world, atheists, too) aware that burning people, killing people, and treating people badly has been around, figuratively, forever. Especially so since religion became more ingrained during the late Mesolithic to Neolithic periods.
BTW, In their early beginnings in Rome, Christians were known as pagans at one time, too. The Roman society at that time were considered the "real deity" worshipers, not pagan.
The more things change....
"When we say ... that he, Jesus Christ, our teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propose nothing new from what you believe about those you consider sons of Zeus."- Justin Martyr, First Apology 21.1 -100-165CE
Exactly!

Thanks!
Knowledge

United States

#442827 Feb 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Exactly!
Thanks!
I have been thinking about lots of things... If memory serves me well, do you have four degrees? I just wondered where you got your information about God/the bible. I believe you told me that you studied somewhere and that is what made you get a more thorough understanding of things. There are some things I need to find out for myself, and I would appreciate your answer, if you don't think it would cause a bunch of negativity on here.

“Call me Walter”

Since: Nov 10

Dyersburg, TN

#442828 Feb 8, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Education.
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And once again you prove our point. Keep it up, Mahmoud; you are your religion's worst enemy.
Somebody called for a flashlight???

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#442829 Feb 8, 2013
Gut Stomper wrote:
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"Topix is the slimiest forum site on the internet, bar none. The CEO Chris Tolles doesn't care, as long as he makes money hand over fists and avoids jail. Topix used to have fairly robust moderation and a comprehensive ToS, but now there is zero moderation and the terms of service have been reduced to 'we're not responsible for anything, if you don't like it, leave'. Topix should be shut down and Chris Tolles should be facing criminal and civil charges."
Your prattle?
STOMPBOOK!
So you've been spanked repeatedly and you're angry.

Get over it, troll, or move on.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#442830 Feb 8, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
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I have been thinking about lots of things... If memory serves me well, do you have four degrees? I just wondered where you got your information about God/the bible. I believe you told me that you studied somewhere and that is what made you get a more thorough understanding of things. There are some things I need to find out for myself, and I would appreciate your answer, if you don't think it would cause a bunch of negativity on here.
A grey-boxer looking for answers on Topix.

**Guffaw**

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#442831 Feb 8, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
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I have been thinking about lots of things... If memory serves me well, do you have four degrees? I just wondered where you got your information about God/the bible. I believe you told me that you studied somewhere and that is what made you get a more thorough understanding of things. There are some things I need to find out for myself, and I would appreciate your answer, if you don't think it would cause a bunch of negativity on here.
Three degrees. The ones in history and anthropology help with these topics. As for religion and philosophy, I have investigated and studied them most of my life.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#442833 Feb 8, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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So you've been spanked repeatedly and you're angry.
Get over it, troll, or move on.
It depends on who is doing the spanking whether it induces anger or arrousal. LOL
Knowledge

United States

#442834 Feb 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Three degrees. The ones in history and anthropology help with these topics. As for religion and philosophy, I have investigated and studied them most of my life.
Okay, thanks.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#442836 Feb 8, 2013
Janitor Of The LORD wrote:
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"Christian" is a title or label, not an inheritance. Nowhere does God have His chosen congregated 96%, not in churches, and certainly not in locations. They are scattered throughout the world, inside and outside of the almighty church. After all, God's first people were the Jews. That is what Jesus explained in the wedding feast parable. That many that were invited, which would be those Christians by self-title only, were found unworthy and they had to search outside of the guests that attended, which is outside of the churches and denominations.
I could hang out with polar bears and call myself a polar bear because they accept me as one, but I would still be a human. I could put on a Army uniform and call myself a soldier, but the Army would not honor my claim. Such is that with many who call themselves Christians. They may carry that name, but it is of no value unless God chose them to be of His flock. Labels are a dime a dozen, and often as transparent and those who may wear it.
I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your keyboard

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#442837 Feb 8, 2013
Janitor Of The LORD wrote:
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"Christian" is a title or label, not an inheritance. Nowhere does God have His chosen congregated 96%, not in churches, and certainly not in locations. They are scattered throughout the world, inside and outside of the almighty church. After all, God's first people were the Jews. That is what Jesus explained in the wedding feast parable. That many that were invited, which would be those Christians by self-title only, were found unworthy and they had to search outside of the guests that attended, which is outside of the churches and denominations.
I could hang out with polar bears and call myself a polar bear because they accept me as one, but I would still be a human. I could put on a Army uniform and call myself a soldier, but the Army would not honor my claim. Such is that with many who call themselves Christians. They may carry that name, but it is of no value unless God chose them to be of His flock. Labels are a dime a dozen, and often as transparent and those who may wear it.
A Christian is someone who believes Jesus is the Christ, the messiah. Christians come in all forms: Orthodox to Gnostic; lascivious to stoic; Jew to Gentile.

I suppose one may add that a Christian actually practices some religious ritual, such as prayer, rather than merely believing but not participating in some fashion.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#442838 Feb 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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It depends on who is doing the spanking whether it induces anger or arrousal. LOL
No doubt.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#442839 Feb 8, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your keyboard
Idiocy is your stock in trade, fool.

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