Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#440734 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Since Luke/Acts is presented as a collection of "tales told" there would be nothing unusual about differing styles with in it. IMHO it lends more to the credibility of the author's preface in each book.
One might think that so, but Luke's author took the material and made it his own. Witness his transformation of Mark's crude Greek to the rather sophisticated prose presented in Luke.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#440735 Jan 31, 2013
Bigger Baby Jeebus wrote:
<quoted text>Chickenhawk. Sir, I have been in more places and seen more death and destruction, in human, precipitated by the warriors for God on both sides than you could ever even dream. I have carried the body parts of decimated comrades, never again to see Jose who loved them, because two factions were warring for their invisible sky daddy...and oil. You can blow it out your illiterate ass. There is no fear here, pal, just abject realism.
I would be willing to bet this person has never seen the direct results of such wars. I would be willing to bet they would not have picked up the pieces and buried them decently but if they were in such a situation, ran away praying rather than picking up the pieces of fallen comrades.

It doesn't take much to see into the 'soul' of a person when they damn you simply because you do not believe in THEM, not a God. It is never about a God. It is about THEM and THEM being believed. When they say you are insulting God, they mean themselves. They have no idea what or who God might be other than when looking in the mirror.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#440736 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
I like the way "redactor" is used. It isn't PC to call it fraud and forgery. <smile>
<quoted text>
Ehrman gets real technical in terms of defining and categorizing theft, fraud and forgery in the literature. And he calls it just that (when not using more technical terms) and points out that the ancient world took such matters very seriously. It's a good read:

http://www.amazon.com/Forgery-Counterforgery-...

X suggested it to me.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#440737 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Which he readily admits in his opening lines.
I admire his candor on that.
"Hey Theo! I have been hearing those stories, too. Here is a bunch of them that are being circulated here to show you that similar stories are being spread here as well."
Except he modified his sources at will. Otherwise, I'd agree.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#440738 Jan 31, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks 4 all that, mate.
Damper is the bushman's bread, so is quite easy to make. It was traditionally cooked over an open fire. However it can also be made in an oven, which is the way we usually made it.
http://www.food.com/recipe/australian-damper-...
This recipe shows both methods, so take your pick.
Thanks for the bread recipe, even though it was for NS. It sounds a lot like the Cattleman's bread I make, but the ingredients are slightly different. I usually go the whole-hog route on the Cattleman's bread and use two tablespoons of bacon drippings instead of cooking oil. Cattlemen would probably have had neither. If anything, they would have had bear grease or lard bought in some cattle town. But I guess that's neither here nor there, as the bread is a good rustic one that suffices with smoked meat or fish.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#440739 Jan 31, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
One might think that so, but Luke's author took the material and made it his own. Witness his transformation of Mark's crude Greek to the rather sophisticated prose presented in Luke.
I think he is just relating the local version of it, not rewriting it. We know that early Christianity was ripe wiht various "Jesus stories".
That is what many of these "investigators" don't seem to take into account. They appear to deal only with the canonical texts and forget that there were dozens of other traditions and hundreds of texts.

Thomas seems to be overlooked as an even earlier work from a tradition of "sayings gospels" (AKA 'Q') from which everyone borrowed for their narratives.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#440740 Jan 31, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>correction! As long you DON"T talk about sensitive issues. And, no i don't have weasel in my pocket just my Member. BWHHAHHAAAA
After reading your posts, I doubt seriously that your 'member' deserves a capital 'M'.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#440741 Jan 31, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>
*
Also look up English Grammar 101. It does not start with 'R U'. And yes, I'm a purist trying to save the English language from fools who mostly communicate by cell phone and have no real conversations, nor do they write in any intelligible literary form.
You and I think alike on this. I don't text message anymore. It was taking too long to capitalize, punctuate and spell correctly!

When I see a post where someone has not bothered to punctuate or capitalize I will just scroll on by. I gave up trying to figure out what they were trying to say.

I believe that some might refer to you and I as the grammar snobs. You know what I have to say about that...oh well!

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#440742 Jan 31, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>After reading your posts, I doubt seriously that your 'member' deserves a capital 'M'.
I am always a bit confused as to when men refer to their "Member" in their pocket...as if it is detachable...or and add-on that they pick up and stick in their pocket in case they need it...

I find it amusing that they call their penis a "Member"...member of what??? Social club??? Garden club??? Maybe...I don't know...I wonder though. Why in the world would they carry their penis in their pocket?

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#440743 Jan 31, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>
So you a soldier boy?
I got you going there MWHHAHAHAHHAAAA! Why you live in fantasy land fighting these Xtain coalition as US Military based its religion on the right wing Xtainity?
Let see how educated you are, test time baby jeebus! So calling me illiterate, let see how mjuch elite EducaMACated Fool you are... BWHAHAHAHAAA :)
The US fed had again invoked more rounds of this type of Macroeconomic warfare on US and world, what we call this economic instrument of WMD ?
Since war has existed ever since mankind has been on this earth, there is little to do about it but get on your knees and pray that you will be safe, or have those who are willing to die for you to stay safe.

While I do think that the commercialism of war is prolific in the US and other countries, I also think that we would have the same conditions in the US that those in the middle east have if not for those willing to keep it from being so. But people like you don't see that. You do not realize that even as I type this, Muslims are marching across this country bearing signs that demand only Muslim law instead of Constitutional law.

It may be mercenary, but the secular laws of this country are what have kept you from having to bow to the east 5 times a day or be killed.

I have conflicting emotions about all of it. I want world peace. I don't want wars so we can have energy while 1/3 of the world has none at all. Yet I still drive my car to the market and to see my family etc. with that same oil that we are fighting over. Conservative though I am with resources, I am still part of the problem by driving instead of walking the half hour it would take to see my children or grandchildren, or marketing only once a week instead of walking the 4 miles to the nearest market on a daily basis for my needs. None of us can say that we are not living on the largesse of our country by the wars over oil when we travel freely (without guilt), heat our homes freely, cook our meals freely and uses plastics and other oil based products freely.

We often forget that the machinery that supplies us clean water is at least partially the product of having oil products. We forget that the power we have to use in our homes, hospitals and government buildings is partially because of oil products.

It is people like you who blast the use of capitalism and want to determine what is 'bad' capitalism and what is 'good' capitalism that truly forgets that the plastics in your computer and keyboard are a product of that same oil of which wars have been waged. The heat you have in winter is the same. The fuel in your car is the same. Even your bicycle tires, the ink in your printer, putty, life jackets, paint, nylon rope, rubber cement, football helmets, toothbrushes, faucet washers, lubricants, eyeglasses, telephones/cell phones, electrical wire covering, cameras, Bandaids, surgical/medical equipment, and a very long list of other things is the result of the oil wars are waged upon. Yet you use these things without a thought. You probably don't even recycle that which can be used again. Then you stand back in your self-sanctimony and cry against the very thing you are utilizing.

So tell us again what 'good capitalism' is!

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#440744 Jan 31, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
i don't own one, but i think they're about 1 step up from the 'smart'/clown car.
do you believe that you're 'brilliant', at least too much so to believe in a Creator?:)
Do you believe that you're brilliant, at least too much so to doubt the existence of a creator?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#440745 Jan 31, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Except he modified his sources at will.
Not that that isn't possible but how do you know the stories weren;t that way when he recorded them.

Recall that much of this was oral transmission and those trying to document it would be recording the story tellers's tales. That is what 'Luke' said he was doing. What bias do you see in his opening for fabricating anything himself ?... and why bother when it was already done for you during the preceding decades ?

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#440746 Jan 31, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
hhhhhiiiii kait!:)
you know you my gurl;)
Creepy stalker Christian.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#440747 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Which he readily admits in his opening lines.
I admire his candor on that.
"Hey Theo! I have been hearing those stories, too. Here is a bunch of them that are being circulated here to show you that similar stories are being spread here as well."
Writing your own Bible again, G?

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#440748 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
I think he is just relating the local version of it, not rewriting it. We know that early Christianity was ripe wiht various "Jesus stories".
That is what many of these "investigators" don't seem to take into account. They appear to deal only with the canonical texts and forget that there were dozens of other traditions and hundreds of texts.
Thomas seems to be overlooked as an even earlier work from a tradition of "sayings gospels" (AKA 'Q') from which everyone borrowed for their narratives.
Well we know he copies directly from Mark when it suited him -- verbatim. He was aware of Mark. Matthew sometimes also copies the exact same words from Mark but then the two will depart from Mark's text in their own ways.

But just as significant, the writing style throughout Luke/Acts is Lukan. Whatever his earlier sources, he rewrote them and presented them in his own, unique style.

Also, some of the problems with the "we passages" are internal to the text where they lie. In Acts 16:10-38, "we" suddenly turns to "Paul and Silas" and "they" without explanation. The supposed author simply drops out of the narrative. Gone.

Replace "we" with "they" in that section of the text, and the problem disappears. The problem therefore appears to be that a redactor took the original use of "they", in some instances, and converted that 3rd person plural pronoun in those instances into the 1st person plural pronoun in a rather clumsy attempt to insert the author into the text.
duststorm

League City, TX

#440749 Jan 31, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> HEY! they provides a vital service ta the world y'know. What other good use could ya find fer gitt'n rid o' yer rotten maters an eggs..an have fun ta boot!
WN and AnnieJ will be correcting your pathetic attempts to channel Mark Twain.
duststorm

League City, TX

#440750 Jan 31, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Since war has existed ever since mankind has been on this earth, there is little to do about it but get on your knees and pray that you will be safe, or have those who are willing to die for you to stay safe.
While I do think that the commercialism of war is prolific in the US and other countries, I also think that we would have the same conditions in the US that those in the middle east have if not for those willing to keep it from being so. But people like you don't see that. You do not realize that even as I type this, Muslims are marching across this country bearing signs that demand only Muslim law instead of Constitutional law.
It may be mercenary, but the secular laws of this country are what have kept you from having to bow to the east 5 times a day or be killed.
I have conflicting emotions about all of it. I want world peace. I don't want wars so we can have energy while 1/3 of the world has none at all. Yet I still drive my car to the market and to see my family etc. with that same oil that we are fighting over. Conservative though I am with resources, I am still part of the problem by driving instead of walking the half hour it would take to see my children or grandchildren, or marketing only once a week instead of walking the 4 miles to the nearest market on a daily basis for my needs. None of us can say that we are not living on the largesse of our country by the wars over oil when we travel freely (without guilt), heat our homes freely, cook our meals freely and uses plastics and other oil based products freely.
We often forget that the machinery that supplies us clean water is at least partially the product of having oil products. We forget that the power we have to use in our homes, hospitals and government buildings is partially because of oil products.
It is people like you who blast the use of capitalism and want to determine what is 'bad' capitalism and what is 'good' capitalism that truly forgets that the plastics in your computer and keyboard are a product of that same oil of which wars have been waged. The heat you have in winter is the same. The fuel in your car is the same. Even your bicycle tires, the ink in your printer, putty, life jackets, paint, nylon rope, rubber cement, football helmets, toothbrushes, faucet washers, lubricants, eyeglasses, telephones/cell phones, electrical wire covering, cameras, Bandaids, surgical/medical equipment, and a very long list of other things is the result of the oil wars are waged upon. Yet you use these things without a thought. You probably don't even recycle that which can be used again. Then you stand back in your self-sanctimony and cry against the very thing you are utilizing.
So tell us again what 'good capitalism' is!
Time to post long.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#440751 Jan 31, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text> NOT A PUNK , YOU MEATHEAD , see title. I EXPECTED THE AD HOMINEM from you . So that means you are mentally challenged, so you refer me to another who have the knowledge that you don't have the knowledge to answer me , as your knowledge is limited by your knowlege, so you refering me a person with knowledge, it means you are mentally challenged BWHHAHAHHHAAH Don't get freaky on me, "You can smell me?" Get real! Can you smell through space and time? If you so knowledgeable why don't you explain how cog turn?
You can't buy me nor sell to me! i'm no one slave, now gtake BS and stuffed up your....
BWHHAHHAAHAHA Have a hiney melon! Hay i still love your witty responses to those religious nutcases, carry on, i won't bother your MO. No hard feeling , i hope?
:)
Passive-Agressive, illiterate desperation.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#440752 Jan 31, 2013
Wloclawek Warrior wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose that is why there are so many hindoo fakirs in the east, when you are right up watching and become entranced, things just seem to happen than when you are a ways off with a camera. The mind can play tricks on a person for sure. Does it then fall into the realm of science or jugglery? Are eastern jugglers using science or trickery?
All organized religions use trickery. Theism in and of itself is not a bad thing. It gives the hopeless something to hang onto. It does good in small ways. But when you are in the throes of religious indignation, you can't see the forest for the trees. Most often, you are in the wrong forest to begin with.
send me no wine

Lansdowne, PA

#440753 Jan 31, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I'm stickin' with the Sumerian/Akkadian bilngual writing period, 3rd to 4th millenium BCE.
One really wishes that those who speak in absolutes would just check before hitting "enter".
Yes, but I don't think that their cult allows them to outside of their circle.
They somehow try to squeeze in the concrete evidence of other ancient texts into their Iron Age scripts even though there are no existent Hebrew papyri prior to the septuagint.

Dam...it's all Greek to me...LOL

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