Why I’m no longer a Christian
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Upper Darby, PA

#440500 Jan 30, 2013
socci wrote:
Babylon and the Bible
by Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD
Two hundred years ago, scholars doubted whether Babylon ever existed. The only record could be found in the Bible. Critics used the story of Babylon, and what they called its "non-historic kings," to discount Scripture. However, Babylon was discovered and excavated in 1898.
We know today that Babylon was one of the first cities in the world, and founded by Nimrod, great-grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:9-10). Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets, while a massive head of Nimrod has been excavated near Calah on the Tigris River.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_arc...
Sumeria is located in the Land of Kish (Kush or Cush) founded by son of Noah's son Ham.
"Kish was occupied beginning in the Jemdet Nasr period (3100 BC), gaining prominence as one of the pre-eminent powers in the region during the early dynastic period.
The Sumerian king list states that it was the first city to have kings following the deluge, beginning with Jushur."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kish_%28Sumer%29
"Cush, son of Ham. The Empire of Kush to the south of Egypt is known from at least 1970 BC, but this name has also been associated by some with the Kassites who inhabited the Zagros area of Mesopotamia, the Sumerian city of Kish in the Land of Kish."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Noah#Ham...
"The Sumerian Kish, the first city established in Mesopotamia after the Flood, took its name from the man known in the Bible as Cush. The first kingdom established after the Flood was Kish, and the name "Kish" appears often on clay tablets. The early post-Flood Sumerian king lists say that "kingship descended from heaven to Kish" after the Flood."
continues:
http://davelivingston.com/nimrod.htm
http://www.noahs-ark.tv/noahs-ark-flood-creat...
Interesting.

You wrote that Ham, the son of Noah, founded the land of Sumer.
Could I safely then conclude that Noah and Ziusudra are one and the same?

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Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#440501 Jan 30, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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sweetheart, you couldn't be more correct!:)
i'm always trying to do whatever to have some objective dialogue around Christ. but, since Christ is Thee ultimate litmus test between Goodness & evil/truth & darkness, sometimes just my saying "hi" will bring the demons to the surface in some. truth is truly stranger than fiction in this respect and it never ceases to amaze me:)
regarding trying different approaches with the Gospel message, Jesus said; "we tried playing a joyfull tune & you would not dance, so we tried playing a funeral durge and you would not weep" (my paraphrase)
Thank you for your kind words...
Alas, I can only speak for me. My Avatar in itself speaks volumes, so I don't need to talk about it to non-believers, or judge anyone who doesn't want to know Jesus.(It works for me)
I find a few on this thread to be 'Brilliant'. Some,(X-lol)could quote the Bible quicker than I could look it up...:)

I have learned that if a person chooses not to believe in the Bible, then it is futile to even discuss it. When I do speak, I try to speak from the heart. Trust me, they know the difference

If the greatest gift or all is 'Love' then that's how Christians are to be, regardless of the what anyone does back to them... God will take it from there.

ps. Some of my 'best friends' are devout Atheists/Agnostics,(my father is an Atheist) and I love them all, maybe even more than my 'Prayer Warrior's... I am a work in progress, and I try to practice what I preach... Judge less you be judged...

pss. I would be happy to discuss current issues with you though. As, I am always open to learning something new... Lol
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Upper Darby, PA

#440502 Jan 30, 2013
socci wrote:
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GENESIS: oldest text on the planet
In recent years a much better insight into the origin of Genesis has emerged. As ancient Near Eastern libraries have been unearthed and their contents deciphered, many insights into biblical times have been gained. In particular, tablets from before the time of Moses in the area of Mesopotamia (where Abraham hailed from) were noted to frequently contain a colophon – a formula of sorts, at the close of the tablet. This is similar to modern customs of ending a letter with a formula like "Sincerely yours,(Name)".
Often these tablets were family records or king-lists giving the ancestry of a person. The Hebrew term for generations is toledoth. These tablets would contain a colophon describing who had written the tablet or whose history it recorded. Scholars recognized that these colophons were similar in structure to toledoth phrases in Genesis:
1) "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created." (Genesis 2:4)
2) "This is the book of the generations of Adam." (Genesis 5:1)
3) "These are the generations of Noah." (Genesis 6:9)
4) "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth." (Genesis 10:1)
5) "These are the generations of Shem." (Genesis 11:10)
6) "Now these are the generations of Terah." (Genesis 11:27)
7) "And these are the generations of Isaac, Abraham's son." (Genesis 25:19)
8) "This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmael." (Genesis 25:12)
9) "This is the account of Esau (that is, Edom)." (Genesis 36:1)
10) "These are the generations of Jacob." (Genesis 37:2)
The implication of these colophons in Genesis is that they separate Genesis into distinct source documents each dating from the period of the person named in them. These source documents were handed down from father to son until the time of Moses, when they were edited together to form the book of Genesis under divine inspiration. In almost every case the logical author for each document would be the person named in the colophon itself. The statements immediately following each colophon would be the beginning of the next tablet; for example, Genesis 2:4 reads "When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens…" beginning Adam’s story.
http://www.rae.org/FAQ09.htm
http://www.trueorigin.org/tablet.asp
http://www.dtl.org/bible/ng-post/gilgamesh.ht...
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/Toledoth.ht...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiseman_hypothes...
(video)
http://archive.org/details/WhoWroteTheBookOfG...
Genesis is the oldest text on the planet?

If one is to believe that then the planet is still geocentric.

What say you?

Since: Jul 08

New York, NY

#440503 Jan 30, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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You certainly fell apart quickly, Christian.
Ehrman's "Forgery" was a good recommendation. I found it a good read full of lots of info and persuasive arguments. A bit repetitive at times and at least one unpersuasive argument (the "we passages" in Acts), at least to me. Well worth the time spent on it.
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Upper Darby, PA

#440504 Jan 30, 2013
socci wrote:
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You are illiterate. That's your problem.
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You too.
back to original post:
• GENESIS: oldest text on the planet
www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVDFU98JOH...
You do know that there is no evidence of Hebrew writing prior to the 1st millenium BCE or at the earliest very late 2nd millenia BCE, aren't you?
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Upper Darby, PA

#440505 Jan 30, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Thank you for your kind words...
Alas, I can only speak for me. My Avatar in itself speaks volumes, so I don't need to talk about it to non-believers, or judge anyone who doesn't want to know Jesus.(It works for me)
I find a few on this thread to be 'Brilliant'. Some,(X-lol)could quote the Bible quicker than I could look it up...:)
I have learned that if a person chooses not to believe in the Bible, then it is futile to even discuss it. When I do speak, I try to speak from the heart. Trust me, they know the difference
If the greatest gift or all is 'Love' then that's how Christians are to be, regardless of the what anyone does back to them... God will take it from there.
ps. Some of my 'best friends' are devout Atheists/Agnostics,(my father is an Atheist) and I love them all, maybe even more than my 'Prayer Warrior's... I am a work in progress, and I try to practice what I preach... Judge less you be judged...
pss. I would be happy to discuss current issues with you though. As, I am always open to learning something new... Lol
Hi.

You wrote that if a person chooses not to believe in the bible then it is futile to even discuss it.

Are you familiar with the canonization of both the NT and OT?

For instance, why are there many Hebrew scriptual writings not included in the tanakh and why are there many scriptual christian writings not included in the tome one falsely labels "the new testament"?

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#440506 Jan 30, 2013
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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#440507 Jan 30, 2013
send me no wine wrote:
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Genesis is the oldest text on the planet?
If one is to believe that then the planet is still geocentric.
What say you?
Yes.

*sigh*

Ptolemaic minds in a Copernican world.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#440508 Jan 30, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for your kind words...
Alas, I can only speak for me. My Avatar in itself speaks volumes, so I don't need to talk about it to non-believers, or judge anyone who doesn't want to know Jesus.(It works for me)
I find a few on this thread to be 'Brilliant'. Some,(X-lol)could quote the Bible quicker than I could look it up...:)
I have learned that if a person chooses not to believe in the Bible, then it is futile to even discuss it. When I do speak, I try to speak from the heart. Trust me, they know the difference
If the greatest gift or all is 'Love' then that's how Christians are to be, regardless of the what anyone does back to them... God will take it from there.
ps. Some of my 'best friends' are devout Atheists/Agnostics,(my father is an Atheist) and I love them all, maybe even more than my 'Prayer Warrior's... I am a work in progress, and I try to practice what I preach... Judge less you be judged...
pss. I would be happy to discuss current issues with you though. As, I am always open to learning something new... Lol
sister - i can't argue a single word you said; i have said the same things. the only problem i have is that i love to discuss spiritual matters and it's much more interesting doing it with unbelievers than it is with believers. i like to be challenged and i like to mix it up......so sue me:)

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#440509 Jan 30, 2013
He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger for ever. He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us" (Psalm 103:9-12).

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#440510 Jan 30, 2013
send me no wine wrote:
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You do know that there is no evidence of Hebrew writing prior to the 1st millenium BCE or at the earliest very late 2nd millenia BCE, aren't you?
I'm stickin' with the Sumerian/Akkadian bilngual writing period, 3rd to 4th millenium BCE.

One really wishes that those who speak in absolutes would just check before hitting "enter".

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#440511 Jan 30, 2013
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:24).

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us" (Romans 8:1, 33, 34).

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Since: Mar 07

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#440512 Jan 30, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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you really don't need one. a PC nazi just has to enter a room and the smugness that eminates from them immediately gives them away;)
I see.

That certainly explains a lot.

Thanks.

Can I have a costume if I want one?

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#440513 Jan 30, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Ehrman's "Forgery" was a good recommendation. I found it a good read full of lots of info and persuasive arguments. A bit repetitive at times and at least one unpersuasive argument (the "we passages" in Acts), at least to me. Well worth the time spent on it.
If I remeber correctly, didn't he propose that the "we, inserts could have been intended to convince readers that the author had been a first generation pal of Paul's, to give authority to the writing?

'member, I read the mainstream book, not the one you read.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#440514 Jan 30, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Romans 3:24).
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us" (Romans 8:1, 33, 34).
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"[3]Be ye therefore kind to those other who come to dwell among ye, and affright them not, nor abuse them for their unbelief.[4] For it may come to be that ye may also travel amongst them, and be yourselves the unbelievers." - Ecc 1:4.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#440515 Jan 30, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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I am okay with not knowing anything.
You're very good at it

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#440516 Jan 30, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"[3]Be ye therefore kind to those other who come to dwell among ye, and affright them not, nor abuse them for their unbelief.[4] For it may come to be that ye may also travel amongst them, and be yourselves the unbelievers." - Ecc 1:4.
Mark 16:15

He said to them,“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#440517 Jan 30, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
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Mark 16:15
He said to them,“Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
He also said: "If they don't want it, wipe yer shoes and bugger off elsewhere."

Or something like that.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#440518 Jan 30, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"[3]Be ye therefore kind to those other who come to dwell among ye, and affright them not, nor abuse them for their unbelief.[4] For it may come to be that ye may also travel amongst them, and be yourselves the unbelievers." - Ecc 1:4.
Ecc 1-4 don't say that mac ... check and re-post

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#440519 Jan 30, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>He also said: "If they don't want it, wipe yer shoes and bugger off elsewhere."
Or something like that.
I can't get my shoe in my monitor

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