Why I’m no longer a Christian

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#437894 Jan 23, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>He knows you do not understand with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit, since you are not yet saved. So you read/study the Bible in the flesh, and are still lacking the wisdom and understanding which the Holy Spirit would provide you.
After you are born again, you will read it with different eyes and a different mind. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.
So I need the thing before I can have the thing? Lol. Okaaaay.

As it happens I've been-there-done-that. I was a born-again Christian. I honestly and earnestly asked Jesus to be my personal Lord and savior. That was before I had studied the Bible. As I started to take the Bible seriously, I saw it was flawed, and could not have been inspired by any deity.

Ex-born-agains are problematic for the Christian claim that God accepts everyone who honestly seeks it. Plenty of people do that, only to discover that it's all projection. And even if it were not projection, you still have alot of people who honestly sought a God who avoided and hid from them.

So the only real retort a Christian has is "you were never a *real* Christian". So what is a real Christian, and if honestly seeking God doesn't work, then what does?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#437895 Jan 23, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
i agree that the law and commandments are good, but if you're trusting in your ability to keep than rather than in the finished work of Christ on the cross; good luck with that!
"this is the work of God, that you believe on the One whom He sent" Jesus
I simply trust in the words of Christ

Matthew 19:16-17
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

And I know when I fail to be obedient I can always be forgiven by returning to what I have been taught and following the two greatest commandments.

Matthew 6:14-15
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Christ wanted us to be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect. But upon failing to do so we have Jesus Christ as an advocate for our sins so long as we remain in Him. We do that by obeying Him and remaining faithful. If that was not required what would separate us from unbelievers and then wouldn't everyone be saved? And I guarantee you won't find a single verse that says a believer will automatically obey or a believer will always endure. Some will and some won't. And we are warned repeatedly the consequences of those who don't

(T) Peace

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#437896 Jan 23, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>My lack of understanding of the Bible does not mean it is inconsistent. A few years ago, the tomb of Caiaphas was found in Jerusalem, proving the Bible's veracity on one more point.
The Bible is not wholly inaccurate. But that doesn't mean it's true either. The creation and flood myths, for example, are demonstrably false.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437898 Jan 23, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>thanks!!!
oh - so you get to be the good guy today?! j/k bro - lol:)

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#437899 Jan 23, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>My lack of understanding of the Bible does not mean it is inconsistent.
But it does make it absurd that you think you can speak for God as to who is condemned or who is saved. You don't see the blatant contradiction in the things you do while admitting you lack understanding in some areas? And while I admire your honesty on that point you ought to think more about what that says as to your ability to do what you do

(T) Peace

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#437900 Jan 23, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
So what...Atheism is older than christianity so by those standards Atheism wins by default.
LOL! Shazam!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#437901 Jan 23, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Amen. Repost this in the King James for full impact.
2 Timothy 4:1-5

King James Version (KJV)


4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#437902 Jan 23, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible is not wholly inaccurate. But that doesn't mean it's true either. The creation and flood myths, for example, are demonstrably false.
I believe the bible...
Huh

Garland, TX

#437903 Jan 23, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
His spelling's a hoot too. LOL.
Absolutely.
Huh

Garland, TX

#437904 Jan 23, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I believe the bible...
Of course you don't.
Huh

Garland, TX

#437905 Jan 23, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Your logic is that of a child's. Is every American responsible for slavery or wars entered into by the governemnt? Do they have any say in it or any control over it? The general population has more pedophiles than the priesthood per capita. Heck, teachers by far have more pedophile statistically as abusers often seek jobs of opportunity. Are all teachers responsible for those who have abused children because they are in the teacher's union? Any who participate or cover-up crimes ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But in no way is 99% of other church members guilty by association
And nobody is being forced to say anything in the example you gave of prayer so your comparison is faulty. Holding to tradition does not make one a robot if they do so willingly
You are letting either immaturity or emotion cloud your reasoning or simply don't have the tools to reason at a higher level. When that changes I will be willing to engage you more. Have a good day
(T) Peace
Yes, every American is responsible for the history of America. We live in a Representative Republic. We The People. I knew your veneer of feigned passivity would wash away.

Every Catholic that remains a Catholic owns the rapists. As an American, I own the history of this country, as do you.

Of course they are forced to say it, silly. Anyone who doesn't parrot in the church is looked down upon.

You were the first with the insults, superior Christian. Your defense of pedophilia by your continued association with the criminals who conspired to cover up these heinous crimes speaks volumes. You can pretend all you want to, it's what Christians do, but you aid and abet with your willfull participation. Without the adherents, your immoral church shrivels up and dies the ignominious death it deserves. You are a baby rapist by proxy.
Huh

Garland, TX

#437906 Jan 23, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
Sarah, you got me all wrong. other than renouncing Christ, what can i do to make things right witchu?:)
Go away.
Huh

Garland, TX

#437907 Jan 23, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
"Sarah"??? i llloooovvve that name! it was my grandmother's:)
It's not my name, nitwit, it is what I called you when you tried to put lipstick on your Christian pig.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#437908 Jan 23, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I simply trust in the words of Christ
Matthew 19:16-17
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
And I know when I fail to be obedient I can always be forgiven by returning to what I have been taught and following the two greatest commandments.
Matthew 6:14-15
"For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
Christ wanted us to be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect. But upon failing to do so we have Jesus Christ as an advocate for our sins so long as we remain in Him. We do that by obeying Him and remaining faithful. If that was not required what would separate us from unbelievers and then wouldn't everyone be saved? And I guarantee you won't find a single verse that says a believer will automatically obey or a believer will always endure. Some will and some won't. And we are warned repeatedly the consequences of those who don't
(T) Peace
are you roman/catholic? i left that cult when i became a Christian
Huh

Garland, TX

#437909 Jan 23, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
oh i was just mess'n around, huh. you hafta admit that guy is way out there.....;)
Nope. You have exposed the violent underbelly of Christianity. You own it. You disgust me.
Huh

Garland, TX

#437910 Jan 23, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
lol - hon, were you made to sit thru a lot of pentecostal 'chicken dances' in your youth; is that your 'why i'm mad at God' marilyn manson-like story?
while it may have been an unreasonable way to spend your youth, it was not God's fault:)
The Covenent of Wassssuuup:

1. Avoid all direct questions.

2. Mischaracterizing and lie about everyone else's posts.

3. Make violent threats to anonymous posters.

4. Fail to grasp even simple concepts.

5. Live in a death cult while pointing fingers outward.

6. Pathetically attempt to attract women by denigrating them.

Your behavior is that of a member of the Manson family.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#437911 Jan 23, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Of course you don't.
you ugly creature,go and make opration of your huge chicken lips, left side bended to your left batman ear,

and learn about DR CLOWN basic beliefs from Bible,

because very soon you will like frankenisteon child zombie with green flat head, and nose lile door handle from local presbiterian old prison gate

hush
Huh

Garland, TX

#437912 Jan 23, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
are you roman/catholic? i left that cult when i became a Christian
And joined your Manson-like Death Cult of Violence, Misogyny, and Abject Hate. Just like the Catholics. Go figure.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#437914 Jan 23, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Great verses. Hebrews 6:4-6 It is impossible for me, duststorm, who was once enlightened at the age of 9, and myself having tasted of the heavenly gift of salvation bestowed upon me, and I was at that second indwelled with the Holy Spirit, who promised never to leave me or forsake me, and I have also tasted of the wonderful truths of God's word, and seen the power of God in my life and others, If I fall away, which I have fallen away, on a daily basis most often, for myself to be renewed to repentance AGAIN, seeing that I would have to effectively crucify the Lord of Glory afresh, and put him to an open shame. Obviously, I do not have the power to re-crucify the Lord Jesus every time I sin. It is a cosmic impossibility.
As T-town Clown quoted, "It is finished", Jesus words from the cross.
Preaching to a man again. Best get on your knees and ask forgiveness.
Huh

Garland, TX

#437915 Jan 23, 2013
Look at all these idiots with guns:

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