“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

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#437318 Jan 22, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you're right Skom and when prejudices are so deeply ingrained the behaviour of individuals in said groups, whether good or bad, makes no difference. We all just have to be who we are and accept that not everyone is going to see past their prejudice for whatever reason, no matter what, to what an individual might actually really be like. Peace <3
As long as you think that, those same people you are ignoring will continue to damage your religion. At some point, it will be so damaged that it will die a natural death.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#437319 Jan 22, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Christianity have some things in its past that nobody is proud of? Sure. But I was no more responsible for that than I was for America having slaves. Are there some people within the faith that act terrible? Of course. There are close to a couple hundred million Christians in America alone.
duststorm replies: Skombolis, you say that Christianity has some things in its past that nobody is proud of.
I see that you are equating Christianity with Roman Catholicism, which has things in its past that nobody is proud of, mamely the bloody persecution, torture and killing of born again Christians who stood up and opposed infant baptism, selling of indulgences, etc.
Skombolis, I see by your post that you are most assuredly not a born again believer; rather, you are a Catholic.
So, like most others on this thread, you have not changed your beliefs as a result of anything that has been written by the few born again Christians.
This means that you, like millions of Roman Catholics, are unchanged of heart and are bound for a sinner's hell.
But you are responsible for your own actions here. Hoping that all who oppose your point of view will be tortured for eternity is where it starts.

You have brains. You know better. But you let the fear take over and your feelings of injustice in your own life lead you to hate other human beings enough to want them to be tortured forever. Not only that, you have decided that a bible verse means that they will also have a torture worm with which they will be even more tortured.

Yours is the kind of mind that started the Inquisitions, so don't say it's all the Catholic's fault. It is the fault of anyone who thinks that eternal torture is okay if someone doesn't believe as you do.

That's the whole of it dusty. If you and those who think like you do had the opportunity, and it wasn't against the law, you'd do the same things the Catholics did 600 years ago.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#437320 Jan 22, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm so sorry to hear that.
I really enjoyed his posts.
How old was he, if you don't mind my asking?
Did he have previous heart problems?
He was in his late 50's if I remember correctly, and didn't ever mention having heart problems to me. But that doesn't mean he had never had any, it just means we never discussed it.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#437321 Jan 22, 2013
Ricky F wrote:
<quoted text>Good monring there Water N, ice to see ya!
Good morning, Ricky. It's a lovely, sunny morning here. I think I'm going to wrap up in a warm sweater and go sit outside a while. Good to see you, too.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#437322 Jan 22, 2013
This morning as my tribute to DoC I decided to back and read his opening posts. It has been sometime now since I have read it and I hoped to find a hint of who he was through the words he chose to open this thread with.

We have all commented on his grace and kindness he chose to display in stead of anger and insults...maybe this part of his opening explains why.

We could all take lessons from it.

***

Why I知 no longer a Christian, Part Two

I mentioned my doubts about the value of grace. Let me try to explain:

I learned early on that I, as a rather perceptive and articulate kid, wielded the power of language. I was able to wound someone deeply with a well-timed and chosen, derisive remark. I知 ashamed to say that I flung these about, at an early stage of my life, freely and easily. These thoughtless barbs of mine were the cause of a lot of needless pain. I believe they were the greatest sins of my commission, ever.

I was assured that my sins were forgiven me but I became aware after a time that the targets of my derision, once hurt or offended, remained hurt or offended for a very long time. Jesus forgiveness of me, I noted, made no difference at all to the people I had hurt. Things changed for me as I approached adulthood and began to feel genuine empathy for other people. In time I came to feel an element of real remorse for the thoughtlessness of my adolescence, and when I felt these regrets I still feel them today -- I realized that Jesus grace made no real difference to me, either.

***

I find it ironic...DoC mentioning an aspect of his at one time faith is now what we are seeing displayed here by some at a time that we are remembering the gentleness of DoC.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#437323 Jan 22, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>They have nothing but fear and recrimination in their arsenal. Actually, I suspect it's not their beliefs that cause it, but they are very likely misanthropic social pariahs to begin with, and gravitate toward the uglier side of any belief to assuage and absolve themselves of their self-loathing and distrust of the world as they perceive it.
Did you ever notice how none of their prophecies and predictions forecast peace, harmony, or well-being, >except< in some indeterminate future for an infinitesimally tiny slice of historical humanity who were/are so "blessed" as to believe exactly as they do?
Actually, I've never seen them say they think anyone but they themselves are headed for this heaven place. So 'infinitesimally small' is truly .....
The Only True Christian. One. They won't have to share Jesus with anyone else. They'll have him all to themselves.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#437324 Jan 22, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, what a christian...
Now, grab that piece of chalk and write on the chalkboard 1001 times... I will not look in the mirror and believe I'm Glenda, the Good Witch of the North!

Dr. Clownie

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#437325 Jan 22, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Skombolis, you said, "No problem. I am trying to keep Topix in perspective more. I let it dictate my emotions way too often and things like Couth dying reminds me how short life really can be. If I ever have to look back and regret my last words to someone I don't want it to be because I allowed something like the Internet get the best of me".
duststorm answers: So you understand how short life is. Do you not also understand that you are not saved? You are relying on being a good person, saying kind words, living an upright life.
Do you not understand that being a good son, a good husband, a good father, a good citizen, etc. does not help at all with your own entrance into heaven?
Do you realize that you, by your judgement and pretending to know the mind of your god, are condemning yourself to your imaginary hell?

Do you know what "hypocrisy" means?

Look it up.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#437326 Jan 22, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
This morning as my tribute to DoC I decided to back and read his opening posts. It has been sometime now since I have read it and I hoped to find a hint of who he was through the words he chose to open this thread with.
We have all commented on his grace and kindness he chose to display in stead of anger and insults...maybe this part of his opening explains why.
We could all take lessons from it.
***
Why I知 no longer a Christian, Part Two
I mentioned my doubts about the value of grace. Let me try to explain:
I learned early on that I, as a rather perceptive and articulate kid, wielded the power of language. I was able to wound someone deeply with a well-timed and chosen, derisive remark. I知 ashamed to say that I flung these about, at an early stage of my life, freely and easily. These thoughtless barbs of mine were the cause of a lot of needless pain. I believe they were the greatest sins of my commission, ever.
I was assured that my sins were forgiven me but I became aware after a time that the targets of my derision, once hurt or offended, remained hurt or offended for a very long time. Jesus forgiveness of me, I noted, made no difference at all to the people I had hurt. Things changed for me as I approached adulthood and began to feel genuine empathy for other people. In time I came to feel an element of real remorse for the thoughtlessness of my adolescence, and when I felt these regrets I still feel them today -- I realized that Jesus grace made no real difference to me, either.
***
I find it ironic...DoC mentioning an aspect of his at one time faith is now what we are seeing displayed here by some at a time that we are remembering the gentleness of DoC.
Thanks for the introspection, Annie.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#437327 Jan 22, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> He was in his late 50's if I remember correctly, and didn't ever mention having heart problems to me. But that doesn't mean he had never had any, it just means we never discussed it.
I'm so sorry.

His wife must be devastated.

Please send condolences.

I just started reading this thread not long ago, but I enjoyed his posts. He will be missed, I'm sure.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#437328 Jan 22, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm so sorry.
His wife must be devastated.
Please send condolences.
I just started reading this thread not long ago, but I enjoyed his posts. He will be missed, I'm sure.
I can't imagine what it's like to have your husband die in bed next to you. And yes, she is absolutely devastated.

I will forward your condolences.

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#437329 Jan 22, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> As long as you think that, those same people you are ignoring will continue to damage your religion. At some point, it will be so damaged that it will die a natural death.
At this point, I think I'm ok with that. Maybe I misunderstood His teachings but I don't think all these factions, religions, denominations, branches, infighting, law disagreements, wars and killing in the name of God etc...were what Jesus had in mind for us or what He taught us. To me, those things are man made and Jesus taught us to love the Lord our God and each other as ourselves. Man made Faith into Religion + Law + Politics and it complicated everything we were taught, making it entirely fallible, corruptible and now crumbling. Enough people here debate and fight and get downright nasty and over what? Individual perceptions? If I can avoid participating in that vein, I will. Not that I always actually manage to avoid it just that most of the time, I want to.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#437330 Jan 22, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> No you're not sorry. You're braggin' again!
I got up this morning at 5:30 A.M when the school called to say that all schools in the county are closed for the day. It was -6 out with wind-chill of -18. It has now warmed up to a balmy{sarcasm}-4 and -12 with wind-chill. Our high temp expected for the day is 0..grumbleI for one am not moving very far from the fire or coffee today ;O) Good morning to you Water!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#437331 Jan 22, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>Skombolis, you said, "No problem. I am trying to keep Topix in perspective more. I let it dictate my emotions way too often and things like Couth dying reminds me how short life really can be. If I ever have to look back and regret my last words to someone I don't want it to be because I allowed something like the Internet get the best of me".
duststorm answers: So you understand how short life is. Do you not also understand that you are not saved? You are relying on being a good person, saying kind words, living an upright life.
Do you not understand that being a good son, a good husband, a good father, a good citizen, etc. does not help at all with your own entrance into heaven?
Dusty

I have asked you for three years to give your interpretation of verses like this one and you never reply

Matthew 19:16-17
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

I understand why you reject the commandments and the requirement to be obedient Dusty and it is because you willfully choose not to be obedient. You spend your days on Topix condemning people to hell. Which of course if you believe the bible is a very bad thing for you

Luke 6:37
Judge not, and you shall not be judged: condemn not, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven:

Now there are some Christians who will claim the teachings of Jesus Christ don't apply to today's Christian. It is a strange belief IMO considering in John 14:26 Jesus says the Holy Spirit is given in part to remind us of his teachings and in Matthew 28:20 Jesus says after he died on the cross and was resurrected to go baptize all nations and make sure they obey all he has commanded

But whatever you choose to believe is your business Dusty. But you have to admit it would be pretty ironic if after all your years of telling people they are going to hell that you were the one told..

Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

Who knows? Maybe you can disobey Christ and feel his teachings don't apply to you and do things like show up after someone has died and tell their friends that person is in hell and spread lies about other denominations of Christianity and try to speak for God as to who is saved and Jesus will accept you with open arms. For your sake you better be right.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#437332 Jan 22, 2013
duststorm wrote:
<quoted text>
Does Christianity have some things in its past that nobody is proud of? Sure. But I was no more responsible for that than I was for America having slaves. Are there some people within the faith that act terrible? Of course. There are close to a couple hundred million Christians in America alone.
duststorm replies: Skombolis, you say that Christianity has some things in its past that nobody is proud of.
I see that you are equating Christianity with Roman Catholicism, which has things in its past that nobody is proud of, mamely the bloody persecution, torture and killing of born again Christians who stood up and opposed infant baptism, selling of indulgences, etc.
Skombolis, I see by your post that you are most assuredly not a born again believer; rather, you are a Catholic.
So, like most others on this thread, you have not changed your beliefs as a result of anything that has been written by the few born again Christians.
This means that you, like millions of Roman Catholics, are unchanged of heart and are bound for a sinner's hell.
LOL

Your mom did a number on you

Yes I know you claim you were born again at age 6 and you don't recognize the RCC as being Christian. You can also believe the world is flat if you like. Your ignorance doesn't change the facts

"The Roman Catholic Church is the largest denomination with over 1.1 billion members, over half of all Christians worldwide, making it the largest denomination for any religion worldwide"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_denomi...

35 largest Christian denominations

1) Catholic

http://undergod.procon.org/view.background-re...

I realize much like Harold Camping when new branches of Christianity came along some sought to thrive by telling people the other members were not "real" Christians in hopes of drawing more to their own churches. We see how well that deciding who is a "real Christian" worked out for Harold Camping and how much he really was in contact with God.

1John 2:9
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.

1John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Start following the words of Jesus Christ and not what your mom taught you.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#437333 Jan 22, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
At this point, I think I'm ok with that. Maybe I misunderstood His teachings but I don't think all these factions, religions, denominations, branches, infighting, law disagreements, wars and killing in the name of God etc...were what Jesus had in mind for us or what He taught us. To me, those things are man made and Jesus taught us to love the Lord our God and each other as ourselves. Man made Faith into Religion + Law + Politics and it complicated everything we were taught, making it entirely fallible, corruptible and now crumbling. Enough people here debate and fight and get downright nasty and over what? Individual perceptions? If I can avoid participating in that vein, I will. Not that I always actually manage to avoid it just that most of the time, I want to.
Good post

While I still attend my local church to pray and participate in fellowship and charitable events that is about the extent of my connection to the "organized" portion of it. My beliefs are my own and my relationship is my own. The perversion of the faith by using it is currency in politics or for fear-mongering or hate-mongering certainly is not what I believe Jesus taught and not only i want no part of it, I would like to see the radical "fundie" part of Christianity die off.

The world doesn't need self-blind hypocrites running around making a public spectacle of themselves embarrassing the faith by claiming Jesus sent natural disasters to punish people for being gay. Even in Sodom the OT says it was for treatment of strangers and being sinful overall and the NT says it was for being unfaithful. And all sins of the flesh are equal so where are the protests for those "living in sin" that are divorced or having pre-marital sex or affairs? People can try to disguise bigotry with faith but it is transparent as all get out. And the less maniacs running around telling people they are going to hell the better

But at the end of the day even if it all went away as far as the organized portion that will be between each individual and God to maintain heir relationship. It doesn't need all the trappings to survive and if anything they prove to be a hindrance a lot of the time IMO

(T) Peace

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#437335 Jan 22, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post
While I still attend my local church to pray and participate in fellowship and charitable events that is about the extent of my connection to the "organized" portion of it. My beliefs are my own and my relationship is my own. The perversion of the faith by using it is currency in politics or for fear-mongering or hate-mongering certainly is not what I believe Jesus taught and not only i want no part of it, I would like to see the radical "fundie" part of Christianity die off.
The world doesn't need self-blind hypocrites running around making a public spectacle of themselves embarrassing the faith by claiming Jesus sent natural disasters to punish people for being gay. Even in Sodom the OT says it was for treatment of strangers and being sinful overall and the NT says it was for being unfaithful. And all sins of the flesh are equal so where are the protests for those "living in sin" that are divorced or having pre-marital sex or affairs? People can try to disguise bigotry with faith but it is transparent as all get out. And the less maniacs running around telling people they are going to hell the better
But at the end of the day even if it all went away as far as the organized portion that will be between each individual and God to maintain heir relationship. It doesn't need all the trappings to survive and if anything they prove to be a hindrance a lot of the time IMO
(T) Peace
I agree. The whole thing about Jesus sending natural disasters to punish people is both a ridiculous oxymoron. Why did Jesus get nailed to a cross again? Please....every Christian knows that once the Holy Spirit is within, we simply do not do these things. We change, constantly, at least, I do. I'm blessed in a way because if I'm too freaked out to go to church I can get together with family and pray and talk about Jesus. I just don't understand a lot of that stuff to be honest....
<3

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#437336 Jan 22, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I had a post typed out for all of you bone-picking vultures here. But I decided not to go there. Enjoy yourselves.
You're only looking to upset those who cared about DoC. His death seems to please so many of you.
I am pretty sure he won't care what you do or say at this point and I won't allow you to make a difference in how I feel either.
Showing your ignorance and hatred is normal. It doesn't make anyone but you and your group of Christians look bad, so have at it.
I really enjoyed DoC. I guess he knew something deep down. RIP

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#437337 Jan 22, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. The whole thing about Jesus sending natural disasters to punish people is both a ridiculous oxymoron. Why did Jesus get nailed to a cross again? Please....every Christian knows that once the Holy Spirit is within, we simply do not do these things. We change, constantly, at least, I do. I'm blessed in a way because if I'm too freaked out to go to church I can get together with family and pray and talk about Jesus. I just don't understand a lot of that stuff to be honest....
<3
Well I agree the desire to change should be there. How could one want to follow what Jesus taught and it not be? But it still takes effort and dedication. IMO one of the biggest downfalls for people is thinking that now that they are a believer they will automatically do the right thing. Or even worse that whatever they do is the right because they are a believer. The Bible says God gives us a way out of every temptation but that doesn't mean we will take it and clearly we will still be tempted.

This is one of my favorite verses..

Philippians 2:12
"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;"

..because it speaks to obeying even when not directly watched. The famous saying "What Would Jesus Do?" is a good one. But I think a better one to ask ourselves is "What Would We Do If Jesus Was In The Room With Us?" Because we all know at this point the difference between right and wrong and what Jesus probably would do in each situation. But man can we rationalize our own actions. But if someone can say they would act the same way in front of Christ then they know their faith is where it should be. Me, I still have a long upward climb to go to get my actions in harmony with my beliefs. But any day moving forward is a good day

(T) Peace

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#437338 Jan 22, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I agree the desire to change should be there. How could one want to follow what Jesus taught and it not be? But it still takes effort and dedication. IMO one of the biggest downfalls for people is thinking that now that they are a believer they will automatically do the right thing. Or even worse that whatever they do is the right because they are a believer. The Bible says God gives us a way out of every temptation but that doesn't mean we will take it and clearly we will still be tempted.
This is one of my favorite verses..
Philippians 2:12
"So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;"
..because it speaks to obeying even when not directly watched. The famous saying "What Would Jesus Do?" is a good one. But I think a better one to ask ourselves is "What Would We Do If Jesus Was In The Room With Us?" Because we all know at this point the difference between right and wrong and what Jesus probably would do in each situation. But man can we rationalize our own actions. But if someone can say they would act the same way in front of Christ then they know their faith is where it should be. Me, I still have a long upward climb to go to get my actions in harmony with my beliefs. But any day moving forward is a good day
(T) Peace
Jesus is in the room with us all the time, we just forget sometimes I reckon. You're right about obedience, we need to constantly keep checking ourselves.
Sorry Skom it's very late or very early depending how one looks at it, my words are dwindling but I do like talking to you, I don't think I have posted with you much before. Many Blessings <3

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