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#436507 Jan 18, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Now I'm Grace too? Intersting, that brings my count to 37.
I tried to have a discussion with you, have you forgotten in all your prancing about insulting women?
i'm sorry, you were talking like someone else i know. also, i'm sorry for the pharisee reference; it is honestly not my style to mix it up with fellow believers.

as for insulting women - i'm MUCH more courteous to my opposers than they are to me. now, please prove to me that you're not a pharisee/hyocrite and either confront them too or don't say anything to me:)

“let's do this thang!”

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#436508 Jan 18, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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which one is your god?
If I believed in your god,
would I become more like you?
the One whom you're here to mock and oppose, of course. why would you mock & oppose the other gods who your own father promotes? that would be like beelzebub casting out beelzebub and we know that a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#436509 Jan 18, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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maybe fundamantalist are, but normal folks like me just hate seeing our society pandor to a bunch of homo sex-monkeys;)
Wow, so you admit to not being human, how interesting.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#436510 Jan 18, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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the One whom you're here to mock and oppose, of course. why would you mock & oppose the other gods who your own father promotes? that would be like beelzebub casting out beelzebub and we know that a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand
You believe in Zeus too? How awesome. Zeus is the one true god, as he defeated all others to claim the thrown himself. It's true because he said it's true.

“let's do this thang!”

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#436511 Jan 18, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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As a child, I was indoctrinated into Christian beliefs.( I will not supply any identifying aspects of personal life to the internet)
I have spent a lifetime, educating myself spiritually and secularly, searching for the Christian god.
I was born with intellect, curiosity, and scepticism; (among other traits). Surely these attributes of birth are gifts from god (if he exists)
There is no consistency in the bible, the church lies to support faith. There is no evidence in (secular) history to support the (biblical) historical jesus the christ. >>> These are not guesses, but the result of intensive study.
The christian institution preaches xenophobia, and paranoia, and fosters hate. This is not the behaviour of disciples of a moral god.
There is no abrahamic god, that religion is a lie, is immoral, and antisocial.
There is no evidence of any other deity.
If I must choose one, then “Spinoza’s god” is the most reasonable.
Humans have always built their god upon that which is unknown, such behaviour is silly.
The origin of the universe is unknown, it is most likely, infinite in scope and time, it may be cyclic, and it may be that which we call “universe” is only one small iteration of a very much larger expression.
Consider how your belief set drives your behaviour within culture; are you an asset or a liability?
you began to state your case both sincerly and objective; thank you for this, i think it's the first time you didn't begin with accusations or insults.

however, you went on to make bold assertions that you can't possibly prove. so i have a cpl questions for you:

1) do you understand that each person is an individual, whether they believe in Christ or not?

2) do you understand that every 'christian' pastor/church can emphasize different things and go in negative directions?

3) do you understand that just like every human, christians go through developmental stages from young to old/immature to mature?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#436512 Jan 18, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
As a child, I was indoctrinated into Christian beliefs.( I will not supply any identifying aspects of personal life to the internet)
I have spent a lifetime, educating myself spiritually and secularly, searching for the Christian god.
I was born with intellect, curiosity, and scepticism; (among other traits). Surely these attributes of birth are gifts from god (if he exists)
There is no consistency in the bible, the church lies to support faith. There is no evidence in (secular) history to support the (biblical) historical jesus the christ. >>> These are not guesses, but the result of intensive study.
The christian institution preaches xenophobia, and paranoia, and fosters hate. This is not the behaviour of disciples of a moral god.
There is no abrahamic god, that religion is a lie, is immoral, and antisocial.
There is no evidence of any other deity.
If I must choose one, then “Spinoza’s god” is the most reasonable.
Humans have always built their god upon that which is unknown, such behaviour is silly.
The origin of the universe is unknown, it is most likely, infinite in scope and time, it may be cyclic, and it may be that which we call “universe” is only one small iteration of a very much larger expression.
Consider how your belief set drives your behaviour within culture; are you an asset or a liability?
to be more clear, after i said; "however, you went on to make bold assertions that you can't possibly prove"

i should also have said: therefore, i have to assume that like everyone including me, you were offended by the people you were around in the church. so, i have a cpl questions for you....

“let's do this thang!”

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#436513 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You believe in Zeus too? How awesome. Zeus is the one true god, as he defeated all others to claim the thrown himself. It's true because he said it's true.
hey kitty, why don't you prove to me that you don't believe in Jesus, by debating the sons of zeus at least as much as you do the sons of God;)

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#436514 Jan 18, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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I'll have to check that out @ the library, Oscar. I know that Gilgamesh is the oldest literature ever.
For Jewish history, try Michener's The Source.
Actually, Hebrew history, not Jewish history. The Hebrews were originally polytheistic. By the time they formed Israel, Asherah was rejected and most traces removed from the temples.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#436515 Jan 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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"Look at me Mom. I am dying."
"Mary, take care of your mother-in-law."
There were no men there, They would have been strung up, too. That is why the were all hiding.
The word "son" is most likely inserted later to put "John" where he wasn't.
Feel free to interpret it any way you want. It doesn't matter anyway.
Hmmmmm. I admit that is an interesting Dan Brown-ish take on the scene. I always just assumed that this part was added so that John would inherit the messiah shop after the boss retired, but then Saul came along and usurped all that.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#436516 Jan 18, 2013
Goober Hull wrote:
Don't applaud, throw money! The Great One is back, feeling refreshed, and more knowledgeable, wise, and charming as ever. You may all bow in unison!
GOOBER HULL is back
Remind me, who's sock are you again?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#436517 Jan 18, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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hey kitty, why don't you prove to me that you don't believe in Jesus, by debating the sons of zeus at least as much as you do the sons of God;)
Hmm, so your god's name isn't Zeus, then what is it? Zeus has more evidence supporting him than any of the other gods.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436518 Jan 18, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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I'll take that as evasion.
So I'll ask one more time: If sin is defined by the first five books of the Hebrew bible, what is that definition? If it is missing the mark, what is that mark?
Answered repeatedly. Moving on...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436519 Jan 18, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Hahah!
That being said, wasn't the "bible" itself made up by "christians" of the early church(that dictated by Constantine and Eusebius-Jerome)?
And, at that, being bias to extreme.
May I recommend the following books?

http://www.bartdehrman.com/books/lost_christi...

http://www.bartdehrman.com/books/lost_scriptu...

Both are by Bart D. Ehrman, and they deal with how what is now considered orthodoxy had plenty of competition in the early days.

I have not yet read it, but there is also this:
http://www.bartdehrman.com/books/orthodox_cor...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436520 Jan 18, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>You can't make it say that, though. You just kinda have to stick with what's written. We'll never know fer sure.
Yeah... but to be fair to G_O_D, the texts have been changed a LOT since they were written, and one of the changes that the early church wanted to make was to hide any comment about Mary as wife of Jesus. For some reason they thought that it was better to have people think her a prostitute than know that she & Jesus were bumping uglies.(With or without God peeking in...)

“let's do this thang!”

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#436522 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Hmm, so your god's name isn't Zeus, then what is it? Zeus has more evidence supporting him than any of the other gods.
the name by which He has revealed Himself to us for the last 2,000 years is J E S U S!!!

since every knee shall bow to this Name, the humble people of earth choose to start now!:)

Since: Mar 10

Trussville, Alabama

#436521 Jan 18, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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maybe fundamantalist are, but normal folks like me just hate seeing our society pandor to a bunch of homo sex-monkeys;)
But you ARE a fundamentalist. Your atrocious spelling only serves to underscore that fact.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436523 Jan 18, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> The temperature here is dropping like a rock. Thank goodness I am not in the snow forecast. Just wind and colder temps. But it will warm up to about 50 tomorrow.
<quoted text>
Aww, man! Here in southern Oregon we're barely above freezing at high noon! No snow, but ice and frost everywhere. It looks like a winter picture out of National Geographic. Really pretty, but friggin' cold!
Alas, we did not reach 80 today. In fact, by sunset, I might even need to stop being barefoot...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436524 Jan 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The "Here is your son" line is also used to allude to Jesus' son being there and Mary M. being the mother.
IMHO the only interpretation is that only women were present and any conversation was to them. It is difficult to imagine a beaten and crucified person talking as much as Jesus is alleged to have done. However, a stream of screams and profanities doesn't make for good "divine narrative". I am inclined to believe that Mark is the most believable account:
"God! God! Why have you betrayed me!"
And Mark makes the most sense if you believe that Jesus himself thought that he was the Messiah. If he did, then right up to that point when he finally figured out that he was going to die on that cross, he would have been expecting God to pull out some miracle to save him and let him become the anointed king. Must have been one heck of a blow to his ego, when the cavalry never came riding over the hill...

“let's do this thang!”

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#436525 Jan 18, 2013
p-o-p quiz wrote:
<quoted text>But you ARE a fundamentalist. Your atrocious spelling only serves to underscore that fact.
i suppose to someone who thinks the world should be like sodom, even a pedaphile pornographer could be considered a fundamentalist.

btw - i'd much rather be smart enough to fear God & live rather than spell properly on a social thread and perish;)

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436526 Jan 18, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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How can there be so many different versions or interpretations of the same thing. Why don't the christian priests and things sit down and clear this up?
But that means Jesus was not God and he didn't know God's plan. He lost faith in his own belief. So why do christian's keep calling Jesus God then?
There are verses in Matt, Mark and John where Jesus comes out and clearly states that he is not the God of the Bible. I might have missed a similar quote in Luke...

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