“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436518 Jan 18, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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I'll take that as evasion.
So I'll ask one more time: If sin is defined by the first five books of the Hebrew bible, what is that definition? If it is missing the mark, what is that mark?
Answered repeatedly. Moving on...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436519 Jan 18, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text>Hahah!
That being said, wasn't the "bible" itself made up by "christians" of the early church(that dictated by Constantine and Eusebius-Jerome)?
And, at that, being bias to extreme.
May I recommend the following books?

http://www.bartdehrman.com/books/lost_christi...

http://www.bartdehrman.com/books/lost_scriptu...

Both are by Bart D. Ehrman, and they deal with how what is now considered orthodoxy had plenty of competition in the early days.

I have not yet read it, but there is also this:
http://www.bartdehrman.com/books/orthodox_cor...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436520 Jan 18, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>You can't make it say that, though. You just kinda have to stick with what's written. We'll never know fer sure.
Yeah... but to be fair to G_O_D, the texts have been changed a LOT since they were written, and one of the changes that the early church wanted to make was to hide any comment about Mary as wife of Jesus. For some reason they thought that it was better to have people think her a prostitute than know that she & Jesus were bumping uglies.(With or without God peeking in...)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#436522 Jan 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Hmm, so your god's name isn't Zeus, then what is it? Zeus has more evidence supporting him than any of the other gods.
the name by which He has revealed Himself to us for the last 2,000 years is J E S U S!!!

since every knee shall bow to this Name, the humble people of earth choose to start now!:)

Since: Mar 10

Trussville, Alabama

#436521 Jan 18, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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maybe fundamantalist are, but normal folks like me just hate seeing our society pandor to a bunch of homo sex-monkeys;)
But you ARE a fundamentalist. Your atrocious spelling only serves to underscore that fact.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436523 Jan 18, 2013
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> The temperature here is dropping like a rock. Thank goodness I am not in the snow forecast. Just wind and colder temps. But it will warm up to about 50 tomorrow.
<quoted text>
Aww, man! Here in southern Oregon we're barely above freezing at high noon! No snow, but ice and frost everywhere. It looks like a winter picture out of National Geographic. Really pretty, but friggin' cold!
Alas, we did not reach 80 today. In fact, by sunset, I might even need to stop being barefoot...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436524 Jan 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The "Here is your son" line is also used to allude to Jesus' son being there and Mary M. being the mother.
IMHO the only interpretation is that only women were present and any conversation was to them. It is difficult to imagine a beaten and crucified person talking as much as Jesus is alleged to have done. However, a stream of screams and profanities doesn't make for good "divine narrative". I am inclined to believe that Mark is the most believable account:
"God! God! Why have you betrayed me!"
And Mark makes the most sense if you believe that Jesus himself thought that he was the Messiah. If he did, then right up to that point when he finally figured out that he was going to die on that cross, he would have been expecting God to pull out some miracle to save him and let him become the anointed king. Must have been one heck of a blow to his ego, when the cavalry never came riding over the hill...

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#436525 Jan 18, 2013
p-o-p quiz wrote:
<quoted text>But you ARE a fundamentalist. Your atrocious spelling only serves to underscore that fact.
i suppose to someone who thinks the world should be like sodom, even a pedaphile pornographer could be considered a fundamentalist.

btw - i'd much rather be smart enough to fear God & live rather than spell properly on a social thread and perish;)

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#436526 Jan 18, 2013
Clementia wrote:
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How can there be so many different versions or interpretations of the same thing. Why don't the christian priests and things sit down and clear this up?
But that means Jesus was not God and he didn't know God's plan. He lost faith in his own belief. So why do christian's keep calling Jesus God then?
There are verses in Matt, Mark and John where Jesus comes out and clearly states that he is not the God of the Bible. I might have missed a similar quote in Luke...

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#436527 Jan 18, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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do you understand that just like every human, christians go through developmental stages from young to old/immature to mature?
Spiritual maturity would be the stage when you realize that imaginary entities that affect, or effect, daily life quite evidently don't exist. Intellectual maturity, in this context, would be when you realize that there is a reason that there are so many inconsistencies and discrepancies in our chosen hereditary mythology. Immaturity is viewing ancient mythology as "absolute and eternal truth", no matter how comforting a salvation story might sound.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#436528 Jan 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, Clownie, you're still sorta the thread anti-mascot.
But you're attacking one of the nicest people on here, and that's just rude.
Apologize to the nice lady.
I think there are people that are so insecure with themselves that they cover it up with a barrage of insults and one-liners along with c/p of other peoples words.

Either that or they really don't have a thought in their head...

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#436529 Jan 18, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Answered repeatedly. Moving on...
No you didn't.

You simply evaded the questions.

But I understand your effort to "move on".

Myths will cause that, you know.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#436530 Jan 18, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>good morning crybaby/whiner/demon/evil/chil d of satan/idiot
we're still not gonna date!!!!!
Said Topix's John Wayne Gacy.

“Bacon Bacon ”

Since: Dec 06

SW Burbs Chicago

#436531 Jan 18, 2013
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Spiritual maturity would be the stage when you realize that imaginary entities that affect, or effect, daily life quite evidently don't exist. Intellectual maturity, in this context, would be when you realize that there is a reason that there are so many inconsistencies and discrepancies in our chosen hereditary mythology. Immaturity is viewing ancient mythology as "absolute and eternal truth", no matter how comforting a salvation story might sound.
This thread should be called the judge thread. hmmmm Hi HIP!! Long Time.......

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#436532 Jan 18, 2013
Proxysan wrote:
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Mommysan couldn't either. Crazy bitch.
Pretend much?

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#436533 Jan 18, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
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100% agree.
Me 2.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#436534 Jan 18, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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Not a problem on the dating thing...I don't date people with red noses.
....
Chess powder's his nose.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#436535 Jan 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I think it is quite evident in the text esp. when compared to the other accounts.
'John' is also the least reliable and most 'adapted' of the sources as well.
Do you really think Jesus said ANY of that ?
While Hermeneutics is used to understand the "author's" intent, it does not address what the reality underlining the author's content is.
I agree fully with your assessment of John, although it seems a low bar to surmount. If this Jesus did exist, and I suspect he may well have, I believe the Jesus Seminar is taking as likely an approach as any I've seen at determining his ministry. That said, I believe the items in John that have parallels in the other accounts may well be close to the mark, at least in message and intent. As for all the "I am God" crap that infuses John exclusively - not so much. As a practicing Jew, Jesus would have been mortally appalled at the very idea.

Nonetheless, just because we can't believe he said any of that, it still is not out of the question that John may have been shepherding Mary at the crucifixion. He was only a boy, was not one of the "notorious" disciples, and his presence would have been as any other spectator interested in the proceedings. The systemic persecution of the dissident Jews (aka "Nazarenes") didn't really fire up until after the crucifixion, so there was no reason to hide. I suspect the disciples were not so much hiding as bewildered, in mourning, and regrouping.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#436536 Jan 18, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
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I think you are misunderstanding what we are discussing, but I could be wrong. We are discussing if one sin is worse than another, and how to know what Gods judgment will be. If I bear false witness against another, will I be judged the same as a murderer? If not, why not, and if so, why? My own answer to AnnieJ was that I choose to view sinís as sinís, one no greater than the other. I think that it is more important to personally try to avoid sinning, than to figure out what Godís judgment will be. I also said, ask any Christian and you will be told that the laws (or what some call ďsuggestionsď) in the old testament do not apply. Unless (for the most part) they are showing someone else, how wrong they are in what they believe.
I personally am not going to sit and tell others how they are sinning, and what the outcome will be based on my own understanding of the Bible. That is my entire point. I will simply live my life to the best of my abilities, focusing on the two greatest commandments per Jesus, as I seek to understand the rest. Anyone that makes light of just the two, has not attempted to truly adhere to them 24/7 - in my honest opinion.
You go girl!

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#436537 Jan 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The same reason Jews and Muslims don't call Jesus God.
Most people only believe what they have been taught to believe.
Truth.

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