Why I’m no longer a Christian

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#432050 Jan 2, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Toss in my own? I did not write any dictionaries and everyone knows wiki is not a reliable source, I've certainly been told that enough on topix. Deity = God, gods, divine beings.
Angels are servants of God and fallen angels (statan) are naughty former servants of God called demons.
The word has never changed and you may want to look into the origin of the word Deity.
:p
Yup, and all the Greek and Roman supernatural beings were below Zeaus/Jupiter so Mars, Venus etc. were not deities either by your definition and explanation.

Damn, I wish you people would just admit that you have a hierarchical pantheon of whateverthefuckyouwanttocallth em.

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#432051 Jan 2, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
A deity is a supernatural being, like a god or goddess, which is worshipped by people who believe it controls or exerts force over some aspect of the world.
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/deity
celestial being, divine being, divinity, god, goddess, godhead, idol, immortal, supreme being
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definit...
any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/deity....
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A deity is a supernatural being, like a god or goddess, which is worshipped by people who believe it controls or exerts force over some aspect of the world.
The word deity means "divine nature." It was coined by Saint Augustine, a theologian whose writings were very influential in the shaping of Western Christianity. Deity comes from the Latin word for "god": deus. The divine nature of deities is believed to be immortal goodness and powerfulness.

DEFINITIONS OF:
deity
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n any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
Synonyms:
divinity, god, immortal
Examples:
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Types:
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Type of:
spiritual being, supernatural being
an incorporeal being believed to have powers to affect the course of human eventshttp://www.vocabulary.co m/dictionary/deity

Your source in this case is not so different from dictionaries, divinity, immortal, God, supernatural being like a God or goddess.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#432052 Jan 2, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
A deity is a supernatural being, like a god or goddess, which is worshipped by people who believe it controls or exerts force over some aspect of the world.
http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/deity
celestial being, divine being, divinity, god, goddess, godhead, idol, immortal, supreme being
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definit...
any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force
http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/deity....
That's not the half of it.
We are talking about the [supreme] deity here...no defects or flaws...I can NOT regard this deity (crister) as the [perfect] deity by it's own book's descriptive passages...in fact, it proves exactly the opposite.
In fact, I hold my own actions and behavior above the deity portrayed in the book.
How could one possibly even accept-let alone worship such an atrocious entity? I can not-and will not.

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#432053 Jan 2, 2013
G. Angels and demons are not gods.
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Angels
The term angel, which is derived from the Greek word angelos, is the equivalent of the Hebrew word mal’akh, meaning “messenger.” The literal meaning of the word angel thus points more toward the function or status of such beings in a cosmic hierarchy rather than toward connotations of essence or nature, which have been prominent in popular piety, especially in Western religions. Thus, angels have their significance primarily in what they do rather than in what they are. Whatever essence or inherent nature they possess is in terms of their relationship to their source (God, or the ultimate being). Because of the Western iconography (the system of image symbols) of angels, however, they have been granted essential identities that often surpass their functional relationships to the sacred or holy and their performative relationships to the profane world. In other words, popular piety, feeding on graphic and symbolic representations of angels, has to some extent posited semidivine or even divine status to angelic figures. Though such occurrences are not usually sanctioned doctrinally or theologically, some angelic figures, such as Mithra (a Persian god who in Zoroastrianism became an angelic mediator between heaven and earth and judge and preserver of the created world), have achieved semidivine or divine status with their own cults.
In Zoroastrianism there was a belief in the amesha spentas, or the holy or bounteous immortals, who were functional aspects or entities of Ahura Mazd&#257;, the Wise Lord. One of the amesha spentas, Vohu Manah (Good Mind), revealed to the Iranian prophet Zoroaster (6th century bc) the true God, his nature, and a kind of ethical covenant, which man may accept and obey or reject and disobey. In a similar manner, about 1,200 years later, the angel Gabriel (Man of God) revealed to the Arabian prophet Mu&#7717;ammad (5th–6th century ad) the Qur&#702;&#257;n (the Isl&#257;mic scriptures) and the true God (All&#257;h), his oneness, and the ethical and cultic requirements of Isl&#257;m. The epithets used to describe Gabriel, the messenger of God—“the spirit of holiness” and “the faithful spirit”—are similar to those applied to the amesha spentas of Zoroastrianism and the third Person of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) in Christianity. In these monotheistic religions (though Zoroastrianism later became dualistic) as also in Judaism, the functional characteristics of angels are more clearly enunciated than their ontological (or nature of Being) characteristics—except in the many instances in which popular piety and legend have glossed over the functional aspects.

Demons
The term demon is derived from the Greek word daim&#333;n, which means a “supernatural being” or “spirit.” Though it has commonly been associated with an evil or malevolent spirit, the term originally meant a spiritual being that influenced a person’s character. An agathos daim&#333;n (“good spirit”), for example, was benevolent in its relationship to men. The Greek philosopher Socrates, for example, spoke of his daim&#333;n as a spirit that inspired him to seek and speak the truth. The term gradually was applied to the lesser spirits of the supernatural realm who exerted pressures on men to perform actions that were not conducive to their well-being. The dominant interpretation has been weighted in favour of malevolence and that which forbodes evil, misfortune, and mischief.
In religions of nonliterate peoples, spiritual beings may be viewed as either malevolent or benevolent according to the circumstances facing the individual or community. Thus, the usual classification that places demons among malevolent beings is not totally applicable in reference to these religions.
The positions of spiritual beings or entities viewed as benevolent or malevolent may, in the course of time be reversed.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/244...

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#432054 Jan 2, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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I didn't say there were no other gods, I said angels and demons are not gods. Deity = God, god, divine beings.
According to your 66 books, your deity leaves a LOT to be desired in the realm of deity and worship.---I'll pass on that one.

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#432055 Jan 2, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Yup, and all the Greek and Roman supernatural beings were below Zeaus/Jupiter so Mars, Venus etc. were not deities either by your definition and explanation.
Damn, I wish you people would just admit that you have a hierarchical pantheon of whateverthefuckyouwanttocallth em.
Mars and Venus etc...were messengers for the gods, Mars was Hermes messenger for example. Angel means messenger eg; Cupid

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#432056 Jan 2, 2013
G. This is your source as well.
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deity
n pl ,-ties
1 a god or goddess
2 the state of being divine; godhead
3 the rank, status, or position of a god
4 the nature or character of God
(C14: from Old French, from Late Latin deitas, from Latin deus god)

Deity
n the. the Supreme Being; God
English Collins Dictionary - English Definition & Thesaurus

Deity
n the. the Supreme Being; God

deity
n pl ,-ties
1 a god or goddess
2 the state of being divine; godhead
3 the rank, status, or position of a god
4 the nature or character of God
(C14: from Old French, from Late Latin deitas, from Latin deus god)

English Collins Dictionary - English Definition & Thesaurus

deity
celestial being, divine being, divinity, god, goddess, godhead, idol, immortal, supreme being
http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-definit...

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#432057 Jan 2, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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According to your 66 books, your deity leaves a LOT to be desired in the realm of deity and worship.---I'll pass on that one.
That's ok, it is your choice and has naught to do with me :D

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#432058 Jan 2, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
G. Angels and demons are not gods.
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Angels
cut for space...
Exactly!
And that is exactly what the judgement of your deity is facing with higher moral standards of individuals of the society today...he fails to make the grade....simple as that.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#432059 Jan 2, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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That's ok, it is your choice and has naught to do with me :D
No it is not.
I will respect your person-just not your choices.

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#432060 Jan 2, 2013
G. Angels and demons are messengers, guardian spirits, malevolent spirits etc...not Deities or gods or God, not divine or immortal or to be worshipped.

In ancient Greece a Daimon, as they were called, was considered neither good nor evil. These were considered to be "guardian spirits" and everyone had one. Demons were not labeled evil until dualistic religions came into being and all spiritual beings were labeled either good or evil. This was when demons gained the reputation of trying to keep man from having a bond with god.

Different cultures view spiritual matters and even spiritual beings differently. What may be a god in one culture, another may view as a devil. Angels, demons, djinn, devas, and fay are all basically the same but are rooted in varying cultures and traditions.

In Pythagoreanism angels and demons are reputed to dwell in the air, in between gods and men. This is why demons, as well as angels, are usually depicted with wings.

A demon is the same as an angel usually. The word angel is translated from the word Malakh, which comes from the Greek "angelos". The Malakh is the dark side of god. This is the side which faces and interacts with humans. Since it is turned away from divinity, it eventually became associated with evil.

There are differences between angels and true demons. The main difference lies in the fact that a demon is usually a being that holds power or influence over the negative side of divinity and life.

Demons are also guides to the transformational process which lies in the underworld and death. Demons are represented as "Fallen Angels". A demon is actually a mediator of darkness, a "Dark Angel" in essence. These angels did not "fall" as is popularly believed. They "descended" to become the Keepers of the mysteries of the underworld.

The term "dark angel" is not limited to the fallen angels known as demons. There are other types of dark angels. These are the ones that do not reside in the underworld, but are possessed of dual natures, nonetheless. The dark side of these angels carry destructiuon. This is the negative side of the spiritual. The spiritual world, as well as the physical world, must have positive and negative in order to operate correctly.

The angels are also said to carry the swords of punishment. They are also keepers of the legends and secrets.

http://tribes.tribe.net/b9b544af-89e5-4aa7-8d...

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#432061 Jan 2, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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No it is not.
I will respect your person-just not your choices.
Fair enough.
Happy New Year!!!
<3

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#432062 Jan 2, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Fair enough.
Happy New Year!!!
<3
AYE!
You too sis!
Make it a good one!

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#432063 Jan 2, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
G. Angels and demons are messengers, guardian spirits, malevolent spirits etc...not Deities or gods or God, not divine or immortal or to be worshipped.
In ancient Greece a Daimon, as they were called, was considered neither good nor evil. These were considered to be "guardian spirits" and everyone had one. Demons were not labeled evil until dualistic religions came into being and all spiritual beings were labeled either good or evil. This was when demons gained the reputation of trying to keep man from having a bond with god.
Different cultures view spiritual matters and even spiritual beings differently. What may be a god in one culture, another may view as a devil. Angels, demons, djinn, devas, and fay are all basically the same but are rooted in varying cultures and traditions.
In Pythagoreanism angels and demons are reputed to dwell in the air, in between gods and men. This is why demons, as well as angels, are usually depicted with wings.
A demon is the same as an angel usually. The word angel is translated from the word Malakh, which comes from the Greek "angelos". The Malakh is the dark side of god. This is the side which faces and interacts with humans. Since it is turned away from divinity, it eventually became associated with evil.
There are differences between angels and true demons. The main difference lies in the fact that a demon is usually a being that holds power or influence over the negative side of divinity and life.
Demons are also guides to the transformational process which lies in the underworld and death. Demons are represented as "Fallen Angels". A demon is actually a mediator of darkness, a "Dark Angel" in essence. These angels did not "fall" as is popularly believed. They "descended" to become the Keepers of the mysteries of the underworld.
The term "dark angel" is not limited to the fallen angels known as demons. There are other types of dark angels. These are the ones that do not reside in the underworld, but are possessed of dual natures, nonetheless. The dark side of these angels carry destructiuon. This is the negative side of the spiritual. The spiritual world, as well as the physical world, must have positive and negative in order to operate correctly.
The angels are also said to carry the swords of punishment. They are also keepers of the legends and secrets.
http://tribes.tribe.net/b9b544af-89e5-4aa7-8d...
That should prove to you that religions and their organizations simply coin regurgitated beliefs and myths to suit their own purpose and agenda.

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#432064 Jan 2, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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That should prove to you that religions and their organizations simply coin regurgitated beliefs and myths to suit their own purpose and agenda.
I don't think so.
Believe what you like luv, but angels and demons are messengers, guardian spirits, malevolent spirits etc....
Not gods, divine, immortal, God.
Hermes = god Mars = Herme's messenger
God Angels = God's servants
Fallen angels = demons = malevolent spirits.
Cupid = messenger angel
Pagans and Christians actually agree on this, which is why I've provided links for both.
It's all there for anyone to read, Angels and demons were around way before Christianity. I've always been fascinated with them.
People in history have been "tricked " into worshipping demons but that still don't make them God or gods, they're just lying lower caste malevolent spirits, like statan.
Peace <3

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

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#432065 Jan 2, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Well, for all intent, it is. That depending on the sovereign state, and the laws passed in it's behalf(according to that's states law).
It is not unusual for individuals to have higher or lower standards in it's presence...so long as the individual does not break any "law" in it's regard.
Law does not dictate morality.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

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#432066 Jan 2, 2013
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Did I miss something?
I don't think I said that.
You said
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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You have concluded, I take it, that the most virtuous and admirable demographic of all is --

Yours.

Somehow I'm not surprised.
Which leaves me to conclude that "virtuous and admirable" could be the morals for the demographic in which you mentioned. If that demographic has it's own set of "morals" then doesn't that mean that other demographics also have their own seperate sets of morals as well?

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#432067 Jan 2, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Law does not dictate morality.
Which is exactly what I stated in so many words.

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#432068 Jan 2, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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I don't think so.
Believe what you like luv, but angels and demons are messengers, guardian spirits, malevolent spirits etc....
Not gods, divine, immortal, God.
Hermes = god Mars = Herme's messenger
God Angels = God's servants
Fallen angels = demons = malevolent spirits.
Cupid = messenger angel
Pagans and Christians actually agree on this, which is why I've provided links for both.
It's all there for anyone to read, Angels and demons were around way before Christianity. I've always been fascinated with them.
People in history have been "tricked " into worshipping demons but that still don't make them God or gods, they're just lying lower caste malevolent spirits, like statan.
Peace <3
Well, you jist conjure me one up and send it over here...I'll take care of the rest. OK?

Just Results

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#432069 Jan 2, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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No. I have not noticed that.
But I have noticed that ignorant or angry people quickly expose themselves regardless of their beliefs.
Just like you.
Awww. Are you mad because I keep exposing your love for wickedness?

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