Why I’m no longer a Christian

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#431797 Jan 1, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I still want the schedule. Like I said, I want to be one of the first observers there. I want to hear the 'sermon'.
maybe the basket can get all spruced up! can't beat watching it from the basket!!!!!!!!!!

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#431798 Jan 1, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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I have to admit I really don't understand most of your posts to me. You seem to assume a lot about me which I find strange as you don't know me at all. I don't hate anyone and try to be accepting and open to anyone. I may not like what certain denominations teach but I don't have anything against individual people who believe teachings that I don't agree with, because I know and have seen and experienced believing in lies that come to pain and destruction. I am wary of anything that is not Biblical but at the same time I do not claim to know better or to be better than anyone. In my life I try my best to follow God's and Jesus' teachings, however imperfect I may be.
My feeling uncomfortable around other Christians is not only because I don't agree with them, it is also because I feel like I'm so different to them. My fear of church is only trauma which I'm sure that in time will heal just as many other traumas have. Another thing I find hard to comprehend is how someone, like yourself, who has abandoned Christ, feels they have the right to verbally stone any Christian, even the abusive ones but especially the ones who are genuine in their faith and try their best. I can't quite work out why you treat me the way that you do, if I am so very repulsive to you or you are incapable of forgiving the mistakes I have made, why not just ignore me? Why come after me daily? This is a public forum is it not? What do you mean by divide and conquer? How can you presume to know my views on my religion when I haven't even worked them out yet? All I can say I do know is that I love God, Jesus and the Bible. Everything else is confusion for me. Mainly because I don't trust clergy of any kind. There are those Christians, whom I try to emulate, whom I do trust but sometimes don't feel like I'm good enough to be around, my issues are my own and I don't want to burden them. Why am I here? Why is anyone here? To get different viewpoints, to talk to others, to debate issues, out of loneliness, to troll, to fight, to argue, to make friends etc...There are many reasons for anyone to be here. I personally am not here to fight or upset or anger others but at the same time I find it difficult to control my emotions in certain situations. Does it mean I love Jesus any less? No, it doesn't, it just means I'm human. I don't know what your motivation for harassing and rudely challenging me is but if you think you know me, you're wrong, if you think I'll learn anything from you with the way you approach me, you're wrong, if you think I'm brainless because I chose Christ, you're wrong, if you think my beliefs stem from anyone telling me what I should believe, you're very wrong. Many of your assumptions and judgements of me have been wrong. You got my attention though, because before coming on topix I had not personally experienced much hatred towards Christians, it inspired me to find out why, by reading and by searching my own memory. A lot of ex Christians have been treated very cruelly by Christians but I don't believe I am or ever have been cruel to any one person based on their beliefs. I've seen a lot of people post that a Christian is a liar because they believe a lie, and Christians talk about Atheists being liars and Pagans being liars because they believe lies. It's all a matter of perspective I think.
i summed it up for you a few days ago. perhaps you missed it. so let me post it once again.

WN, along with others here, abhors dishonesty. if that word is too hard to understand..........strongly dislikes, detests, loathes dishonesty.

IMO you are upset that she held a mirror up to your dishonesty.

WN has no problem with the fact that you believe in christian god. in fact she has welcomed many believers to this thread. and has defended them to other hateful christians.

jsyk

Since: Dec 12

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#431799 Jan 1, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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Is that the latest?
That's what I heard. They said they were going to protest the burials of the children from Newtown, but I haven't heard anything so maybe they were stopped for that too.

Since: Dec 12

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#431800 Jan 1, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
the worst behaved Christian = the worst behaved Christians
More like the worst behaved Christian = christians.

Since: Dec 12

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#431801 Jan 1, 2013
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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Not yet but they are working on it. They would be classified as a hate group.
What's taking them so long? How much paperwork could be involved?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#431802 Jan 1, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
Okay, ya'll have a great New Year's Day dinner and root for Georgia in the game this afternoon! See ya later.
Why would I root for anyone else?

Since: Dec 12

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#431803 Jan 1, 2013
Just Results wrote:
No wonder you're going to Hell.
Got the GPS coordinates? LOL...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#431804 Jan 1, 2013
love_spell wrote:
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river styx?!
I think the River Phlegethon might be more in line with the fundie idea of an afterlife.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#431805 Jan 1, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Of course not. There is grace for all those who ask for it
I have no further questions, your honor.

The witness may step down.

"Judge not lest ye be judged. For the same standard that you use to judge others will be used to judge you."

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#431806 Jan 1, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Churches are central to Christianity and to Jesus' message as portrayed in the canon. Whether that portrayal is accurate or not is anyone's guess.
"[W]here two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."
-- Matthew 18:20 (NIV)
And when I say "churches", I mean Christian communities, not buildings.
Crossan* believes the heart of Christianity is “magic and meal or miracle and table.” By that he means he believes Jesus offered an “ecstatic vision and social program [that] sought to rebuild a society upward from its grass roots … on principles of religious and economic egalitarianism, with free healing brought directly to the peasant homes and free sharing of whatever they had in return”. For Jesus, this usually was food and shelter, at least as portrayed in the NT. In John, for example, Jesus dines at Lazarus’ home, having raised him from the dead, at least according to the myth. This seems to fit the paradigm of miracle and meal that Crossan sees. And of course the last supper fits it to a tee -- pizza and beer with friends before performing the ultimate miracle.
I have noticed that the worst behaved Christian on Topix often express disdain for churches -- Christian communities. A Christian's rejection of churches is not the same as a non-believer's rejection. A nonbeliever rejects the goal, the message, not the social order. A Christian is rejecting the social order as well as a major theme in his own religion.
I interpret this to mean many Christians who have a problem with the concept of a church likely don't fit well in any social structure and, probably, a key role of religion in that Christian's life is to justify why he is right and the world is wrong and why he doesn't fit well in society.
But, hey, I'm not Dr. Phil.
* Crossan, The Historical Jesus (HarperCollins, 1993), p.304 and p. xii.
Good stuff.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#431807 Jan 1, 2013
love_spell wrote:
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LOL!!!!!!!!
my mom told me [when i was a little girl] that is why the *whispers* catholics are hell bound.
after a couple of seconds, i asked why they felt it was "ok" to send us to a catholic school if catholics were so sinful.......
she said that as long as i closed my ears to their religious teachings, it was ok..........
Makes perfect sense, eh?

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#431808 Jan 1, 2013
Cuneiform, Biblical archaeology and an I-Pad
http://whatcounts.com/dm...

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#431809 Jan 1, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Makes perfect sense, eh?
IMO, southern baptists are the worst emtionally abusive people to children.

of course i didn't "close my ears........being the curious child i was, i wanted to learn about the religion and understand why catholics went against the bibull.

didn't make sense to me that they worshipped the same god and believed the same 10 commandments baptists did.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#431810 Jan 1, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Cont...
To me, it's ok for a fellow Christian to rebuke me and vice versa, Jesus taught us to do that but for unbelievers to rebuke us and vice versa? I don't agree with that, especially when non Christians don't want to know a thing that a Christian has to say. If you just want to fight me and hate me that's your choice, but know that I will not fight back, there are too many people fighting hatefully on topix as it is, nothing wrong with a good clean fair debate and light banter but I'm not interested in warfare.
Peace <3
Based on your assertion here, there should be an entire different court system and laws for every religious belief, or lack of. That's not a country, it's called anarchy.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#431811 Jan 1, 2013
This blog was just passed along to me. I likey.

Here is an excerpt from a post about the birth of Jesus and misuse of Isaiah 7:14.

"During my two years as a graduate assistant, the paper assignment that caused my students (and me!) the most headache was called “Context is Everything.” In this assignment we asked the students to answer a few questions based on their reading of Isaiah 7, describing the sign given to Ahaz, its probable fulfillment, and Isaiah’s mission in the text.

"And like clockwork, every semester half of the students would fail the paper because they would write something like this:”The Prophet Isaiah is predicting the birth of Jesus Christ, the saviorof the world.” "

http://kristadalton.com/2012/12/07/celebrate-...

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#431812 Jan 1, 2013
love_spell wrote:
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IMO, southern baptists are the worst emtionally abusive people to children.
of course i didn't "close my ears........being the curious child i was, i wanted to learn about the religion and understand why catholics went against the bibull.
didn't make sense to me that they worshipped the same god and believed the same 10 commandments baptists did.
Well I can certainly speak of the Southern Baptists from authority, so I can't disagree. As an organization, they rank up there with the Catholic Church and Ryan Seacrest.

I think it goes deeper than denomination though.

My personal opinion, which is worth less than an empty McDonalds bag, is that the most destructive element of monotheism was the literalizing of mythology. Is literalizing a word?

One thing you have shown is that children learn from the mistakes of their parents. That is a good thing.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#431813 Jan 1, 2013
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>More like the worst behaved Christian = christians.
Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself?

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#431814 Jan 1, 2013
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Good stuff.
Thanks.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#431815 Jan 1, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Did someone say "beer"?
Hehe...and Brats but...I'm good with steak, tenderloin preferred, or pork loin or ribs or angus burgers...or....

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#431816 Jan 1, 2013
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>I think in this post you have brought to light one of the biggest problems in the Christian belief system today.
Many seem to be 'going rogue', to put it bluntly (as I most always do). The rebel against all that Jesus taught, but look at outsiders and other sects of Christianity with what they believe to be they eye of discernment, when actually they are just playing God.
There is no real sense of community in which they practice what Jesus taught, because they are off on their own trip of sureness that they are the only one who is a 'true' Christian.
It would seem, by Topix fundamentalist Christians especially, that you are right...these are people who are not socially adept in any setting. Therefore, being a sect of one, they get to judge all others in the world. Look how each and every Christian who is honestly trying to be a good person and follow Jesus' teachings here on this thread alone is treated by those rogue Christians. It's a shame and disgrace. Jesus would weep.
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Those are pretty much my thoughts too.

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