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#431237 Dec 30, 2012
love_spell wrote:
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also explains why when so many give up an addiction......drug, alcohol, sex, gambling, food........they turn to religion.
Every single fundie who has said they gave up drugs/alcohol/porn/etc has just transferred their addiction to religion. The addictive behavior has not been addressed nor indeed worked on. They went to religion for the cure, and now the cure of religion has them held fast in its grip.

It is not that I don't think they have done something marvelous for themselves and their community by giving up alcohol/drugs/porn/etc. They have and I congratulate them. But now they need to work on the real problem...themselves and their addictive behavior. You can never get over having an addictive behavior if you simply swap one addiction for another.

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#431238 Dec 30, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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Never said I was. I question churches not Jesus.
<3
Churches taught you what you know about Jesus, so you're really not 'searching' for anything except a church that agrees with what another church told you and there seem not to be any of those in your area.

Don't worry, if you ever come to the point where you are actually searching, it will be about everything, not just churches.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#431239 Dec 30, 2012
What I find most interesting is that the people who actually walked with Jesus are made out to be idiots while the self proclaimed "apostle" who never met Jesus, knew nothing about Jesus, disagreed with all those who did know Jesus, contradtics Jesus, etc. is heralded as the only man who knows what Jesus meant.

That is just stupid.
Chess Jurist wrote:
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That's an interesting point. And you are correcrt in a way. But I believe the actual target of Mark's author was the original disciples themselves, and more specifically, the Twelve, and only indirectly their followers. Mark seems to want to discredit the Twelve themselves.
By the time John was written, the target was the Jews in general -- and the Jewish communities that had sprung from the Jerusalem church -- the followers of the Twelve you mentioned.
Markís treatment of the Twelve has caused scholars to wonder what purpose his harshness served. As William Telford describes it, in Mark, the Twelve appear ďfrail, confused, afraid, and humanĒ.* They show numerous failings, such as misunderstanding Jesusí teachings, deserting him, falling asleep on guard duty, and seeking undeserved power and status. Additionally, Peter denies knowing Jesus three times, and Judas ultimately betrays him. Bart Ehrman describes Markís portrayal of the disciples in the following terms:
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Markís treatment of the Twelve is so harsh in fact that the other synoptic writers, according to Ehrman**,ďfelt it necessary to alter, omit, or otherwise tone down Markís treatmentĒ of them.
I think the reason for this, generally, was that at the time of Mark's writing the tension between the Jerusalem church and Pauline Christianity -- perhaps best displayed in Paul's account of his confrontation with Peter at Antioch -- was, as you noted, a very significant issue.
But by the time of John's writing, the dispersed Jerusalem church and the more Hellenistic churches were then in competition for apostolic authority. Churches founded by Paul were seeking to reinvent Peter and crew in their image and claim their authority -- something Mark's author couldn't do with the Jerusalem church being only so recently dispersed and probably some original followers still alive.
* Telford, William R., The Theology of the Gospel of Mark (Cambridge University Press, 1999), p. 131.
** Ehrman, Bart D., Peter, Paul, and Mary Magdalene: The Followers of Jesus in History and Legend (Oxford University Press, 2006), p. 225.

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#431240 Dec 30, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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Instead of worrying about explaining things to WN maybe you should be more worried about why JuicyLu finds asking questions of Christians confusing. Why is it more important clownie for you to "help" someone who doesn't want your help than it is for you to "help" one of your brothers/sisters in Christ?
Another question is why Juicylu is asking non-Christians what they think of the Church of God or any other church, about which church to go to, or anything else regarding what she should do?

I personally think she/he is just playing games.

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#431241 Dec 30, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Not really.
Now Tinker Bell might be a different story....
Why is it always Tinker Bell? Why can't all men just fantasize about Water_Nymphs? We sure do get a bum rap.

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#431242 Dec 30, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Looks like the source was the Bible and everyone know what a POS that is.
Bingo! Thank you. Guess the religious nut jobs couldn't figure that one out for themselves. LOL...

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#431243 Dec 30, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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.......... I often get accused ........of not being a Christian. Apparently, I ask too many questions.
i had this problem growing up. come to find out, my questions made them think. and that made them realize they didn't have the answers. and THAT scared the sh!t out of them.

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#431244 Dec 30, 2012
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>There are probably millions of people who have their names on church rolls but they do not have their names on Godís roll, which is the Book of Life. Many are trying to earn their way to heaven but that is an impossible task.
GET SAVED
Why would God choose the adherents to any man made religion over another man made religion? Which is the one sect of the 39,000 from which God chooses names for his list? It's all so very silly sounding to me for Christians to think that their small little sect of Christianity is the only pool from which God has to choose, while at the same time counting all Christians together when trying to make a point about how Christianity is taking over the earth. But then, when you tell them what a Catholic or a JW has to say, you say they are not 'real' Christians.

You guys are a hoot to watch in action.

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#431245 Dec 30, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
What I find most interesting is that the people who actually walked with Jesus are made out to be idiots while the self proclaimed "apostle" who never met Jesus, knew nothing about Jesus, disagreed with all those who did know Jesus, contradtics Jesus, etc. is heralded as the only man who knows what Jesus meant.
That is just stupid.
<quoted text>
Yep. And they then believe that those who don't believe as they do have been 'blinded'.

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#431246 Dec 30, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
I don't think they were originally numbered
Correct. Unless it involved throwing stones at someone, religious people back then didn't know how to count.

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#431247 Dec 30, 2012
love_spell wrote:
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Self
Inflicted
Nonsense
You just described religion.

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#431248 Dec 30, 2012
love_spell wrote:
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also explains why when so many give up an addiction......drug, alcohol, sex, gambling, food........they turn to religion.
One addiction is as good as another. LOL..

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#431249 Dec 30, 2012
T-Town Clown wrote:
JESUS SAVES
Since when do they allow cartoon characters to have a bank account?

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#431250 Dec 30, 2012
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text> you're a sucker for satan
You're a clown that believes in religion - looks like there is nothing that distinguishes you from every other religious nut job.
Nevaeh

Rancho Santa Margarita, CA

#431251 Dec 30, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Another question is why Juicylu is asking non-Christians what they think of the Church of God or any other church, about which church to go to, or anything else regarding what she should do?
I personally think she/he is just playing games.
Lol I was thinking the same thing several posts ago...

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#431252 Dec 30, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
What I find most interesting is that the people who actually walked with Jesus are made out to be idiots while the self proclaimed "apostle" who never met Jesus, knew nothing about Jesus, disagreed with all those who did know Jesus, contradtics Jesus, etc. is heralded as the only man who knows what Jesus meant.
That is just stupid.
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Exactly. Paul's "Judiazers" doubtless were closer to the original teachings of the Jerusalem church and some may have been part of the church.

Paul was selling a myth to Gentiles and had to Hellenize it to do so. He could not have sold it well otherwise.

And that's what it boils down to.

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#431253 Dec 30, 2012
Because, Islam is the only true and best religion over all religious. No doubt that torah, Psalm, Gospel and bible are holy books but Quran Pak is the latest version of all these books and Allah says himself in Quran that this book (Quran) does confirmation of all (previous) holy books.
As we usually say that this is the latest version (of could be anything) dude check that out many of bugs have been fixed in that and it is the final version, obviously that will be the best version. Use the same sense for religion that Islam is the latest version of all real religious and it is the best. I am talking about Religious not about community (Actually people have made a lot of communities in Islam). While i think Islam is the simplest religion on the planet.(Sorry for the bad english).

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#431255 Dec 30, 2012
pakpharm wrote:
Because, Islam is the only true and best religion over all religious. No doubt that torah, Psalm, Gospel and bible are holy books but Quran Pak is the latest version of all these books and Allah says himself in Quran that this book (Quran) does confirmation of all (previous) holy books.
As we usually say that this is the latest version (of could be anything) dude check that out many of bugs have been fixed in that and it is the final version, obviously that will be the best version. Use the same sense for religion that Islam is the latest version of all real religious and it is the best. I am talking about Religious not about community (Actually people have made a lot of communities in Islam). While i think Islam is the simplest religion on the planet.(Sorry for the bad english).
Allah's pretend, goofy.

And Mu&#7717;ammad was a pedophile.

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#431256 Dec 30, 2012
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Allah's pretend, goofy.
And Mu&#7717;ammad was a pedophile.
You don't know anything about Allah or Mohammad. So please stop abusing or don't use bad words for any religion. If you hate my post just ignore it don't abuse anyone please .

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#431257 Dec 30, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Why doesn't he just do away with hell?
I mean, if he's God and all, it seems to me that he could just simplify things....
If God is good, he isn't great.
If God is great, he isn't good.

Pretty simple.

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