Why I’m no longer a Christian

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#430810 Dec 29, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Interesting theory. Who conducts this "indoctrination" of us atheists? Where is it held and how often? And whom is it, in particular, that we "hate?"
And whose media is it that's unfairly biased against Christianity? The USA's? Europe's? The whole world's?
Good morning, DoC. I think you can see by his posts who is biased, indoctrinated, and filled with hatred for other human beings. No questions need be asked.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#430812 Dec 29, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> As you can see, there are extremists on each end of the spectrum.
Never listen to extremists, lest you become one.
Agreed.
water_nymph wrote:
NS, you have another recipe on t-mail. Your husband, children and anyone who eats this will beg for more.
WOW!! I love how they set up the instructions, and the name of he recipe! I will definitely be making these, and I will start my diet today to prepare for all the calories ;O)

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#430813 Dec 29, 2012
NoStress4me wrote:
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Agreed.
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WOW!! I love how they set up the instructions, and the name of he recipe! I will definitely be making these, and I will start my diet today to prepare for all the calories ;O)
There is no preparation that will get you to a point of being able to eat only one of these. The only thing you can do is diet AFTER. That is, if you can resist the urge to make another batch.
Silent Majority

Glasgow, KY

#430814 Dec 29, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
Why I’m no longer a Christian, Part Four
Finally, struggling with my private predicament in that pew during prayer service, I knew what it was that I had to do. I came to the realization that there was only one possible course of action that seemed to offer me any degree of self-respect, and there was no other course to take, so at long last I took it. I stood and walked out.
I did not look anyone in the eye as I passed and I have no idea whether anyone registered surprise, hostility, concern, or anything at all. For all I know they all faced forward and ignored me as I turned left at the end of the aisle and made my final exit from the building. The moment I reached the open air outside I was astonished to find that I was finally, after all this time, experiencing something that was vivid and genuine and undeniable. In fact it was nearly overpowering. It crested over me like a breaker:
Relief.
From now on, I resolved that day, I will not stop and examine my innermost thoughts and evaluate, whether they are appropriately reverent and sanctimonious. I will admit my doubts and reservations and when people ask me for my thoughts I will express them respectfully but openly, as I am doing now.
If everyone around me seems confident and secure where I am irresolute and sceptical then I decline to acknowledge this as a problem, for me or for anyone else. That’s just the way it is.
Leaving the prayer meeting that day was a liberating, exhilarating, and truly life-changing experience for me. It was my “baptism” and I will never forget it.
I’m free.
If I have to account someday for the decisions I’ve made and the actions I’ve taken, then I will. But I won’t again lie to anyone that I’m feeling something or sensing something when I’m not. I won’t try to deceive anyone around me but most importantly I won’t lie to myself. Life is too short to waste it that way.
So it's been a few years now since you posted this.
Tell me what you believe now? Are you an Atheist or Agnostic?
And did you ever study other doctrines looking for the truth?

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#430815 Dec 29, 2012
NoStress4me wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
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In my opinion it was not covered. The problem I have with how you chose to word your post‘s, is that you state that the gene is defective and a disorder. Nothing I have read or heard about his hypothesis, has ever stated such. Here is part of one book review:
In The God Gene, Dr. Dean Hamer reveals that this inclination towards religious faith is in good measure due to our genes and may even offer an evolutionary advantage by helping us get through difficulties, reducing stress, preventing disease, and extending life.
Review found here:
http://www.randomhouse.com/book/74186/the-god...
I think that it is very important to note that Dr. Hamer’s full hypothesis, has not been published amongst his peers.
Thanks for the info NS4M...interesting point you've made here.
Lost In Transition

Andalusia, AL

#430816 Dec 29, 2012
NoStress4me wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
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In my opinion it was not covered. The problem I have with how you chose to word your post‘s, is that you state that the gene is defective and a disorder. Nothing I have read or heard about his hypothesis, has ever stated such. Here is part of one book review:
In The God Gene, Dr. Dean Hamer reveals that this inclination towards religious faith is in good measure due to our genes and may even offer an evolutionary advantage by helping us get through difficulties, reducing stress, preventing disease, and extending life.
Review found here:
http://www.randomhouse.com/book/74186/the-god...
I think that it is very important to note that Dr. Hamer’s full hypothesis, has not been published amongst his peers.
In an interview with Public Radio, Hamer also claimed that his testing showed an inclination towards transcendence and spirituality, and NOT towards a belief in a god per se. He emphasized the importance of seperating spirituality from religion. He also claimed that in testing for spirituality, members of the clergy (various religions) had consistantly scored quite low.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#430817 Dec 29, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> As you can see, there are extremists on each end of the spectrum.
Never listen to extremists, lest you become one.
Yepper...^5 W_N.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#430818 Dec 29, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Interesting theory. Who conducts this "indoctrination" of us atheists? Where is it held and how often? And whom is it, in particular, that we "hate?"
And whose media is it that's unfairly biased against Christianity? The USA's? Europe's? The whole world's?
Great questions DoC...

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#430819 Dec 29, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Ex-Catholics seem to me to have a much deeper way of looking at things.
It's called growing a spine.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#430820 Dec 29, 2012
Just Results wrote:
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The media is very unfair and biased against Christianity.
Can you say faux news?

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#430821 Dec 29, 2012
NoStress4me wrote:
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Here is part of one book review
More of a synopsis than a review by the company that sells the book.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#430822 Dec 29, 2012
Lost In Transition wrote:
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In an interview with Public Radio, Hamer also claimed that his testing showed an inclination towards transcendence and spirituality, and NOT towards a belief in a god per se. He emphasized the importance of seperating spirituality from religion. He also claimed that in testing for spirituality, members of the clergy (various religions) had consistantly scored quite low.
He also gave quite a good lecture at Marlboro college on not only why some people are gay, but why some people are straight.

You can see part of it here:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search...

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#430823 Dec 29, 2012
Mylan wrote:
<quoted text>Can you say faux news?
It's not limited to Fox News. It is spread in every extremist church that everyone is trying to persecute you because you're a believer. This teaches people not to be responsible for their actions, thoughts or words. Someone else is always to blame, never the Christian...no matter what they do.

To be taught that there is no responsibility here on earth is to be taught that no matter what you do, you're forgiven. Therefore, there is no thought of ones actions against another human being.

I'd like to once again say if all preachers said the things Spong says, we'd be a mentally healthier nation.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#430824 Dec 29, 2012
NoStress4me wrote:
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The problem I have with how you chose to word your post‘s, is that you state that the gene is defective and a disorder. Nothing I have read or heard about his hypothesis, has ever stated such.
Sorry, I misunderstood what you were getting at. The original Time magazine article covered this. I have a link for it but unfortunately they have changed their site so now you have to pay to access it. I do however document all of my research and I have screenshots of the article. It will take some time but I will find what you are looking for and post it for you. Hope that helps.

“What do I know?”

Since: Apr 08

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#430825 Dec 29, 2012
Silent Majority wrote:
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So it's been a few years now since you posted this.
Tell me what you believe now? Are you an Atheist or Agnostic?
And did you ever study other doctrines looking for the truth?
Well, thanks for dropping in.

I call myself an atheist today, and have for quite a few years now. I'm convinced that God/Allah/Jehovah/Jesus/Holy Spirit, etc., etc.-- is all purely the result in human ingenuity. Folklore and superstition, and nothing but.

I have found life liberating this way, taking responsibility for my own actions and decisions and interacting only with people and no invisible friends.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#430826 Dec 29, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> It's not limited to Fox News.
Correct.
To be taught that there is no responsibility here on earth is to be taught that no matter what you do, you're forgiven. Therefore, there is no thought of ones actions against another human being..
Well stated.

“What do I know?”

Since: Apr 08

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#430827 Dec 29, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Good morning, DoC. I think you can see by his posts who is biased, indoctrinated, and filled with hatred for other human beings. No questions need be asked.
Dunno, WN.

They seem like perfectly reasonable questions to me.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#430828 Dec 29, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Dunno, WN.
They seem like perfectly reasonable questions to me.
They were reasonable questions. However, they were asked of someone who is as far from reason as cookies are from a dungheap.
Lost In Transition

Ashburn, VA

#430829 Dec 29, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Well, thanks for dropping in.
I have found life liberating this way, taking responsibility for my own actions and decisions and interacting only with people and no invisible friends.
Well....that's mighty uppity of you, DOC.
Invisible people have feelings too, ya know.

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#430830 Dec 29, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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I agree NS...all across America especially in small towns church buildings provide for the needs of their communities. My own son attended day care that was located in a church. They provide child care services...meeting rooms...etc etc for the entire area. I used a day care facility located within a church...I was never asked about religious affiliation. They saw a need and fulfilled it.
In ones haste to find criticism I think that we often overlook the value that churches have added to these small town areas.
My son attended many a sleep over sponsored by churches...they were always open to every child within the community. It was fun for parents too...gave us a night off!
Hello AnnieJ, I hope all is well in your slice of the world today. I somehow managed to miss this post yesterday.

I think that it can be difficult for some to understand that a Church can be a hub for the community. Like you said above, many rent out their space to other groups that are not Christian based. In Ann Arbor there is a Christian Church and a Jewish Synagogue in the same building, they have been there together as long as I remember. They often hold joint programs, such as blood drives (as one example), that are not religion based but community based. I do understand that some think that churches are simply a drain on the community. I can’t help but wonder if they have ever really looked into what their local churches do, other than hold their regular church services.

I found your post while looking for a link that Chess had posted…I am off to pop some popcorn, poor myself a Coke, and cozy on in to watch what I read is a good program. I hope that you have a wonderful and stress free day!

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