Why I’m no longer a Christian

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#429719 Dec 26, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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The fallacy is in the claim that no ancient evidence exists. This is blatantly dishonest. There is an abundance of evidence showing how the Christ is a creation following the supposed life of Jesus. There is an abundance of evidence showing how this belief varied and changed in early Christianity.
There is no contemporary evidence proving that Jesus was the Christ. There is an abundance of evidence proving that Jesus was not a Jewish messiah. There is an abundance of evidence showing how Christianity rewrote the Jewish requirements for a messiah.
What we will likely receive in reply will be any number of fallacious arguments, which will prove, once again, the dishonesty of Christianity.
Juicylu wrote:
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Well, I'm not sure what you mean by contemporary evidence, however, when the disciples wrote the books in the NT, it was not a Bible. They were witness accounts, mostly letters to the Churches,
Too bad they--Matthew, Mark, Luke and John--never got together to get their stories straight; each one of them contradicts the other three.
sarpa

Morehead, KY

#429720 Dec 26, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
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Do you want to end up like this?
http://www.bing.com/images/search...
you mean like this?

John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oe8Q7ydpc6Y/T2IGHq3...

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#429721 Dec 26, 2012
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>thats your mouth you are looking at...
You are making less sense than usual. Still recovering from the holiday?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#429722 Dec 26, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Well, there you go.
Your ignorance is your problem to deal with.
So you believe that Historians are not credible? If that's the case, there is nothing more I can say as a lot of history from before the time of media of any kind, comes from Historic Studies.
Thank you for your kind words.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#429723 Dec 26, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Puppies are kinda cute when kept clean. But every time T-Town gets excited by company, he shits all over himself.
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I have a problem
LOL!!

Hyper-excitability; you need more play time.

Go chase the squirrel!!

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#429724 Dec 26, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I should have been more clear, I don't get harassed in all the threads I go into, this was the first one where I personally experienced this, but somebody always does.
Dilbert?
So you ere whining on behalf of others, Dilbert?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#429725 Dec 26, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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The fallacy is in the claim that no ancient evidence exists. This is blatantly dishonest. There is an abundance of evidence showing how the Christ is a creation following the supposed life of Jesus. There is an abundance of evidence showing how this belief varied and changed in early Christianity.
There is no contemporary evidence proving that Jesus was the Christ. There is an abundance of evidence proving that Jesus was not a Jewish messiah. There is an abundance of evidence showing how Christianity rewrote the Jewish requirements for a messiah.
What we will likely receive in reply will be any number of fallacious arguments, which will prove, once again, the dishonesty of Christianity.
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Too bad they--Matthew, Mark, Luke and John--never got together to get their stories straight; each one of them contradicts the other three.
Well, that's probably because they were different people with different perspectives and may not have all witnessed the exact same parts of everything. Two people can see and write about the same thing they see in different ways, that's why in a Court Case for example, the more witnesses available the better the case will be, from different perspectives of the same event, a clearer picture can be made.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#429726 Dec 26, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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So you believe that Historians are not credible?
Strawman

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#429727 Dec 26, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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So you believe that Historians are not credible?.....
You're pretending, Digby.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#429728 Dec 26, 2012
ere - were

Dang secretary.
Won and Dunn

Czech Republic

#429729 Dec 26, 2012
Still "closing in" "real soon"? Guess " I'll see" the " big reveal"?

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#429730 Dec 26, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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Well, that's probably because they were different people with different perspectives and may not have all witnessed the exact same parts of everything. Two people can see and write about the same thing they see in different ways, that's why in a Court Case for example, the more witnesses available the better the case will be, from different perspectives of the same event, a clearer picture can be made.
We've already been over this, Dilbert.

Remember the synoptic problem?

But if you insist....
Satchmo Banks

Czech Republic

#429731 Dec 26, 2012
He got me! Go figger.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#429732 Dec 26, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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...and what was it you told me when I pointed out that the jesus myth was based in part on the Herculean myth?
Jesus was based on Horus and Mithras. These proceeded the story of jesus, and in some cases by thousands of years.

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#429733 Dec 26, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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Well, that's probably because they were different people with different perspectives and may not have all witnessed the exact same parts of everything.
Please provide chapter and verse references where any of the canonical Gospels claim to be eyewitnesses.

Thanks.

You are familiar, I would think, with the predominant theory in NT studies, known as the Two-Source Theory.

In case you are not, and want to avoid the appearance of ignorance in the future, here is the link from a Christian resource.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/q.cfm

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#429734 Dec 26, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Which other religions did you study IN DEPTH at their places of worship before you chose to be a Christian? How many years did it take you to study all the major religions before choosing Christianity?
I haven't studied all the major religions. My Testimony is available for all to read so I won't go into too many details. Catholicism, Voodoo, Macumba, Mahikari, Paganism, satanism, Atheism, Orthodox Jewish beliefs, bits and pieces of Buddhism and then different branches of Christianity.
Not sure if I've studied them all in depth, except for the ones I lived. I've also read in depth, about many different cults and the psychological weapons they use to deeply hurt and control vulnerable people.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#429735 Dec 26, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you spamming the thread if you're not trying to convert people? Do you not think we've seen this before?
Lol. X wanted proof, I tried to oblige. My you're a feisty one.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#429736 Dec 26, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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The fallacy is in the claim that no ancient evidence exists. This is blatantly dishonest. There is an abundance of evidence showing how the Christ is a creation following the supposed life of Jesus. There is an abundance of evidence showing how this belief varied and changed in early Christianity.
There is no contemporary evidence proving that Jesus was the Christ. There is an abundance of evidence proving that Jesus was not a Jewish messiah. There is an abundance of evidence showing how Christianity rewrote the Jewish requirements for a messiah.
What we will likely receive in reply will be any number of fallacious arguments, which will prove, once again, the dishonesty of Christianity.
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Too bad they--Matthew, Mark, Luke and John--never got together to get their stories straight; each one of them contradicts the other three.
They didn't need to. Each author had his own style, but they all lived in a "high context culture." We live in a "low context culture." That's why the gospels seem foreign to us.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#429737 Dec 26, 2012
Juicylu wrote:
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I haven't studied all the major religions. My Testimony is available for all to read so I won't go into too many details. Catholicism, Voodoo, Macumba, Mahikari, Paganism, satanism, Atheism, Orthodox Jewish beliefs, bits and pieces of Buddhism and then different branches of Christianity.
Not sure if I've studied them all in depth, except for the ones I lived. I've also read in depth, about many different cults and the psychological weapons they use to deeply hurt and control vulnerable people.
You are calling atheism a religion?

Nonbelief in the supernatural is a religion?

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#429738 Dec 26, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, the predominant view of New Testament studies.

"Two-Source Theory: Undoubtedly,this theory has become the most widely accepted theory amongst New Testament scholars today. The reason for its popularity is that it settles the problems that arise with Matthean priority, while confronting the difficulty of double tradition. Under the Two-Source Theory the priority is given to Mark. Both Matthew and Luke separately used Mark as a source. Matthew reproduces the vast majority of Mark, while Luke also incorporates more than half. In addition to using Mark as a source, Matthew and Luke also used a common source called Q."

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