Why I’m no longer a Christian

Since: Mar 09

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#424356 Dec 4, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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According to the New Testament,they were Different because Paul was sent to the Gentiles and Peter, James and John was sent to teach the Jews..
That is a very good explanations as I am sure their teachings were tailored to their audience a bit. Although one still might question why Paul decided to take so much focus off of faith being shown through works and focusing almost solely on grace just because he was teaching the gospel to those who had not heard it before? An easier sell that way? There is evidence in Paul's own writings that sometimes he took the path of least resistance when witnessing.

I am not saying it isn't smart to try to reach people in a way in which they will relate to you best but it makes me wonder. Just seems like some people love the idea they were predestined to be saved and nothing they can do can ever prevent that from happening and that for some people removes all responsibility. I have seen it in effect. Whereas those that understand about finishing the race, and staying in Christ's love and faith without works is dead know faith is more than just being someone that feels they have been picked by God. It is answering a call sent out to all men and living in a way that is obedient to Christ's teachings

Of course people of all beliefs stumble. But I see I a lot more justification where there should be done IMHO on those who focus more on Paul. It would be interesting to know why his message to the Gentiles was slightly different when it is the same gospel?

Any thoughts you has would be much appreciated

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#424357 Dec 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Let's see if I have this straight.
Karl is an obsessed lunatic.
And you have nothing to say to him.
But you proceed to say stuff to him.
What's up with that?
Wow, it is Cathcer, coming in to defend a poster ina conversation he wasn't part of...who could have predicted that??

And I actually missed a post of his. So yes EIGHT posts to someone when none of the posts they made are to you makes someone an obsessed lunatic. Especially when they have a pattern of doing it. ONE post back which is a REPLY to part of the gaggle of posts to me does not make someone obsessed

This has been today's lesson in numbers for Cather

8 is much more than 1

I will let you figure out the difference between a reply to a post made to someone when making that many posts. You need to have everything spelled out for you but quite frankly I don't have the interest.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#424358 Dec 4, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Convicted? I was never even charged!
OK, OK. Dumb joke. Sorry.
I did as you suggest, dozens of times between the ages of 12 and 24 or so. I never felt the presence of anyone or anything whatsoever. There was nothing there but me.
Either the lord speaks to you and ignores me or -- as I suspect -- it's all in your head. There is nothing there but you.
I can always be wrong, though.
Thanks for dropping by.
you are wrong, dearth, because though God is profound He most often deals with us in very natural ways & speaks in the first person singular. i.e., we say to 'ourselves' "i wonder....this must mean...etc" and all the while God's Spirit is attempting to bond with ours.

"those who are joined to the Lord become one spirit" 1 cor 6:10(?)

Since: Mar 09

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#424359 Dec 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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And you have nothing to say to him.
And btw, I am reminding him why I won't proceed further. I think the man is a liar. I have said flat out I think he lied. Someone with integrity would be offended by that I would presume while a liar would simply ignore it.

Karl made a bold claim that all these Christians that "get in his face" should be arrested and put in jail and would be if it were up to him. I think it is important to flush out the insane bigots on your side as well. If you didn't agree why you would just be a hypocrite..again.

I think KArl either made that story up and is a liar or here is a guy so insane that despite posting to Christians as anyone can see, 5-6-7-8 times ina row even though they have not written to him, he would have them arrested and jailed for their response OVER THE INTERNET

So that is what's up with that. I will keep bringing it up every time he posts to me until we get to the bottom of it. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this. Sometimes your ass-kissing others actually helps me clarify my positions:)

Since: Mar 09

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#424360 Dec 4, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Convicted? I was never even charged!
OK, OK. Dumb joke. Sorry.
I did as you suggest, dozens of times between the ages of 12 and 24 or so. I never felt the presence of anyone or anything whatsoever. There was nothing there but me.
Either the lord speaks to you and ignores me or -- as I suspect -- it's all in your head. There is nothing there but you.
I can always be wrong, though.
Thanks for dropping by.
Hey Dearth

Looks like you are around somewhat regular again?

Good to see ya

Lemme just say this. I don't hear voices or claim to have engaged in some type of exchange with God. Some actually do make that claim and I couldn't speak to it as I have no way of knowing.But for me my relationship with God is probably easiest explained through my own conscience and karma. People take it for granted that most have a conscience, some type of inner-voice that balances morality with personal desire. The truth is that some don't have it at all. And some just ignore it. To me, my relationship with God has helped me stay attuned to it. I do things I don't want to personally do because I know it is what God wants me to do. And I don't do things I want to to do for the same reasons.

People also seem to accept the idea of karma without much resistance. That there is some sort of cosmic justice in how things work. You go around screwing people over and eventually that stuff comes home to roost. Basically what people believe it means to reap what you sow. Yes that is more about faith than justice but you get the idea. The point is most people believe life has a way of catching up to you. So why is that idea so easily accepted yet doesn't it make more sense someone would be behind that if it were true?

Sure I could die and find out, dang guess I was wrong about all of it. But there is just too much tied into each other the way this world works and how things in general work for me to believe it is the result of coincidence or chance. Something is behind it. My connection to it is my connection to God. I personally don't think ti is about hearing God's voice IMHO

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#424361 Dec 4, 2012
Edit:

In the interest of full disclosure Karl's claim were that the Christians that "get in his face" and tell him he is going to hell should be arrested for assault and put in jail and would be if it were up to him. Presumably it is the hell part he considered assault?

Hopefully he will take the opportunity to explain if he was verbally accosted in real life and how many times and under what circumstances or if he is talking about the Internet. I think it will be fascinating to find out under what circumstances Karl thinks others should be jailed for free speech, especially if he means online after repeatedly badgering someone.

Karl, do you have the integrity to finally answer? After all, you would take a man's freedom from him yet you can't even be bothered to explain why?

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#424362 Dec 4, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Wow, it is Cathcer, coming in to defend a poster ina conversation he wasn't part of...who could have predicted that??
And I actually missed a post of his. So yes EIGHT posts to someone when none of the posts they made are to you makes someone an obsessed lunatic. Especially when they have a pattern of doing it. ONE post back which is a REPLY to part of the gaggle of posts to me does not make someone obsessed
This has been today's lesson in numbers for Cather
8 is much more than 1
I will let you figure out the difference between a reply to a post made to someone when making that many posts. You need to have everything spelled out for you but quite frankly I don't have the interest.
Since you bring up spelling, it's Catcher--not Cathcer or Cather.

And thanks for your interest.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#424363 Dec 4, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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And btw, I am reminding him why I won't proceed further. I think the man is a liar. I have said flat out I think he lied. Someone with integrity would be offended by that I would presume while a liar would simply ignore it.
Karl made a bold claim that all these Christians that "get in his face" should be arrested and put in jail and would be if it were up to him. I think it is important to flush out the insane bigots on your side as well. If you didn't agree why you would just be a hypocrite..again.
I think KArl either made that story up and is a liar or here is a guy so insane that despite posting to Christians as anyone can see, 5-6-7-8 times ina row even though they have not written to him, he would have them arrested and jailed for their response OVER THE INTERNET
So that is what's up with that. I will keep bringing it up every time he posts to me until we get to the bottom of it. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to explain this. Sometimes your ass-kissing others actually helps me clarify my positions:)
My pleasure.

As you know, my purpose here is to help.

Since: Mar 09

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#424364 Dec 4, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I have no strong objections to any of that.
So I'll just ask, was killing people as witches ever not unethical?
My point is, if I may make one, and get a concession on record if there is one to be had, that killing people as witches, under any religious law, new or old, is and was completely unjustifiable and unethical. Whether you agree with me, or disagree with me, I would like you to do so emphatically and explicitly, and celebrate if we are on the same page.
No it was never ethical IMO to kill a witch

Listen, this is a complicated issue. I am not going to simply blame it on man's understanding as some things seem pretty clear. At the same time we had things terribly wrong as the blood of bulls and goats never forgave sins and we needed the New testament because basically everything we were doing in the first one was wrong.

As a man I would never presume to judge God. Some may think this is a cop-out but it really isn't. If God knew a soul would live for eternity, would he have much hesitation snuffing out one that would live for 70 years if it endangered another soul's immortality? Would you if out in the same situation knowing it also had to do with right or wrong? Maybe a similar situation might be would you kill a 100 year old pedophile if it meant saving the life of a child?

The OT is rough, no doubt. If that was the only part of the Bible it is quite possible I never would have been a Christian. Some Christians don't like me saying that but its the truth. But I also know man's morality and God's morality aren't and don't have to be the same thing because God sees things we can not.

But for me, as a man, was it always wrong to kill witches? Yes

Since: Mar 09

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#424365 Dec 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Since you bring up spelling, it's Catcher--not Cathcer or Cather.
And thanks for your interest.
I didn't bring up spelling, I brought up numbers

And I see in spell check when I spell your name incorrectly as I type fast and sometimes it leads to errors, I simply don't care enough to correct it:)

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#424366 Dec 4, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Now that I think of it, they did.
That explains it....
Just clean it up if they crap in Cassini's Divide. It confuses astronomers.

Since: Mar 09

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#424367 Dec 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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My pleasure.
As you know, my purpose here is to help.
And sometimes, by complete accident, you actually do:)

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#424368 Dec 4, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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I see that WN moved back in with you so I will back off!
You can come to visit anytime you want though...and bring the dogs...I have one of my own.
What Nymph said.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#424369 Dec 4, 2012
Catcher1 wrote:
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Let's see if I have this straight.
Karl is an obsessed lunatic.
And you have nothing to say to him.
But you proceed to say stuff to him.
What's up with that?
Dissociative Personality Disorder.

Not a bad diagnosis for any fundie - on some level, they have to know that they're dealing in fantasy.

Since: Mar 09

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#424370 Dec 4, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Evolution doesn't produce "better" offspring, only more likely to have survivung offspring. In a sense, crocodiles are "better" than humans as they have lasted millions of years longer than humans without changing much.
Evolution does not produce human intelligence. Pur intelligence is simply the result that in the given situations of our ancestors it helped them keep from becoming extinct.
Rule ONE of evolution:
If your parents didn't have children, you won't either.
<smile> Peace, Skom!
Thanks G

Will try to catch up with you somewhere. Think I am done for now until I go in.

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#424371 Dec 4, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Dissociative Personality Disorder.
Not a bad diagnosis for any fundie - on some level, they have to know that they're dealing in fantasy.
Oh mac

Nobody thinks i am a fundie

If your head was any further up W_N's ass you could eat with the same fork

As it is I see you continued to make more posts to me. Why don't you try getting your obsessed "girlfriend" to figure out there is no point in posting to me because I won't be replying. Just put it in the memo line when you send her a check. I have seen guitars get played less than you.

You should have stayed out of it mac.

Since: Mar 09

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#424372 Dec 4, 2012
edit mac

I see "W_N" continued to make more posts to me, not "you"

Although you really should have stayed on the sidelines considering I was doing her the courtesy of not responding. If you want to get embarrassed again because of her be my guest. I am done coddling you out of respect for a past friendship.

Let's talk real talk. How many times a year do you see W-N? One or two? Yet you guys claim to be dating. Interesting. Based on what? And I wonder who benefits most from allowing you to think that?

And you say I am living in fantasy?

Hilarious

Since: Mar 09

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#424373 Dec 4, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>What Nymph said.
That could be your byline

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#424377 Dec 4, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Oh mac
Nobody thinks i am a fundie
If your head was any further up W_N's ass you could eat with the same fork
As it is I see you continued to make more posts to me. Why don't you try getting your obsessed "girlfriend" to figure out there is no point in posting to me because I won't be replying. Just put it in the memo line when you send her a check. I have seen guitars get played less than you.
You should have stayed out of it mac.
No, Skom, I stopped speaking to you some time ago.

My post was to someone else, and you're butting in.

I seem to have noticed - could it have been just earlier today?- that you berated others for doing that.

Now I'm back to not talking to you. I just wanted to clear that up.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#424378 Dec 4, 2012
Some Stoner Dude wrote:
o shit, what did i just do???
I'll pretend you didn't, if you promise not to do it again...

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