Why I知 no longer a Christian

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Nov 29, 2012
 
Skombolis wrote:
Tide..cont...Jesus also finished in Matthew after explaining we must love our enemy that we also must forgive others if we want our Father in heaven to forgive us. Now it is true that Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law (old testament-mosaic law) but to fulfill it. He did so when he gave up his spirit on the cross and his last words were "it is finished". Now Christians who first received the Holy Spirit at Anotoch after the Crucifixtion were under the New Testament and the two greates commandments..love God and love thy neighbor. The Christians in salem in the 1700s were under the NT and had no right to burn witches. So understaning we follow the NT is why Christians should know they have no biblical justification to do anything but love. And Jesus said in the book of John he remains in his fathers love by being obedient and for us to remain in his we must also be obedient.(T) PEACE
I have no strong objections to any of that.

So I'll just ask, was killing people as witches ever not unethical?

My point is, if I may make one, and get a concession on record if there is one to be had, that killing people as witches, under any religious law, new or old, is and was completely unjustifiable and unethical. Whether you agree with me, or disagree with me, I would like you to do so emphatically and explicitly, and celebrate if we are on the same page.

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Nov 29, 2012
 
Skombolis wrote:
Edit x....thought of something else I wanted to ask. Also is there any way someone could remain under Mosaic Law and still follow the teachings of Christ such as turn the other cheek, do not judge or condemn, forgive to be forgiven, and love and pray for your enemy? That is why I think His death had to usher in a new age.(T) PEACE
Well, frankly, his death, as portrayed in the canonical gospels, had to usher out one culture and make way for another.

Ya just can't sell kosher to gentiles.

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Nov 29, 2012
 
Skombolis wrote:
Hiding....i think I understand the distinctions you are making. although I had a question. if it is a survival instinct, how can it not be considered an improvement? wouldnt by definition anything that was spurred on to ensure survival be an improvement? or are you saying that while survival may have been the initiqal catalyst there is no guarantee evolution will result in a better species and some species while trying tol evolve to survive might in actuality evolve into something more suceptible to extinction?
Evolution doesn't produce "better" offspring, only more likely to have survivung offspring. In a sense, crocodiles are "better" than humans as they have lasted millions of years longer than humans without changing much.

Evolution does not produce human intelligence. Pur intelligence is simply the result that in the given situations of our ancestors it helped them keep from becoming extinct.

Rule ONE of evolution:
If your parents didn't have children, you won't either.

<smile> Peace, Skom!

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hi there! you're not by any chance judging me & trying to force your standards of morality on me all the while you accuse me of doing that to you again, are you? how do hypocrites live with themselves???
you do not have standards, boy

you are a whoremonger

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<quoted text>Congress voted to include Viagra and other ED drugs under Medicare! Just what we need...a bunch of geezers walking around on 'hard' drugs to have sex with women who can't get birth control, because you know that was for their wives' sake (NOT).
That makes perfect sense, right?
them old boys with the Viagra, aint goin to have no sex with anyone young enough to get pregers

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Tide....not even sure what the game is you think would even be a possibility but I can assure you I am talking from the heart.
I consider all of Topix a game. Everyone seems to be playing by rules, calling fouls based on THEIR rules, cheating based on THEIR rules, but I haven't seen anybody do much in the way of congratulating the winners. It's because we're playing by different rules. I know when I win and lose. I keep track, sort of. I learn from it. I refine my rules, make them harder. I lost a small game today. My "offensive" post was a foul based on my rules. If I had made it more outlandish, by my rules, it would have been okay. It would have been more playful and obvious, that I was not attempting to be crass or rude, I was just attempting to make a point using shock value as the carrier.

I also play the insult game, the word play game, the mental gymnastic game, the pointed question game, the unanswerable question game, the sock mimicry game, the insult with youtube game, and some more that I can't remember.

For the record, I'm paying the debate game, which has the strictest rules. I'll try to be civil and avoid insults, explicit or implied. I'll avoid logical fallacies, laziness, and several other things when I'm playing the debate game.
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It is not that I dont think others can have a change of heart, in fact I specifically said some may feel how they do because they lack the necesarry experience or information that would help them see otherwise. and what you are talking about is someone teaching u hate. that is different than what I was talking about.
I wasn't taught to hate homosexuals. I was just taught that it was immoral and abnormal. For a teen, or many adults, this is enough to cause prejudicial behavior. I was also pretty prejudicial with what I considered to be slutty girls. That was wrong too. I think perhaps there aren't a lot of people preaching a tolerant version of Christianity. I don't have a problem with a love-based Christianity. I just don't see much of it.
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I am saying nobody entering the faith imo who simply read the Bible and came to their own conclusions would suddenly turn bigot if they understood and wanted to follow the commandments of Christ. Sure if someone used the Bible to teach u to be homophobic or bigoted that was wrong but nothing in the nt would have allowed them to do that. and can ppl have a change of heart? sure. I did so y not others. I am saying I dont think until them someone is immoral because they sincerely believe homosexuality is an act peoploe shouldnt engage in. Ppl can say they think they ..cont
Having a majority demographic like Christians in America publicly endorsing the idea that homosexuality is inherently wrong/immoral is enough to cause irrevocable damage. It's peer pressure on a large scale. Even if the proactive bigotry stopped, endorsement of the core belief of homosexuality as sin will still cause damage. If I need to illustrate the point, I can. Let me know.

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Jesus vs. Christianity
Matthew 5:17-20
船o not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
If one takes Jesus at his word, yup. Heaven and Earth are still here so the Law still stands.

Now if you want to get out of the law then claim it is figurative. <smile>

Seems to me that almost all Abrahamic religions want to play word games with what they claim is "The Word of God" and that God was such a pitiful author.

Then too, those who take The Law at its word are called evil by Christians and Jews. I am refering to those cultures that embrace Torah Law (AKA Sharia)

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them old boys with the Viagra, aint goin to have no sex with anyone young enough to get pregers
I'm almost 60 and spent the weekend with a 26 year old. May-December relationships are not uncommon, Ask Hef.

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Tide...ppl can say they are wrong and disagree with them. But if a person with no malicious forethought cant help that they think it is wrong I dont think that qualifies them as immoral, especially if they say even though they disagree with it that everyone is deserving of love, respect, and equal treatment under the law. I just dont think we can hold someone morally accountable under tghat scenario.And if someone does truly feel God doesnt want us to do it but also knows God says love everyone and leave the judging to Him then I dont think they have done anything wrong. Bigots however and those who promote bigotry are immoral imo(T) PEACE
Imagine if you were a minority demographic, let's say the demographic of bald men, and the majority demographic, men with hair, all held the belief that going bald was a sign of stupidity. Now imagine you are a teenager that goes bald prematurely, maybe the only bald teen in your school. You're stupid because you're bald. You can try to fake it, put on a wig of luscious hair, but everyone already knows you're bald. You can't choose to have hair. You can try to pray the bald away, but it doesn't work. You start to believe you really are stupid because everyone believes that to be the case. I don't think baldness is a sign of stupidity, in fact, I stand out in opposition of this belief. I'm not even bald. For every person that says baldness is a sign of stupidity, I point out that holding that belief is a sign of irony.

I don't know if that was good at all, as I am getting sleepy and my arms are hurting from power typing.

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Well, frankly, his death, as portrayed in the canonical gospels, had to usher out one culture and make way for another.
Ya just can't sell kosher to gentiles.
It is easier to sell matzha balls in Rome than bacon in Jerusalem. That is why Paul succeeded where James failed.

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Tide with Beach wrote:
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I consider all of Topix a game. Everyone seems to be playing by rules, calling fouls based on THEIR rules, cheating based on THEIR rules, but I haven't seen anybody do much in the way of congratulating the winners. It's because we're playing by different rules. I know when I win and lose. I keep track, sort of. I learn from it. I refine my rules, make them harder. I lost a small game today. My "offensive" post was a foul based on my rules. If I had made it more outlandish, by my rules, it would have been okay. It would have been more playful and obvious, that I was not attempting to be crass or rude, I was just attempting to make a point using shock value as the carrier.
I also play the insult game, the word play game, the mental gymnastic game, the pointed question game, the unanswerable question game, the sock mimicry game, the insult with youtube game, and some more that I can't remember.
For the record, I'm paying the debate game, which has the strictest rules. I'll try to be civil and avoid insults, explicit or implied. I'll avoid logical fallacies, laziness, and several other things when I'm playing the debate game.
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I wasn't taught to hate homosexuals. I was just taught that it was immoral and abnormal. For a teen, or many adults, this is enough to cause prejudicial behavior. I was also pretty prejudicial with what I considered to be slutty girls. That was wrong too. I think perhaps there aren't a lot of people preaching a tolerant version of Christianity. I don't have a problem with a love-based Christianity. I just don't see much of it.
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Having a majority demographic like Christians in America publicly endorsing the idea that homosexuality is inherently wrong/immoral is enough to cause irrevocable damage. It's peer pressure on a large scale. Even if the proactive bigotry stopped, endorsement of the core belief of homosexuality as sin will still cause damage. If I need to illustrate the point, I can. Let me know.
Really great, Tide.

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It is easier to sell matzha balls in Rome than bacon in Jerusalem. That is why Paul succeeded where James failed.
Fair enough.

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You do understand how words and sentences work right? You read from left to right and read consecutively. I ask because it is like somehow you read my entire post and didn't understand a single word of what I said.
The Bible does not allow for hate or singling out sins.
I would answer your questions again but the best way I know how is just how I did so in my last post, which it seems you don't understand so I guess we are at an impasse.
outside of being an uneducated and belligerent religitard, you have a private god based upon private interpretation of the christian documents, some of which you accept and others which you reject.

Is there some other person in the world,(who is not your sock) who ascribes to your interpretations?

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If you actually adopt the philosophy you claim, how is it that you have not decried any of the homophobic hate posts seen here, of those who claim to belong to the very same philosophy as do you; namely christian?

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well PCism won in our latest election so the proof will be what kind of freedoms the US will lose to the 'collective cause' within the next 4 years.
keep your obama 2012 bumper stickers on your hybrids so freedom lovers will know how to find you!
Yes I watch that election with pleasure

After 8 years of shame, America elected a man of honor, it was very nice to see that America strives for integrity, and has re-elected that man of honor

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Skombolis wrote:
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But let's just take snakes. Other than losing their limbs, what reason is there to believe they are still evolving?
And don't give my response from my last post to you back to me because I went over everything you said am am asking for parts you still did not address. There is nothing in the post to show why we have any reason to believe humans haven't simply adapted to their environment, especially since evolution takes millions of years and we can't follow it sequentially.
all living organisms are evolving, most will become extict, because some factor in their enviroment will change faster than a reponse is possible.

Genetics change for a long list of reasons, if times are good, there will develop a range or variety of representations of the organism,(as long as they can breed together, they may be considered the same species), at some point there will occur a change and times may become difficult, at that point any representations which cannot survive will die, the remnants, if there are any, represent the selection.(keep in mind that "fitness" is relative to specific conditions, and the survivors might be ridiculous, and not survive the next challenge.

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Can you provide one single reason other than you believe it to be the case that would demonstrate there is a reason to believe evolution is ongoing?
It takes millions of years for a single change. You can't follow it sequentially. At least we don't have the information at this point too. You have no way of predicting what the next change will be in millions of years or from what I can see, any reason to say it is a certainty there will be one. What is it you see that allows you to confidently say humans will continue to evolve or what information are you basing that on?
Perhaps I am not understanding but it seems to me you simply believe that to be the case but there is no possible way that I can see that anyone can know something like that.
you advance only apologetic for your lack of understanding

at once you are an articulate speaker, and a baffoon.

one is driven to conclude your lack of understanding is deliberate, not a function of low intellect, but rather a defense of your psyche.

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You are claiming these are proven facts?
Aren't you the one that said science doesn't prove facts?
But suddenly when you want to say evolution is ongoing it is?
Don't link books to me I can't read online. I am sure you didn't come up with your belief because of those books either.
Just explain it in simple laymen terms. How can you know evolution doesn't stop at some point?
There is no way you can know that. That is a fact.
wipe your tears

genetic mutation is ongoing, there is a huge list of causes, most if not all, are not going away, life itself drives some. As long as there is genetic drift and a "changing environment" there will be evolution.(environment in this context is not simply weather and food supply, but all those conditions that are (regularly) encountered while alive)

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Skombolis wrote:
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I feel sorry for you that you think someone can't feel what someone does is wrong without hating that person or hypocritically judging them.
you are wrong

your beliefs are immoral

your religion is a joke

you are a bigot and an idiot

and I love you

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<quoted text>I think Jesus was referring to adultery, not saying that only marriage between a man and a woman is acceptable. And Jesus didn't differentiate. He never mentions _anything_ about the subject, but you can read that into it if you like.
it is difficult to credit jesus condemning homosexuality, as he was gay himself

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<quoted text>Hey LS...i know it has other uses but the main use and the result regardless would be preventing pregnancy during sex. Some religious circles feel sex should be not simply for base pleasure but should include the potential for life. While personally I dont agree and think they have misinterpreted scripture that is very situation-specific when it says 'go forth and multiply' I do think regardless they a have a right to adhere to this so long as their entire organization claims to subscribe to the same belief. what they cant do is have non-religious or other forms of religious employess who dont believe this and deny them coverage. It is a fair distinction imo
like other citizens, they need obey the laws of their nation.

America should tax the churches and pay off the national debt

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