Why I’m no longer a Christian

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#423599 Nov 30, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Well done! How long have you been seeing her?
A week.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

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#423600 Nov 30, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Tide...i probably didnt explain that as well as I could of but you did hit on part of it when you said the key is to knowing the entire Bible. The verse about suffering no witch to live is in the Old Testament which is when we were under Mosaic Law. When Christ died on the Cross the Bible said he freed us from the curse of law. We are now in what is commonly known as The Age of Grace in which all commandments fall under the umbrella of what is known as the Two Greatest Commandments which are love God and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus went on to explain what it means to love your neighbor in the parable of the Good Samritan. He also expanded on it. He said you have been taught love your neighbor and hate youjr enemy but I tell you to love ur enemy. That even sinners love those who love them back so one has accomplished nothing by doing this. It is by loving and praying even for our enemies do we remain obedient. Now it shows throughout Galatians, Hebrews, and John we are now under the NT..cont
Well, I have some serious questions about this post.

It is my understanding that you are saying in your post above that it was the 'right' of the Israelites to kill witches right up to the moment of a new covenant. Then, it was not a 'right'.

The Jews do not accept a new covenant, as the God of the OT says that his laws will stand 'until the end of time', and yet they were not killing witches until 300 years ago in the US and up till this very day in other countries.

I understand that you see this practice as abhorrent, as well should you and everyone else in the world.

But I am amazed at the number of people who also believe in this 'new covenant' who still quote the OT when it comes to proving a point. Maybe they don't misunderstand this new covenant, but ignore it when it's convenient.
wonambi

Middlesboro, KY

#423601 Nov 30, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>It seems that you really can interpret the Bible any way you like and to say anything you wish it to say.
Rewriting it to make it more palatable than it really is seems to be quite popular here of late.
and this too is a belief. must be another one of those you don't consider too personal?

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Since: Aug 07

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#423602 Nov 30, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
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The Bible also says to kill witches, but I guess on balance you can cancel that out with some other verse. So the key to interpreting the Bible is knowing the whole thing, canceling out contradictions and tallying up the winners? I'm just askin'.
If I was an average guy in Salem during the witch trials, and I was walking around reading my Bible, and I tripped on something, and looked up, and saw an old ugly lady stirring a huge pot, giving me the evil eye, and I got up and looked down at my Bible, and just happened to read, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.", I'd be like, "Oh yeah, you're gonna get it now. You tripped me witch!"
The best way to control how someone interprets words is to be explicit and precise. Surely I would put some blame on the interpreters, the ones that killed the witches, but I would also hold responsible any person who passes this off as "safe advice". Don't give idiots a Bible, or kids, or anyone who isn't already against witch burning, just to be safe. If you have to give them something, give them something error-free. The Bible ain't it.
I've kinda gone off on a tangent, but you've made the point, correct me if I'm wrong, that there are "good" interpretations, and "bad" interpretations. I think we can go a bit further than that, and throw out the idea that homosexuality is a sin. We (Christian society) have thrown out the flat circle Earth idea. We (American Christians at least) have thrown out the witch burning idea. I'll hold the waste basket for you. Dunk it.
Also, I found it very enlightening to see who you think should have a Bible and who shouldn't. I think most ministers would disagree with you limiting the number and types of people who can own a Bible.

You interpret the Bible differently than others. Do you not realize that they may see you as the one who is incorrect and want to take your Bible away from you to keep you from teaching others your version?

Just who is to decide if these people are an idiot or not?

What would you give them that is 'error-free'?

Why is the word of God not error-free?

So many questions that I'll never see answered because there are no answers.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#423603 Nov 30, 2012
In North America, the term frequently refers to Wiccans -- the followers of the Wiccan religion. According to the Scofield Reference Bible this verse was written in the year 1491 BCE. This is some 650 years before the origin of the Celtic people from whom the oldest elements of Wicca were taken. So Exodus 22:18 can hardly be referring to Wiccans.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#423604 Nov 30, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I have some serious questions about this post.
It is my understanding that you are saying in your post above that it was the 'right' of the Israelites to kill witches right up to the moment of a new covenant. Then, it was not a 'right'.
The Jews do not accept a new covenant, as the God of the OT says that his laws will stand 'until the end of time', and yet they were not killing witches until 300 years ago in the US and up till this very day in other countries.
I understand that you see this practice as abhorrent, as well should you and everyone else in the world.
But I am amazed at the number of people who also believe in this 'new covenant' who still quote the OT when it comes to proving a point. Maybe they don't misunderstand this new covenant, but ignore it when it's convenient.
According to the Sanhedrin records in the Talmud, Jesus, Matthew and three other disciples were "witches" and executed by the Romans.
bheithir

Middlesboro, KY

#423605 Nov 30, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
In North America, the term frequently refers to Wiccans -- the followers of the Wiccan religion. According to the Scofield Reference Bible this verse was written in the year 1491 BCE. This is some 650 years before the origin of the Celtic people from whom the oldest elements of Wicca were taken. So Exodus 22:18 can hardly be referring to Wiccans.
why can't people be consistent and call it what it is? why so many terms and verbiage for the same thing?
lindworm

Middlesboro, KY

#423606 Nov 30, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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it is difficult to credit jesus condemning homosexuality, as he was gay himself
you speaking from experience or belief?

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Since: Aug 07

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#423607 Nov 30, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Tide....not even sure what the game is you think would even be a possibility but I can assure you I am talking from the heart. It is not that I dont think others can have a change of heart, in fact I specifically said some may feel how they do because they lack the necesarry experience or information that would help them see otherwise. and what you are talking about is someone teaching u hate. that is different than what I was talking about. I am saying nobody entering the faith imo who simply read the Bible and came to their own conclusions would suddenly turn bigot if they understood and wanted to follow the commandments of Christ. Sure if someone used the Bible to teach u to be homophobic or bigoted that was wrong but nothing in the nt would have allowed them to do that. and can ppl have a change of heart? sure. I did so y not others. I am saying I dont think until them someone is immoral because they sincerely believe homosexuality is an act peoploe shouldnt engage in. Ppl can say they think they ..cont
Most Christians *are* homophobic. While I agree that it's wrong, I do not agree that the Bible is not the source of homophobic thinking.

Most Christians would disagree with _you_ on this issue. I realize that you take a much gentler approach to this subject, but it seems that you are in the minority. You think it's a 'sin', but you don't think on a personal basis that it's wrong (as I understand what you've written) to the extent that most Christians take it.

What I see happening in Christianity now is trying to excuse away the actions of some Christians by saying 'they don't understand the Bible' essentially rewriting the Bible to be less objectionable.

When you have to rewrite it, it can only mean one thing: you think God made mistakes in the OT and had to make up for it by sending his son to correct those mistakes.

When God said his laws would be good to the end of time, he must not have been able to see the future and what it would take to correct some of those laws.

Jesus taught the Torah. He taught his followers to obey the Torah. Then, according to Christians, he suddenly changed his mind at the last supper and made a new covenant with them and they no longer had to obey the Torah...the laws that were supposed to be in place forever? I personally do not think so.
stoorworm

Middlesboro, KY

#423608 Nov 30, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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According to the Sanhedrin records in the Talmud, Jesus, Matthew and three other disciples were "witches" and executed by the Romans.
thats interesting! why would romans execute witches for the sanhedrin? augery and consulting oracles was prevalent all over the roman empire.

even joshua would have been the oracle for moses.

1 Samuel 9:9
(Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)

Exodus 24:13
13 And Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua: and Moses went up into the mount of God.

Exodus 33:11
And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

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#423609 Nov 30, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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The Hebrew version (the original from 500 BC) says to kill astrologers and fortune tellers. Most likely a dig at their Babylonian cousins and recent (500BC) antagonists who were famous for astrological prophecies.
Now, how many Christians visit "fortune tellers" and read their horoscopes while foaming at the mouth about "witches".
If it wasn't so real and hateful it would be hilarious hypocricy.
There ya go.

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#423610 Nov 30, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
Jesus vs. Christianity
Matthew 5:17-20
‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
I'm sure someone will soon correct this and say what Jesus 'actually said' wasn't what he meant.

He came to fulfill the law of the Torah, but the Torah has been butchered in order to make him the Christ and therefore nullifies his own teachings.

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Since: Aug 07

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#423611 Nov 30, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Does that mean I have to remove this cotton/poly uniform?
How about the Kevlar/nylon body armor?
Ooops! You're in deep doo-doo.

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#423612 Nov 30, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Edit x....thought of something else I wanted to ask. Also is there any way someone could remain under Mosaic Law and still follow the teachings of Christ such as turn the other cheek, do not judge or condemn, forgive to be forgiven, and love and pray for your enemy? That is why I think His death had to usher in a new age.(T) PEACE
Many Jews do it every day of their lives, and some Christians do. Most Christians do not. So what good did it do for Jesus to die other than to give a few people on the earth an escape route?

And before you get on your high horse and reprimand me for answering a post not addressed to me...

You're on an open forum. If you want a private conversation you have to do it by some other means.
nachash

Middlesboro, KY

#423613 Nov 30, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>There ya go.
hmmm, even stranger because the whole chapter of genesis 49 is an astrological prophecy.
monai

Middlesboro, KY

#423614 Nov 30, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I'm sure someone will soon correct this and say what Jesus 'actually said' wasn't what he meant.
He came to fulfill the law of the Torah, but the Torah has been butchered in order to make him the Christ and therefore nullifies his own teachings.
ya got to read the entrails/innard workings

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

everbody has a darkside

Revelation 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

hehehehe

daddy's home!!!

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#423615 Nov 30, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Hey dude! How are things with the rich and famous?
Yo Lightbeam!

Going like a boeing, and you's?

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Since: Aug 07

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#423616 Nov 30, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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According to the Sanhedrin records in the Talmud, Jesus, Matthew and three other disciples were "witches" and executed by the Romans.
Interesting. I hadn't seen this before. Do you have a resource you can give me for these records?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#423617 Nov 30, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I'm sure someone will soon correct this and say what Jesus 'actually said' wasn't what he meant.
He came to fulfill the law of the Torah, but the Torah has been butchered in order to make him the Christ and therefore nullifies his own teachings.
Exactly.

Nostrodamian apologetics, nothing more.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#423618 Nov 30, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting. I hadn't seen this before. Do you have a resource you can give me for these records?
Babylonian Talmud:
Tractate Sanhedrin
Folio 43a

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