Why I’m no longer a Christian

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423307 Nov 29, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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The myth of Hercules--the son of Zeus and his Twelve Labors--is several thousand years older than your jesus and his alleged twelve apostles.
Where do you think the jesus idea came from?
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I repeat: The myth of Hercules--the son of Zeus and his Twelve Labors--is several thousand years older than your jesus and his alleged twelve apostles. Are you attempting to deny what you know is real and true?
It sure looks like it!
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And your ignorance is indescribable.
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How 'bout you address what I posted? Oh, wait; you don't *want* to, because you know I'm right and you can't bring your misogynistic self to admit it.
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Your religion reminds me of that old magician's saying: "People *want* to be fooled, so let's fool 'em."
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I don't answer to your kangaroo court.
"How 'bout you address what I posted?"

we have nothing to discuss, sweetheart; nothing personal:)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423308 Nov 29, 2012
NoStress4me wrote:
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OK. So in your own opinion, what does it mean to be justified by faith in Jesus?
Have you heard the saying that works are the fruit of faith? They are not the means to God, but the outcome of a faith based life in my honest opinion. Jesus did not simply preach his message, he lived it, and by doing so in my opinion he became (as intended) the living example of what faith and God’s love can do in and for our own lives. To me receiving Christ as your Savior and placing your faith in God is only one part of what it is to be a Christian.
I do not think that faith alone put the above examples(…etc) in God‘s favor. I believe that it was the actions they chose to take based on their personal faith in God, that earned his favor. Let me explain my own view from a different direction if I may. The Bible says that faith is a gift from God, so why would God favor us for simply having a gift given to us? I believe that what we personally choose do with our gift, is just as important as the receiving of it.
hi!

works are of course the fruit of faith! IMO there's much more emphasis on works though than there is in the Gospel of Christ & the regeneration of the spirit in most of christendom so i choose to preach the Gospel and let the fruit come naturally rather than by compulsion.

know why there's more emphasis on works/the fruit than there is on Christ/the Root? cuz even those who haven't been born-again can rally around community services, but they can't be passionate about Jesus.....

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#423309 Nov 29, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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you mean how unless i'm conformed into the skeptic's way of thinking i won't be accepted by you?
as much as i like you, that's a deal-breaker for me:(
not what i said at all.

why must you be dishonest?????

that's a deal breaker for me.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423310 Nov 29, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Here you go, condemning people for being born as they are - and including homosexuality in a list of problems.
It's not a problem, it's not a disorder. The disorder is in your head; religion has made you a hater of people whose only difference is to enjoy sexual relationships differently than you. This is a serious flaw in your religion - it promotes hate here, it promotes divisiveness and enables you to marginalize and hurt people who aren't like you.
How can you not see that as morally corrupt?
i can see that we've been born morally corrupt and that's why we need to be born-again.

can you NOT see this??? read your local paper.....

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423311 Nov 29, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Here you go, condemning people for being born as they are - and including homosexuality in a list of problems.
It's not a problem, it's not a disorder. The disorder is in your head; religion has made you a hater of people whose only difference is to enjoy sexual relationships differently than you. This is a serious flaw in your religion - it promotes hate here, it promotes divisiveness and enables you to marginalize and hurt people who aren't like you.
How can you not see that as morally corrupt?
BTW- PC-personificationist, you; i don't condemn anybody, but i also don't condone everything. PCers like yourself condone everything accept true godliness & your type has been responsible for the fall of every civilization!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#423312 Nov 29, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Many people who aren't Christian don't seem to understand how science works either. It is why they say things that evolution (in regards to Evolution Theory) is a proven fact. You and I know science doesn't work like that and it takes known information and from that comes up with the most probable explanations. Personally I don't either way as I think Genesis is metaphorical and believe God got life started and whether he did it instantly or through evolution makes no difference to me. But it does bug me when I see people act condescending while saying things like evolution is a proven fact when it certainly is not. And we just saw this elsewhere and it is pretty common.
Although I did still have a question I don't think we got back to. What is the difference in your opinion between evolution and adaptation and how can one be sure what is considered evolution is not simply adaptation? After all, isn't evolution in a way simply a genetic adaptation? So how can we be sure, if evolution takes millions of years and there are huge gaps in what we know of the process, that these changes are in fact part of a constant starte of evolution and not just adaptation?
(T) Peace
Evolution happens, things evolve, don't need much more for it to be a fact than that. You just provided solid evidence that you know nothing of science, or what a scientific theory is, nor what evolution itself is. You have a lot of learning, because you can't even get the basics correct. We see things evolve all the time, if you deny that then you deny reality.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#423313 Nov 29, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible stays on the 'best seller' list because so many churches purchase copies to give away and no other reason.
Using book sales as a reason to believe is rather inane, don't you think?
i read somewhere that only 3 out of ten bibles [that are purchased] are actually read.

someone on here also pointed out that up until recently the gideons were responsible for the sales quota.

but since muslims and hindus own a large amount of motels these days, motel rooms don't always carry a copy.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423314 Nov 29, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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It can be disgusting for you as a person. That's not a problem. No one cares or wants to know how you personally feel about someone else's sex life. The problem happens when you use your religion to condemn someone else - suddenly, you've maligned your religion, you're failing to understanding non-heteros, and you're just spreading hatred. Hint: none of those are good.
1 more time: I DON'T CONDEMN ANYBODY!!!

will you please stop condemning christianity?:)

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#423315 Nov 29, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Do you know what the purposes are for each man using Viagra for sex? I don't. How would a company oppose it? On what grounds? Would they have to run personal checks on each employee to see if they are married and then conduct interviews to see if people volunteer whether or not they are having sex for procreation purposes? It would be pretty much impossible to try to oppose it when they have no proof it is being used in violation of church beliefs. If you
Why do you care? You are no longer in the church. It only affects church members. If women wish to belong to an organization that teaches against sex for recreation and do it anyway then that is their choice. But they can hardly expect their church to pay for it.
Have you interviewed each woman to know why she seeks contraceptives?

So you see it ask okay for the government to intervene and make Medicare pay for Viagra (government stepping in to force employers to contribute to something whether they believe in it or not) but it's not okay for government to intervene in birth control issues?

It is not just about women, though that is the main focus. It is about government getting in the lives of citizens.

But, men don't see anything at all wrong with the government forcing Medicare to pay for their ED drugs (which raises the cost of Medicare for all of us..yes, even women) but those same men will stand up and scream about contraceptives.

I don't know if you are purposefully overlooking that, or if you're just dancing around it.

I have not argued that people should pay for something they don't believe in. In fact, I've done just the opposite. My problem still lies in the inequality of how our government treats men and women on almost every level.

If you care to address the issue I raised in my post of whether or not it's right for government to make people pay for something they don't believe in, ACROSS THE BOARD, where any issue of sexual activity is concerned, then I am open to hearing your opinion. Right now, it seems that you are in favor of government stepping in and forcing all of us who pay for Medicare to share the costs of ED drugs for men.

Whether or not I am in church is not the issue. I didn't pay into medicare all those years to pay for ED drugs. Contraceptives keep babies who are not wanted from coming into this world. People who don't have the money to raise another child use these drugs more than any other sector of the country. They don't want another child for many reasons. Financial, emotional, and physical items come under the list of reasons. No one should have to explain why they don't want children. No one should be forced not to have children OR have them because their husband/boyfriend doesn't want to use a condom. The only way to 'enforce' the use of contraceptives is to force everyone to pay for it through insurance premiums. That is no more right than forcing everyone to pay for ED drugs. There just seems to be a disconnect for men when it comes to this issue.

I think people in this country have become so blind that they do not see their freedoms slipping away at an astonishing rate. And I also see that people do not consider what is right when it comes to gender. Gender bias is alive and well.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423316 Nov 29, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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This post to you is written with sincerity...not to represent anyone's view but mine...
I do not write to you the things that I do because of what you believe in nor that it is different than my own beliefs. I write to make you think...to make you dig in to your scripture...to understand it.
My problem with you is that IMO you have a way of making your faith and the scripture that you try to use against us seem slimy and sleazy. You turn a "God loves you" into what seems like a come on to pick up women.
You say that it is just "your sense of humor"...I just can not find using the words written in that book as "humor"...especially when it is used to harass or "pick up" someone.
I don't care if you are Christian...or if you are not. However...when one professes to believe then I am uncomfortable with that person using scripture in such a slimy way. Having left the faith but retaining the parts that I once and still do believe in...I just find it apalling how you use it to behave so slimy.
At times you bring God/Jesus down to your level...a pervert slime bucket...all just to maintain "your sense of humor".
I do not dislike you because you claim to be Christian...I dislike you for how you use your faith...to belittle...condemn...and to further your agenda.
I don't know how Kaitlin feels...I don't know her...maybe she enjoys your posts...I do not know. Yet when I read your posts to her...using God/Jesus/scripture to try and get in to her panties...I am sick at my stomach...as if I had just read some porn site. I find them sleazy and slimy.
I just find no "humor" in how you use your faith.
You might not like what I have written...but it is sincere...honest...and just my opinion.
Annie - the entire premise of your letter is that because i confess God & defend my faith, i'm not allowed to have a personality or freedoms to talk about anything else like you and others can. i REJECT that!

YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#423317 Nov 29, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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BTW- PC-personificationist, you; i don't condemn anybody, but i also don't condone everything. PCers like yourself condone everything accept true godliness & your type has been responsible for the fall of every civilization!
Such a blind and baseless assertion you have there, perhaps, you have evidence to back this up, even a tiny bit of evidence?

From the stand of actual history, based in reality, religion seems to be the cause of almost all civilization collapses, in almost all points in history. The most common reason for a civilization to collapse is a "holy" war, in which a dominate religion likes to wipe out the lesser religions, which destabilizes the region and ultimately leads to the collapse of the regime which started the war in the first place.

Now for you "PC" assertion, yeah, this one's easy. "Godliness" is what dictators are, they control the lives of everyone and who dies. They control who gets what and for whatever reason they desire. So you are saying that not wanting to be a dictator is a bad thing, you are a horrible person.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423318 Nov 29, 2012
love_spell wrote:
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not what i said at all.
why must you be dishonest?????
that's a deal breaker for me.
well than tell me what i need to apologize AGAIN for:)

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#423319 Nov 29, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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*You* don't get to make that call.
what that jackass for jesus means:

never a christurd like him.

that is a compliment.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#423320 Nov 29, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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true godliness
Does that exist? I have not seen it. I have known a few (oh so very few) that might have displayed a bit of "true doliness" but even they have failed to live that on a consistent basis.
your type has been responsible for the fall of every civilization!
Obviously...Not only do you not read and study your Bible you have also not spent much time reading and studying history.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#423321 Nov 29, 2012
okay...not sure how "godliness" became "doliness" but oh well...

either way...I have seen neither.

Since: Mar 09

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#423322 Nov 29, 2012
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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So you are claiming that the Christian disparaging of homosexuality is in error? They made a mistake?
Well, Skom, that's great. You should let the word out. If it's not in the Bible, I'm not sure how it got into the religion, because the prejudice against homosexuality never seems to end from Christianity.
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Is or is not homosexuality a "sin"? If it is not, your point stands.
In that case, Christians should follow the United Church, which declared both women and homosexuals fit for ministry - they have men, women, homosexuals of both sexes as ministers in that religion.
You do understand how words and sentences work right? You read from left to right and read consecutively. I ask because it is like somehow you read my entire post and didn't understand a single word of what I said.

The Bible does not allow for hate or singling out sins.

I would answer your questions again but the best way I know how is just how I did so in my last post, which it seems you don't understand so I guess we are at an impasse.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#423323 Nov 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Such a blind and baseless assertion you have there, perhaps, you have evidence to back this up, even a tiny bit of evidence?
From the stand of actual history, based in reality, religion seems to be the cause of almost all civilization collapses, in almost all points in history. The most common reason for a civilization to collapse is a "holy" war, in which a dominate religion likes to wipe out the lesser religions, which destabilizes the region and ultimately leads to the collapse of the regime which started the war in the first place.
Now for you "PC" assertion, yeah, this one's easy. "Godliness" is what dictators are, they control the lives of everyone and who dies. They control who gets what and for whatever reason they desire. So you are saying that not wanting to be a dictator is a bad thing, you are a horrible person.
well PCism won in our latest election so the proof will be what kind of freedoms the US will lose to the 'collective cause' within the next 4 years.

keep your obama 2012 bumper stickers on your hybrids so freedom lovers will know how to find you!

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#423324 Nov 29, 2012
for the posters who do not yet know........

our wonderful, feisty poster known as ROADRUNNER is no longer with us.

she passed away yesterday.

MWD posted it on another thread.

she leaves behind her beloved children and parents.

hoist a toast to this wonderful lady!!!!!!!!!!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#423325 Nov 29, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i can see that we've been born morally corrupt and that's why we need to be born-again.
can you NOT see this??? read your local paper.....
My local paper is about the furthest thing you can get from Christianity. Sorry, baby, most Japanese just don't get you people. The concept of being "born again" is kind of silly to us. Just use kata to fashion yourself as a better person.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#423326 Nov 29, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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BTW- PC-personificationist, you; i don't condemn anybody, but i also don't condone everything. PCers like yourself condone everything accept true godliness & your type has been responsible for the fall of every civilization!
Wow, can you add any more generalizations there?

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