Why I’m no longer a Christian

“No Invisible Means of Support ”

Since: Nov 12

Simian Crease

#422641 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Provide proof those quotes are fabricated and link your source
Well, you could have actually Googled any of your original quotes if you weren't so turgid from some revelation that the US was founded on Christianity. Of course, since our laws do not reflect that in any manner, your David Barton desperately tries to influence the easily deluded. You've been hoodwinked and hornswoggled by your ego-driven confirmation bias and that is so sordid and sad.

A little on Barton.

http://crooksandliars.com/leah-nelson/david-b...

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...

http://www.politicususa.com/jon-stewart-disse...

Let me return to your first post now and illustrate.

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Since: Aug 10

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#422642 Nov 26, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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I can also admit that you sin
ssssoooo there is such a thing as sin! now, about YOU......

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#422643 Nov 26, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>No one with _any_ credibility quotes David Barton. There are groups all over the US trying to undo his *revisions*(read lies) of American History. It is a well-known fact that he does not have the credentials he claims. He has no degree in history. He has 1 DD and one honorary DD. That's it.
He has rewritten the words of great Americans to end the separation of church and state and help make this country a theocracy. It is people like him you should quote only when defending the rights of freedom of speech, as an example of what people can get away with in this country.
It is evident that you do not have the skills to be a researcher of any sort, much less history. You buy into whatever someone says that agrees with what you already believe, regardless of whether it is factual or not.
David Barton. Hahahaha
I wonder if he's aware some of those quotes came from Barton. There are so many websites out there that compile and regurgitate content from other sites, he may well have gotten them from one of those. I c&ped one of them into a search, and came up with, among other sites, one that seems to have something to do with cancer survivors? I know, strange. That's the insidious thing about misinformation and the web - lies live a thousand lives.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#422644 Nov 26, 2012
Mary Palm wrote:
<quoted text>Without the financial means to pursue such a claim, and with many in lower-populated areas having limited employment choices, acquiescence to the mean, despite such coercion's illegality, may be the only option. This is another disgusting trait of Christians.
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes, the laws have existed for a while now. It does not change what happens. Proving a case of discrimination is also very difficult, and most get tossed out before seeing a judge due to a lack of evidence. Which is, sadly, how it should be, without evidence these laws could easily be turned into the next witchhunts. But it doesn't make discrimination right.
Like any law...someone will always find a way around it.

During my many years of having lived in the "Bible Belt" I was never asked what my religious affiliation was nor how often that I attended church. At one time I do remember that being a question on the application but was removed even in that "Bible Belt". If I had of been asked after it's removal I wouldn't have wanted the job anyway.

Yes...employers get around those discrimination laws including gender/sexual orientation/religion/age.

I read somewhere that there are programs that employers use to scan online applications looking for key words and dates. Even though they do not ask for your age...they look for that date of when you were enrolled in school.

I also agree...too cost prohibitive for most of us to pursue a law suit...even if we could prove it.

“No Invisible Means of Support ”

Since: Nov 12

Simian Crease

#422645 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Can't remember the last time I was here, someone just linked a post. Hey Hip!
The following is simply to provide some background. I have heard a lot of people claim to know what the foundering fathers believed and intended for this country and what they felt it was founded on. I think the following will clear that up:
1. "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
~Patrick Henry
"Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
~Benjamin Franklin
"We have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."
~Abraham Lincoln's 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation
http://www.cancertutor.com/Quotes/Quotes_Pres...
1. Well, not Barton, but a quote-mined little nugget wholly and dishonestly ripped from context:

http://rationalrant.blogspot.com/2011/11/old-...

If you don't see the dripping sarcasm there, you aren't looking. Besides, The Treaty of Tripoli cements Adams position. The man who once called Jefferson a "howling atheist" signed it into law after it was voted on unanimously by Congress:

As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen … it is declared … that no pretext arising from religious opinion shall ever product an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.… The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.

Oh, yeah, Adams thought your trinity concept was laughable.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#422646 Nov 26, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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evolution naturally delivers
sure it delivers...survival of the fittest and eternal obscurity!
great religion ya got there....

“No Invisible Means of Support ”

Since: Nov 12

Simian Crease

#422647 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Can't remember the last time I was here, someone just linked a post. Hey Hip!
The following is simply to provide some background. I have heard a lot of people claim to know what the foundering fathers believed and intended for this country and what they felt it was founded on. I think the following will clear that up:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams
2. "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
~Patrick Henry
"Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
~Benjamin Franklin
"We have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."
~Abraham Lincoln's 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation
http://www.cancertutor.com/Quotes/Quotes_Pres...
2. You're right, that's a real one, but, once again, context.

If someone is going to make claims about the meaning of the Constitution, it would make more sense to draw on comments from the people who actually wrote and/or supported the Constitution. Patrick Henry was neither. Henry tried to get religion expressed in the Constitution and he failed. Henry tried to prevent the Constitution from being ratified (he was an anti-federalist) and he failed.

Your quote mining fails.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#422648 Nov 26, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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Like any law...someone will always find a way around it.
During my many years of having lived in the "Bible Belt" I was never asked what my religious affiliation was nor how often that I attended church. At one time I do remember that being a question on the application but was removed even in that "Bible Belt". If I had of been asked after it's removal I wouldn't have wanted the job anyway.
Yes...employers get around those discrimination laws including gender/sexual orientation/religion/age.
I read somewhere that there are programs that employers use to scan online applications looking for key words and dates. Even though they do not ask for your age...they look for that date of when you were enrolled in school.
I also agree...too cost prohibitive for most of us to pursue a law suit...even if we could prove it.
I have been denied jobs for being old, but I can't prove it, but meh. No muss, no fuss, they won't have access to Hackers' Haven when it's complete, but Oracle will.^_^

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#422649 Nov 26, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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that is a piss poor negotiation you have started.
If you now are going to offer payment, show some generosity.
i'm here 4 U!:)

“No Invisible Means of Support ”

Since: Nov 12

Simian Crease

#422650 Nov 26, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
Can't remember the last time I was here, someone just linked a post. Hey Hip!
The following is simply to provide some background. I have heard a lot of people claim to know what the foundering fathers believed and intended for this country and what they felt it was founded on. I think the following will clear that up:
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
~Patrick Henry
3. "Man will ultimately be governed by God or by tyrants."
~Benjamin Franklin
4. "We have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us."
~Abraham Lincoln's 1863 Thanksgiving Proclamation
http://www.cancertutor.com/Quotes/Quotes_Pres...
3. Well, you do have me so far. Barton is not responsible for any of these, but he was responsible for so many it is easy to be swayed. Context here is Franklin on religion. Like the zeitgeist, Franklin felt religion was necessary to make men behave, after all, he was raised a Puritan. Of course, he did try to get a daily prayer put in the Constitution, but, guess what, he failed.

4. What does Lincoln's Thanksgiving address have to do with what the Founders wished.

So, the score? Yep, you're right, Barton was no responsible for those, but, Bzzzzzzzzz, fail, your quote mining nonsense backfired precipitously. The United States was not founded on Christinaity or any other religion. We the people. Not lords, not gods, not masters. Stop trying to rewrite history. Doesn't your imaginary friend hate liars?

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422651 Nov 26, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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what if i DO have issues and need your compassion??? do 'unbelievers' believe in killing the wounded?:(
Why don't your 'brothers and sisters in Christ' have compassion for you? Are you looking outside your belief system for something you claim they have and have in abundance?

Don't pull the poor pitiful me act. You do what you do here knowing exactly what you're doing. For that, you deserve no compassion. All you deserve is honesty, which you get.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#422652 Nov 26, 2012
Cliff09 wrote:
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You were a believer: NOT A CHRISTIAN. A christian is a repented and baptized person, the
same is HOLY. Once there, I have no proof that one can revert.
Judas betrayed Jesus before he was baptized: not after! That would not be possible, for he
would be Holy.
You lived an illusion and you've got out of it: AMEN.
I wish you all the best as an Atheist.
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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
wow - you're hot!:)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#422653 Nov 26, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>The only friend you have, Leisure Suit Larry, s your right hand. Have fun spanking Scooter again tonight.
:-(

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422654 Nov 26, 2012
Mary Palm wrote:
<quoted text>If you let that idiot John Coffey get to you, you've lost it.
Yep. John (Red Apples) is one of the best manipulators on Topix. It thrills him into a religigasm every time he gets to someone who opposes him in any way.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422655 Nov 26, 2012
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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If this is your point, then I will go back to the original question I asked - relating to GoThomas and its validation through men and not "God".
Where does "God" say that GoThomas is "heresy" - or for that matter, any non-canonical text?
At this point, you've given this credit only to the Council of Laodicea (4th C.), and that they are not discriptive narratives (I disagree with many texts that you object to), and the time you think the texts were initially written.
Where does "God" say this?
Don't sit on the doorstep in the rain waiting for a straightforward answer. You will get none from Resurrectionist.

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Since: Aug 10

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#422656 Nov 26, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>That's a wonderful story, but several Jewish scholars doubt the character Paul was real. In Jewish writings of the first two centuries CE there is no mention of a rebellious student of Gamaliel named Paul or Saul. It is also very remarkable that the supposed student of Gamaliel, who certainly would have received instruction from him in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament, cites passages from the Old Testament exclusively from the Greek version—as if in his life he had never learned Hebrew. Many of the letters attributed to the Paul character have been proven forgeries. Given the Christian history of utter fabrication, well, there you go. Enjoy your fantasy.
"several Jewish scholars doubt..."

these are no doubt the one's whom you'll believe!

when you're ready to change your fantasy for reality, you'll know where to find me (well, we can keep a lil fantasy, if ya know what i mean;)

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422657 Nov 26, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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If Christians want credit for this country and want to pretend that it was founded just for them...maybe we should just let them think what they want...
Think maybe they should read this first...find out how those "first pilgrims" made it theirs.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeo...
If you read this article make sure to read both pages...IMO it shows the lengths that one will go to for the "right to their religious freedom" as long as that religion is the one that they subscribe to.
Yes...I am being "snarky"!
On the other hand...on the other side of the fence..."respect" is only given if you don't believe in NOTHING!
Okay...I will try to get over being "snarky"!
This is the history of Christians everywhere they have set foot. This is what they would like to do now, but are taking a different tactic to get in power before they make it legal to kill again. I think they have more opposition than they know, for many Christians see the light of truth on this issue and do not want a theocracy. They know how evil Christianity has been when it rules and want no part of it.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#422658 Nov 26, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I guess I can take that off your hands. I'll put it right beside the nail collection. You know...sharp, pointy objects together.
Most of my stuff IS either sharp and pointy, or goes "boom"...

Hehehe.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#422659 Nov 26, 2012
Mary Palm wrote:
<quoted text>Look at these "progressive evangelicals". Isn't gluttony a sin? Looks like they never progress past the buffet, Earl.
http://lifejourneychurch.cc/pastoraltraining/...
You know, if you let the other Christians in here know you embrace the gay, you are done for.
somebody's obsessed w/me again i see!;)

i don't condone, gluttony, alcoholism, homosexuality or any anti-social & destructive bahavior.

he dumb dumbs, let's have a 'covetious and greedy' pride parade in your city and teach our children at the elementary level that being extremely selfish is a valid alternative lifestyle!:)

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#422660 Nov 26, 2012
Mary Palm wrote:
<quoted text>Lack of...
speaking of "socks", may i ask who this 'normally' is?

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