Why I知 no longer a Christian

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We've been seeing these certification competitions lately. I'm not sure just what to make of it.
How ya doin, X-man?
Life is good, thanks. If all goes well, I'll be bringing by cigars with pink ribbons in March.*Peter Pan pose* I've still got it.

Imagine WN smoking a stogie.

I check in occassionally, but don't dedicate the time to follow along religiously.

I'm proud to see the thread still accomplishing the desired goal.

I'm always easy to find on twitter @Xcntrik

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You do? You really need to check your ego at the door. You're not gonna like my next statement, but I don't really care either.
Do YOU know Greek? I DO.
Do YOU know Hebrew? I DO.
Have YOU been to Jerusalem? I HAVE. TWICE.
Do YOU have an Undergraduate's Degree w/ honors in Ancient History from a secular University? I DO.(Binghamton University - SUNY)
Do YOU conduct historical research as a profession? I DO.(Not in religion either - just sayin')
If anyone around here has extensive knowledge without having gone to a Divinity School, it is I. But I do not correct your errors for my own ego, no matter what you might think. I correct your errors because they are just THAT. ERRORS.
Go ahead. Get mad, get nasty, it matters little to me how you react.
What does matter is what I've seen, where I've been, and that the conclusions I have reached are more plausible than not.
Your ego is dedicated to yourself.
My ego is dedicated to knocking your presuppositions right where they belong: in the dust.
Now shall we continue?
I am sorry to hear that you do historical research as a profession. I hope it has nothing to do with Biblical research. You're not objective enough to do that.

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You do? You really need to check your ego at the door. You're not gonna like my next statement, but I don't really care either.
Do YOU know Greek? I DO.
Do YOU know Hebrew? I DO.
Have YOU been to Jerusalem? I HAVE. TWICE.
Do YOU have an Undergraduate's Degree w/ honors in Ancient History from a secular University? I DO.(Binghamton University - SUNY)
Do YOU conduct historical research as a profession? I DO.(Not in religion either - just sayin')
If anyone around here has extensive knowledge without having gone to a Divinity School, it is I. But I do not correct your errors for my own ego, no matter what you might think. I correct your errors because they are just THAT. ERRORS.
Go ahead. Get mad, get nasty, it matters little to me how you react.
What does matter is what I've seen, where I've been, and that the conclusions I have reached are more plausible than not.
Your ego is dedicated to yourself.
My ego is dedicated to knocking your presuppositions right where they belong: in the dust.
Now shall we continue?
Oh, by the way. I thikn you need to check YOUR ego at the door after this post.

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Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Whew! Is that funny, or what?
It's always better than paying for a movie. Howyadoin', X?

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DearthOfCouth wrote:
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We've been seeing these certification competitions lately. I'm not sure just what to make of it.
How ya doin, X-man?
Well, we've only 'seen' one set of qualifications. As to that of Res, we haven't seen anything.

But it's a battle of 'I'm the smartest' and 'Piss off'.

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Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Life is good, thanks. If all goes well, I'll be bringing by cigars with pink ribbons in March.*Peter Pan pose* I've still got it.
Imagine WN smoking a stogie.
I check in occassionally, but don't dedicate the time to follow along religiously.
I'm proud to see the thread still accomplishing the desired goal.
I'm always easy to find on twitter @Xcntrik
Okay, I'll forgive you for being MIA here since you were evidently not so everywhere! Congrats to you and Xette! Let us know when the big event takes place. I'm really happy for the two of yas.

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HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>You ain't taught nobody nuthin but that there's an endless supply of insecure quasi-God Warriors that feel like they have to strut and blow on an anonymous board like wet-feathered peacocks.
Ya'll remind me of the Corpse-maker from Twain's Huck Finn:
展hoo-oop! I知 the old original iron-jawed, brass-mounted, copper-bellied corpse-maker from the wilds of Arkansaw! Look at me! I知 the man they call Sudden Death and General Desolation! Sired by a hurricane, dam壇 by an earthquake, half-brother to the cholera, nearly related to the small-pox on the mother痴 side! Look at me! I take nineteen alligators and a bar値 of whiskey for breakfast when I知 in robust health, and a bushel of rattlesnakes and a dead body when I知 ailing! I split the everlasting rocks with my glance, and I squench the thunder when I speak! Whoo-oop! Stand back and give me room according to my strength! Blood痴 my natural drink, and the wails of the dying is music to my ear! Cast your eye on me, gentlemen!預nd lay low and hold your breath, for I知 bout to turn myself loose!
Tell ya what, Toady17yroldBigot, name your subject. Please go slow, I'll see if I can keep up.
Waal hersh mah mouf,lol.

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HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>You ain't taught nobody nuthin
Well some people just can't be taught. That's not my fault cause God knows I do try.

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One would ask for evidence, since it's math we'd call it proof actually, if they are intelligent. Only an idiot goes with the crowd, that is why religion caters to idiots.
S'cue me for being crass but it must be your time of the month if you know what I mean.

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Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Waal hersh mah mouf,lol.
Just as I thought. Movin' on. Nothing to see here.

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HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. With all those credentials you'd think you wouldn't have ducked out on our discussion last night just when it was getting started.
Shall I repeat the dot-points and questions I asked you to consider?
I'd like to add one, relative to "pre-suppositions", if I may? You keep insisting that Matthew wrote the first gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Can you back that up with anything?
Besides pre-suppositions, I mean?
Yes I can. Not with 100% certainty mind you, but ancient history isn't 100% certain. The criteria is "more plausible than not." Anyone who thinks that the standard is the same as a criminal court case "beyond reasonable doubt" isn't being realistic.

So in a nutshell, the writings of Origen and Irenaeus do claim that Matthew wrote his gospel in Aramaic/Hebrew while still in Palestine, and this is consistent with the language and Jewish themes we see there. Now I have admitted that I am speculating when I say he probably took notes while Jesus was still alive, as we really have no way of knowing. But on it's own merit, as a tax collector, wouldn't it be sensible to consider that he was literate and had access to writing materials?

Also, St Augustine quotes from Eusebius and other early church fathers as such:(Before dismissing it, look it up and read it for yourself. I am much more interested in pointing you in the right direction than I am trying to convince you myself)

"Now, those four evangelists whose names have gained the most remarkable circulation over the whole world, and whose number has been fixed as four,are believed to have written in the order which follows: first Matthew, then Mark, thirdly Luke, lastly John."

"Of these four, it is true, only Matthew is reckoned to have written in the Hebrew language; the others in Greek. And however they may appear to have kept each of them a certain order of narration proper to himself, this certainly is not to be taken as if each individual writer chose to write in ignorance of what his predecessor had done."
-St. Augustine, The Harmony of the Gospels, 2.

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Why don't you think I could write an accurate historical account of the JFK assassination? What makes you so sure I couldn't?
This should be interesting.
This is supposed to be analogous to the gospel "witnesses", with the same technology, right?

So, to begin, you weren't born yet, so "eyewitness" is out.

You have no written record.

You have nothing left but interviews with witnesses and participants. But wait! Most, if not all, of whom are now dead. So, your witness list is very short. You can interview friends and colleagues. Now we're at second-hand.

I'll really be interested to see how you sort this out. Second shooter on the grassy knoll, or not? What's up with the mystery bullet on the gurney? Was the Mafia involved? Castro? LBJ?

And we're just scratching the surface.

Actually, with all the rumors and conspiracy theories swirling around the JFK assassination, the subject is far murkier now than it was in 1963. The fact is, you could not write an authoritative account 50 years later. The best you could do is recap the various theories and scuttlebutt, and scribble out your opinion as to which works for you.

Kinda like the "gospels". Right?

Great analogy.

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HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>You ain't taught nobody nuthin but that there's an endless supply of insecure quasi-God Warriors that feel like they have to strut and blow on an anonymous board like wet-feathered peacocks.
Ya'll remind me of the Corpse-maker from Twain's Huck Finn:
展hoo-oop! I知 the old original iron-jawed, brass-mounted, copper-bellied corpse-maker from the wilds of Arkansaw! Look at me! I知 the man they call Sudden Death and General Desolation! Sired by a hurricane, dam壇 by an earthquake, half-brother to the cholera, nearly related to the small-pox on the mother痴 side! Look at me! I take nineteen alligators and a bar値 of whiskey for breakfast when I知 in robust health, and a bushel of rattlesnakes and a dead body when I知 ailing! I split the everlasting rocks with my glance, and I squench the thunder when I speak! Whoo-oop! Stand back and give me room according to my strength! Blood痴 my natural drink, and the wails of the dying is music to my ear! Cast your eye on me, gentlemen!預nd lay low and hold your breath, for I知 bout to turn myself loose!
Tell ya what, Toady17yroldBigot, name your subject. Please go slow, I'll see if I can keep up.
excelent post about all those so called world christianity self appointed egos,and bongos with day dreaming delusional maniacial visions and nonsenses based on their teachings from sunday school church and drinking 'blood' water communion mixed with priest urines and moon shine made in the swamps of luisiana wild woods

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Well some people just can't be taught. That's not my fault cause God knows I do try.
since according to you?
God knows and God is teacher?
why you try to teach before God, and be teacher of men,?
why you try?
something what is not given to you,and not having any spiritual authority to be spiritual teacher of others?

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<quoted text> Well, we've only 'seen' one set of qualifications. As to that of Res, we haven't seen anything.
But it's a battle of 'I'm the smartest' and 'Piss off'.
Have you been to Jerusalem? Why do you tell me that the platform that the temple rested on was part of the temple when I have seen it for myself and can tell you it's not?

Let me put it another way.

What do I have to gain?

Are you going to join my church? I doubt it. I'm not asking you to.

Are you going to send me money? I don't want or need your money.

I don't want to say "I told you so! Neener! Neener!"

Oh and as far as historical writing goes, nobody is 100% objective in writing history. Everyone has some presuppositions. I know I do.
The important thing is to keep them to a minimum.

I didn't become a historian to validate my faith. I was agnostic when I was injured as a firefighter in southern New York State. After hip surgery, I had to find a new profession. I put myself through college, most days in pain. I decided on history. I never expected to become a spiritual person. The evidence I found is what finally convinced me. Not the other way around. I learned that history is not 100% absolute. Neither is faith. But I have come to that place in my life where I have had the experiences and the formal education to know what I'm talking about, and my conclusion is that the origins of Christianity as we currently know it are far more likely than not.

You don't have to become a Christian. Nobody is forcing you to do so. I think that you're afraid that the information is correct. If the information we evangelical apologists is more likely than unlikely, then you have choices to make. It is those choices that bother you.

So why not just say, "Okay, the information might be correct, but I choose not to accept it." Why not just go that route? it would be more honest than what you're currently doing.

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Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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Dogs rock!
Ever try to play fetch with a cat?
love cats as well! they have personalities! the way they act when given catnip!!!!! funny.

the only thing i wouldn't own as a pet, is a rodent! LoL

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Robert Stevens wrote:
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And they should stop all their complaining and count their blessings that they are in a good country that permits options, unlike China and other athiest utopias.
BoooOOOOOOOooooOOOOOO

you're a JACKASS FOR JESUS.

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BIBLE TRUE JEHOVA wrote:
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since according to you?
God knows and God is teacher?
why you try to teach before God, and be teacher of men,?
why you try?
something what is not given to you,and not having any spiritual authority to be spiritual teacher of others?
http://www.biblestudytools.com/kjva/romans/pa...
Here's my reply.

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Zen Master Ein wrote:
<quoted text>You know that you are crazy. With a name like wolf witch the only thing that you have figured out is that you are mentally not functioning.
Spoken like a true "Zen Master."

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