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“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#422255 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Aww now pookie,lol. What higher credential can I present than my ability to """"" """accurately """"" """ teach Gods word and hopefully inmy teaching,God may be glorified instead of my ego being stroked like you stroke yours instead of glorifying God.
Whew! Is that funny, or what?

“What do I know?”

Since: Apr 08

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#422256 Nov 24, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Whew! Is that funny, or what?
We've been seeing these certification competitions lately. I'm not sure just what to make of it.

How ya doin, X-man?

Since: Sep 10

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#422257 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>I beg to differ. If 4 people wrote an account immediately after it happened, and the accounts were the same, historically speaking it would probably be seen as fact.
However, if 4 people wrote it down decades later and the accounts didn't match, it would probably be seen as untrue.
Historians look for stories that bear similar elements. That's the only way they can look into the past. They also look at the time and place they were written. If those things are also close together, then it makes the evidence more sure.
deppendent from which point,or side,or education, or skills were writting those 4 completly different people about only one story,LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST?

for sure you are not advoctae or corrector after 2000 years of those 4 who wrote Gospels

today esspecialy women are more smart from anyone, even play more smart from God alone- and your are one of them just stupid writter on the dust, waves of waters flush each minute all your quesses,lies, and bamblings having no sense in global scale,JUST DUFF

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#422259 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>No thanks.I'll pass cause God didn't make me out to be a fool and I don't tempt God by testing Himto see if He'll protect me. By the way, what makes you think I'm interested in your so called credentials. I have debated all kinds of Doctoral educated people and made them seem as if they were kindergartners by comparison and I have discovered that you are no exception either.
I have taught youmuch since I've been here though of courseyou won't admit it.Your ego won't allow you to be honest
You ain't taught nobody nuthin but that there's an endless supply of insecure quasi-God Warriors that feel like they have to strut and blow on an anonymous board like wet-feathered peacocks.

Ya'll remind me of the Corpse-maker from Twain's Huck Finn:

展hoo-oop! I知 the old original iron-jawed, brass-mounted, copper-bellied corpse-maker from the wilds of Arkansaw! Look at me! I知 the man they call Sudden Death and General Desolation! Sired by a hurricane, dam壇 by an earthquake, half-brother to the cholera, nearly related to the small-pox on the mother痴 side! Look at me! I take nineteen alligators and a bar値 of whiskey for breakfast when I知 in robust health, and a bushel of rattlesnakes and a dead body when I知 ailing! I split the everlasting rocks with my glance, and I squench the thunder when I speak! Whoo-oop! Stand back and give me room according to my strength! Blood痴 my natural drink, and the wails of the dying is music to my ear! Cast your eye on me, gentlemen!預nd lay low and hold your breath, for I知 bout to turn myself loose!

Tell ya what, Toady17yroldBigot, name your subject. Please go slow, I'll see if I can keep up.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422260 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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Whoa! Hold on there! Didn't you read my paragraph? I said some people have complaints about such issues. I don't. I said I understand why some people have complaints about these issues. This does not mean I advocate those same views. Get a grip and stop assuming. Yes I'm evangelical, yes I'm an apologist. But that doesn't mean I side with everything that comes down the Christian pike just for the sake of solidarity.
You assume wayyyyyy too much.
Yes, you said 'some people'. And then you ended your post with this:

'While I don't personally complain, I can understand how some people may feel about these issues.'

I realize you mean that you sympathize with these feelings you mentioned, because you said 'while I don't personally complain'.

You see, I have the ability to comprehend what I read. I answer accordingly. If you once again did not explain yourself well, that's not my problem.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#422261 Nov 24, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
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Whew! Is that funny, or what?
Never gets old. Good thing,'cos there's an endless supply.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

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#422262 Nov 24, 2012
Zen Master Ein wrote:
<quoted text>So, what do you believe in and what reference from the Bible do you formulated it from? I would hope that you side with all that comes down the Bible pipeline, for the sake of solidarity with Christ and the Bible.
And what if he doesn't? Are you going to tar and feather him and run him out of town on a rail? Or are you just going to do what you always do and type hate-filled little messages at him because he's not the creepy Christian you are?

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#422263 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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You do? You really need to check your ego at the door. You're not gonna like my next statement, but I don't really care either.
Do YOU know Greek? I DO.
Do YOU know Hebrew? I DO.
Have YOU been to Jerusalem? I HAVE. TWICE.
Do YOU have an Undergraduate's Degree w/ honors in Ancient History from a secular University? I DO.(Binghamton University - SUNY)
Do YOU conduct historical research as a profession? I DO.(Not in religion either - just sayin')
If anyone around here has extensive knowledge without having gone to a Divinity School, it is I.
Wow. With all those credentials you'd think you wouldn't have ducked out on our discussion last night just when it was getting started.

Shall I repeat the dot-points and questions I asked you to consider?

I'd like to add one, relative to "pre-suppositions", if I may? You keep insisting that Matthew wrote the first gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Can you back that up with anything?

Besides pre-suppositions, I mean?

“xcntrik.wordpres s.com”

Since: Mar 07

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#422264 Nov 24, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
<quoted text>
We've been seeing these certification competitions lately. I'm not sure just what to make of it.
How ya doin, X-man?
Life is good, thanks. If all goes well, I'll be bringing by cigars with pink ribbons in March.*Peter Pan pose* I've still got it.

Imagine WN smoking a stogie.

I check in occassionally, but don't dedicate the time to follow along religiously.

I'm proud to see the thread still accomplishing the desired goal.

I'm always easy to find on twitter @Xcntrik

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422265 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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You do? You really need to check your ego at the door. You're not gonna like my next statement, but I don't really care either.
Do YOU know Greek? I DO.
Do YOU know Hebrew? I DO.
Have YOU been to Jerusalem? I HAVE. TWICE.
Do YOU have an Undergraduate's Degree w/ honors in Ancient History from a secular University? I DO.(Binghamton University - SUNY)
Do YOU conduct historical research as a profession? I DO.(Not in religion either - just sayin')
If anyone around here has extensive knowledge without having gone to a Divinity School, it is I. But I do not correct your errors for my own ego, no matter what you might think. I correct your errors because they are just THAT. ERRORS.
Go ahead. Get mad, get nasty, it matters little to me how you react.
What does matter is what I've seen, where I've been, and that the conclusions I have reached are more plausible than not.
Your ego is dedicated to yourself.
My ego is dedicated to knocking your presuppositions right where they belong: in the dust.
Now shall we continue?
I am sorry to hear that you do historical research as a profession. I hope it has nothing to do with Biblical research. You're not objective enough to do that.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422266 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
You do? You really need to check your ego at the door. You're not gonna like my next statement, but I don't really care either.
Do YOU know Greek? I DO.
Do YOU know Hebrew? I DO.
Have YOU been to Jerusalem? I HAVE. TWICE.
Do YOU have an Undergraduate's Degree w/ honors in Ancient History from a secular University? I DO.(Binghamton University - SUNY)
Do YOU conduct historical research as a profession? I DO.(Not in religion either - just sayin')
If anyone around here has extensive knowledge without having gone to a Divinity School, it is I. But I do not correct your errors for my own ego, no matter what you might think. I correct your errors because they are just THAT. ERRORS.
Go ahead. Get mad, get nasty, it matters little to me how you react.
What does matter is what I've seen, where I've been, and that the conclusions I have reached are more plausible than not.
Your ego is dedicated to yourself.
My ego is dedicated to knocking your presuppositions right where they belong: in the dust.
Now shall we continue?
Oh, by the way. I thikn you need to check YOUR ego at the door after this post.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422267 Nov 24, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
<quoted text>
Whew! Is that funny, or what?
It's always better than paying for a movie. Howyadoin', X?

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422268 Nov 24, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
<quoted text>
We've been seeing these certification competitions lately. I'm not sure just what to make of it.
How ya doin, X-man?
Well, we've only 'seen' one set of qualifications. As to that of Res, we haven't seen anything.

But it's a battle of 'I'm the smartest' and 'Piss off'.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422269 Nov 24, 2012
Xcntrik InVidor wrote:
<quoted text>
Life is good, thanks. If all goes well, I'll be bringing by cigars with pink ribbons in March.*Peter Pan pose* I've still got it.
Imagine WN smoking a stogie.
I check in occassionally, but don't dedicate the time to follow along religiously.
I'm proud to see the thread still accomplishing the desired goal.
I'm always easy to find on twitter @Xcntrik
Okay, I'll forgive you for being MIA here since you were evidently not so everywhere! Congrats to you and Xette! Let us know when the big event takes place. I'm really happy for the two of yas.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422270 Nov 24, 2012
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>You ain't taught nobody nuthin but that there's an endless supply of insecure quasi-God Warriors that feel like they have to strut and blow on an anonymous board like wet-feathered peacocks.
Ya'll remind me of the Corpse-maker from Twain's Huck Finn:
展hoo-oop! I知 the old original iron-jawed, brass-mounted, copper-bellied corpse-maker from the wilds of Arkansaw! Look at me! I知 the man they call Sudden Death and General Desolation! Sired by a hurricane, dam壇 by an earthquake, half-brother to the cholera, nearly related to the small-pox on the mother痴 side! Look at me! I take nineteen alligators and a bar値 of whiskey for breakfast when I知 in robust health, and a bushel of rattlesnakes and a dead body when I知 ailing! I split the everlasting rocks with my glance, and I squench the thunder when I speak! Whoo-oop! Stand back and give me room according to my strength! Blood痴 my natural drink, and the wails of the dying is music to my ear! Cast your eye on me, gentlemen!預nd lay low and hold your breath, for I知 bout to turn myself loose!
Tell ya what, Toady17yroldBigot, name your subject. Please go slow, I'll see if I can keep up.
Waal hersh mah mouf,lol.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422271 Nov 24, 2012
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>You ain't taught nobody nuthin
Well some people just can't be taught. That's not my fault cause God knows I do try.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422272 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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One would ask for evidence, since it's math we'd call it proof actually, if they are intelligent. Only an idiot goes with the crowd, that is why religion caters to idiots.
S'cue me for being crass but it must be your time of the month if you know what I mean.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#422273 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Waal hersh mah mouf,lol.
Just as I thought. Movin' on. Nothing to see here.

Since: Sep 12

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#422274 Nov 24, 2012
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Wow. With all those credentials you'd think you wouldn't have ducked out on our discussion last night just when it was getting started.
Shall I repeat the dot-points and questions I asked you to consider?
I'd like to add one, relative to "pre-suppositions", if I may? You keep insisting that Matthew wrote the first gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Can you back that up with anything?
Besides pre-suppositions, I mean?
Yes I can. Not with 100% certainty mind you, but ancient history isn't 100% certain. The criteria is "more plausible than not." Anyone who thinks that the standard is the same as a criminal court case "beyond reasonable doubt" isn't being realistic.

So in a nutshell, the writings of Origen and Irenaeus do claim that Matthew wrote his gospel in Aramaic/Hebrew while still in Palestine, and this is consistent with the language and Jewish themes we see there. Now I have admitted that I am speculating when I say he probably took notes while Jesus was still alive, as we really have no way of knowing. But on it's own merit, as a tax collector, wouldn't it be sensible to consider that he was literate and had access to writing materials?

Also, St Augustine quotes from Eusebius and other early church fathers as such:(Before dismissing it, look it up and read it for yourself. I am much more interested in pointing you in the right direction than I am trying to convince you myself)

"Now, those four evangelists whose names have gained the most remarkable circulation over the whole world, and whose number has been fixed as four,are believed to have written in the order which follows: first Matthew, then Mark, thirdly Luke, lastly John."

"Of these four, it is true, only Matthew is reckoned to have written in the Hebrew language; the others in Greek. And however they may appear to have kept each of them a certain order of narration proper to himself, this certainly is not to be taken as if each individual writer chose to write in ignorance of what his predecessor had done."
-St. Augustine, The Harmony of the Gospels, 2.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#422275 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you think I could write an accurate historical account of the JFK assassination? What makes you so sure I couldn't?
This should be interesting.
This is supposed to be analogous to the gospel "witnesses", with the same technology, right?

So, to begin, you weren't born yet, so "eyewitness" is out.

You have no written record.

You have nothing left but interviews with witnesses and participants. But wait! Most, if not all, of whom are now dead. So, your witness list is very short. You can interview friends and colleagues. Now we're at second-hand.

I'll really be interested to see how you sort this out. Second shooter on the grassy knoll, or not? What's up with the mystery bullet on the gurney? Was the Mafia involved? Castro? LBJ?

And we're just scratching the surface.

Actually, with all the rumors and conspiracy theories swirling around the JFK assassination, the subject is far murkier now than it was in 1963. The fact is, you could not write an authoritative account 50 years later. The best you could do is recap the various theories and scuttlebutt, and scribble out your opinion as to which works for you.

Kinda like the "gospels". Right?

Great analogy.

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