“Once You've Gone Witch---”

Since: May 10

"--You Won't Ever Switch!"

#422127 Nov 23, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
"Minor details"--I love it!
Here's some "minor details" for you:
Witness # 1: "Resurrectionologist is a murderer! He killed his next-door neighbor after arguing religious doctrine by breaking into his house late one night, and shot him as he lay in bed."
Witness # 2: "I agree; Resurrectionologist killed his neighbor after fighting over his neighbor's dog crapping on his lawn all the time! So Resurrectionologist got his gun, broke into his neighbor's house one afternoon and shot him in his living room while he was watching "The Price is Right."
Witness # 3: "Resurrectionologist killed his neighbor one morning after he found out he was sleeping with his wife, and ran him down in the middle of the street with his Humvee!"
Witness # 4: "Resurrectionologist is a murderer! He loaned a chainsaw to his neighbor, it was never returned, and when the neighbor complained Resurrectionologist burned down his house, with his neighbor inside."
The "minor details" are not important; what's important is that these four "first-hand eyewitnesses" all agree in their testimonies that Resurrectionologist killed his neighbor.
Resurrectionologist is guilty; the "minor details" don't have any effect on core truths. He might wish they did, but they don't
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Good imagination, but a pure straw-man fallacy.
It was inspired by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422128 Nov 23, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for sharing your faith with me. Always nice to see someone...living their faith.
LOL.*snark*

“Once You've Gone Witch---”

Since: May 10

"--You Won't Ever Switch!"

#422129 Nov 23, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Your jesus never existed, and your buybull's "prophecies" are so vague and ambiguous as to be totally meaningless, yet easily *interpreted* as accurate after any given event. Not only do professional psychics work the same way, they undoubtedly got the idea for their scam from the buybull.
<quoted text>
And I don't take your cherry picked sources seriously.
You never did answer my quesiton: what does your god have to gain by punishing people for all eternity in the "lake of fire" for committing the thought crime of disbelief? What is there to be learned?
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
I have answered you a few times.[/QUTE]

No, you dodged and deflected.

[QUOTE who="Resurrectionologist "]<quoted text> I do not believe that God punishes people in the way that you're thinking.
Then you are in direct conflict with your "word of god."
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> I believe that hell does exist, but not as a lake of fire that people physically burn in.
Then you disagree again with your buybull.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> I believe hell is a state of eternal consciousness separate from light and love and joy. Hell as I understand it is a place of darkness, loneliness, and regret, in which our spirit languishes forever.
That's not what your buybull says, though.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> It is not for the "crime of disbelief" as you say. The punishment is our own upon ourselves.
Revelations 21:8--"But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING (emphasis added, just for you) and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

This clearly shows that *disbelief is a thought crime.*
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>What does God gain? God gains no joy by not allowing us into Heaven.
That does not tell us what he *does* gain by throwing people into the aforementioned lake of fire for the aforementioned thought crime of disbelief, as described in your bible.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> What He does gain are His creations who are willing to abide in peace and love with Him.
In other words, slavish and blind obedience. Thanks for clearing that up.

For a christian, you sure do contradict your "infallible word of God" a lot. Or are you prepared to concede the fact that the bible, like Captain Barbossa's Pirate's Code, "is more what you'd call guidelines" than the actual word of god?

You never answered *that* question, either.

Since: Oct 12

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#422130 Nov 23, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Your jesus never existed, and your buybull's "prophecies" are so vague and ambiguous as to be totally meaningless, yet easily *interpreted* as accurate after any given event. Not only do professional psychics work the same way, they undoubtedly got the idea for their scam from the buybull.
<quoted text>
And I don't take your cherry picked sources seriously.
You never did answer my quesiton: what does your god have to gain by punishing people for all eternity in the "lake of fire" for committing the thought crime of disbelief? What is there to be learned?
<quoted text>
Then you are in direct conflict with your "word of god."
<quoted text>
Then you disagree again with your buybull.
<quoted text>
That's not what your buybull says, though.
<quoted text>
Revelations 21:8--"But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING (emphasis added, just for you) and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
This clearly shows that *disbelief is a thought crime.*
<quoted text>
That does not tell us what he *does* gain by throwing people into the aforementioned lake of fire for the aforementioned thought crime of disbelief, as described in your bible.
<quoted text>
In other words, slavish and blind obedience. Thanks for clearing that up.
For a christian, you sure do contradict your "infallible word of God" a lot. Or are you prepared to concede the fact that the bible, like Captain Barbossa's Pirate's Code, "is more what you'd call guidelines" than the actual word of god?
You never answered *that* question, either.
Jesus exsisted Freakshow. No other person EVER has affected our humanity.......just as it should be. Why not put your real picture on the page....I think you are an ugly......

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#422131 Nov 23, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Your jesus never existed, and your buybull's "prophecies" are so vague and ambiguous as to be totally meaningless, yet easily *interpreted* as accurate after any given event. Not only do professional psychics work the same way, they undoubtedly got the idea for their scam from the buybull.
<quoted text>
And I don't take your cherry picked sources seriously.
You never did answer my quesiton: what does your god have to gain by punishing people for all eternity in the "lake of fire" for committing the thought crime of disbelief? What is there to be learned?
<quoted text>
Then you are in direct conflict with your "word of god."
<quoted text>
Then you disagree again with your buybull.
<quoted text>
That's not what your buybull says, though.
<quoted text>
Revelations 21:8--"But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING (emphasis added, just for you) and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
This clearly shows that *disbelief is a thought crime.*
<quoted text>
That does not tell us what he *does* gain by throwing people into the aforementioned lake of fire for the aforementioned thought crime of disbelief, as described in your bible.
<quoted text>
In other words, slavish and blind obedience. Thanks for clearing that up.
For a christian, you sure do contradict your "infallible word of God" a lot. Or are you prepared to concede the fact that the bible, like Captain Barbossa's Pirate's Code, "is more what you'd call guidelines" than the actual word of god?
You never answered *that* question, either.
I can tell that you comprehend the bible in a literal manner. It's useless trying to explain it, because you don't want an explanation that is different from your presuppositions. Now if you want to talk about dogs or cats, I'm sure you will know more than I do. I know they have fur. Dogs bark, and cats meow. They eat. They poop. They play. Feel free to tell me all about them. I think that's why you take the bible literally. You're so used to reading charts where what it says is what it means, and that's fine for the medical profession. But that approach doesn't work with the Bible. I can admit that the bible can be a very difficult piece of literature to comprehend. Anyone who says they have it all figured out 100% is crazy, and that goes for me too. While many of you may think I'm arrogant, I can assure you that I'm really not. But for a layman who has never been enrolled in a theological seminary or other divinity school, I think I'm way above average in my knowledge.

To WN: I saw your comment about having a conversation and being civil. I can be quite civil. I get that you have your own views that you don't feel that I should be correcting. I'm okay with that. What else would you like to discuss? I'm entrenched in my views because of my experiences and research, not because I have a need to be right. I consider my standards to be realistic regarding the historical evidence for Jesus and Christianity. It's taken me years to reach this point in my personal quest for truth, and I'm not about to stop now. We are each entrenched, and neither is willing to concede or compromise our respective understandings of what we hold true. So would you care to tell me what your views are and why you hold them?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#422132 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>True historians do not make the claim that Jesus definitely existed. They are persuaded to think that he 'probably' existed and so am I. But there is not enough proof for a true historian to make the statement that it is a definite.
I have seen nowhere in Jewish literature where Jesus Christ was written about during his lifetime, which would be the kicker if you were looking to them as confirmation. Not a single line. Not a single little note on the itinerant rabbi who wreaked havoc with them to the degree that their priests had to go before the Sanhedrin to cure his malfeasance. Not a single record of his life exists anywhere but in the writings of the NT. No Roman records, now Jewish records, nothing. And even these were written decades after his death, not during his life. This is what true historians will tell you.
Yet, there is enough outside the writings of the Bible to suggest that this man Jesus lived. It's not overpowering, but it is there.
Now this is a statement I can respect. Not because you agree he exists, but because you also look at the fact that while the evidence isn't 100% certain (an impossible standard in determining ancient history) you entertain that his existence is more likely than not.

Now with regard to contemporary accounts of Jesus written during His lifetime, I really do believe that it's at least plausible that one writer did record some of what Jesus said and did. Matthew, the tax collector. I do admit that it's speculation, but I don't need absolute conclusive "beyond-reasonable-doubt- Perry Mason-criminal-procedure-law " proof. I just need it to be more plausible than not. This is the way ancient history is evaluated with regard to what is available. It's realistic.

Consider the likelihood. A tax collector would be expected to keep notes in relation to his duties. Papyrus was readily available, and still is today in Egypt and other areas of the Middle East. A Jewish tax collector turned disciple would be more likely to record his experiences. Why? Because in that day and age, tax collectors were despised by nearly everybody. If it were me, I would want to write it all down because who would believe it later on if it remained just a few anecdotal stories told around a warming fire? Now I'm aware that this is a version of ethnocentrism too, but I try to avoid this as much as possible. I am speculating based upon what is known of tax collectors in Jewish society. At some point, we have to speculate because historical evidence becomes more elusive as time passes. Now you know what I think and how I reason this logically. I hope my tone here is civil enough for you.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#422133 Nov 23, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
The Wailing Wall isn't a "basement." It is the only part left of the platform that the temple was built upon. In some places this "platform" was 9 stories high. Have you been there to see it? The platform was built as an extension of the hill (called mountains by the Jews). You're trying to nitpick technical details to prove your point without sufficient personal knowledge of the subject, which I happen to have.
Would you disbelieve your doctor if he said that a growth on your kidney wasn't a part of your kidney or would you deny his personal knowledge of the subject?
Save up some $$, go to Jerusalem, and see for yourself. If you do go, avoid the Gaza Strip (for obvious reasons) and Salah ed-Din St.
Some streets in extreme orthodox areas are blocked off on weekends.
Security is tight. Expect to be searched. Dress moderately to avoid suspicion. Ein Kerem is a neat little neighborhood on the west side with good food and some interesting art studios and galleries. Try it sometime. You might be surprised at what you learn.
It's called the Western Wall, expert.

And unless the pictures lie, it consists of stones still standing one atop another.

Why is that, do you suppose?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#422134 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>WEll, he's leaving to put out imaginary fires on another Topix thread. I did not expect him to stay and answer to his own claim. But I am a little disappointed that he cut and ran.
I remain unsurprised.

What was that word again?

Buttinsky?

Interferenceist?

Oh, "Interventionist". That was it.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#422135 Nov 23, 2012
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans go home!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XbI-fDzUJXIXX
Romani ite domum!
*helpless laughter*

Since: Jul 09

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#422136 Nov 23, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Karl!
hi Guy

“Once You've Gone Witch---”

Since: May 10

"--You Won't Ever Switch!"

#422137 Nov 23, 2012
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus exsisted Freakshow.
No he didn't, coward viking. And there's nothing you can do about it.
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text> No other person EVER has affected our humanity.
History is filled with *REAL* people who have affected our humanity for the better.
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text> Why not put your real picture on the page....I think you are an ugly......
I defy you to prove that it *isn't* my real picture. I think you are an idiot; and I don't care what *you* think.

“Once You've Gone Witch---”

Since: May 10

"--You Won't Ever Switch!"

#422138 Nov 23, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
I can tell that you comprehend the bible in a literal manner.
Hey, it's *your* literal word of god, not mine. Unless you admit that it's more what you'd call guidelines, in which case you are in direct contradiction to the christian faith.

Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>It's useless trying to explain it, because you don't want an explanation
No, it's because you *can't* explain it.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> Now if you want to talk about dogs or cats, I'm sure you will know more than I do. I know they have fur. Dogs bark, and cats meow. They eat. They poop. They play. Feel free to tell me all about them. I think that's why you take the bible literally.
Do you, as a christian, take your bible as "god's infallible word?" A simple yes or no will do.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> You're so used to reading charts where what it says is what it means, and that's fine for the medical profession. But that approach doesn't work with the Bible. I can admit that the bible can be a very difficult piece of literature to comprehend.
I comprehend the English version well enough; it's crap.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> Anyone who says they have it all figured out 100% is crazy,
Then that includes me, Thomas Paine, and millions of other people. I'm in good company.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text> .... While many of you may think I'm arrogant, I can assure you that I'm really not. But for a layman who has never been enrolled in a theological seminary or other divinity school, I think I'm way above average in my knowledge.
Yeah, you would. What else is new?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#422140 Nov 23, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Good imagination, but a pure straw-man fallacy. In your analogy you're using the modern criminal procedure template in which the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. With regard to history, the criteria aren't that high. It would be unreasonable and ridiculous to even attempt to hold history to such a high standard. I should know. I conduct historical research part time for a local historical society. Whether secular or religious, all reliable history must adhere to basic criteria. Now I'm sure you have some Biblical text in mind that you want to apply this analogy to. So what is it?
How about Mark 1:[9] And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

Nazareth of Galilee did not even exist at the time of jesus(proven by archeology). It didn't exist until after 100 AD-and not where the catholics said it did. It would have been impossible and totally inappropriate, as it was an area of burial.
There goes the credibility of the gospel...and it proves the fact that it was written after the cite was actually established, and the writer did not even realize it at the time it was written.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#422141 Nov 23, 2012
"archaeology"

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#422142 Nov 24, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
Your jesus never existed, and your buybull's "prophecies" are so vague and ambiguous as to be totally meaningless, yet easily *interpreted* as accurate after any given event. Not only do professional psychics work the same way, they undoubtedly got the idea for their scam from the buybull.
<quoted text>
And I don't take your cherry picked sources seriously.
You never did answer my quesiton: what does your god have to gain by punishing people for all eternity in the "lake of fire" for committing the thought crime of disbelief? What is there to be learned?
<quoted text>
Then you are in direct conflict with your "word of god."
<quoted text>
Then you disagree again with your buybull.
<quoted text>
That's not what your buybull says, though.
<quoted text>
Revelations 21:8--"But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING (emphasis added, just for you) and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
This clearly shows that *disbelief is a thought crime.*
<quoted text>
That does not tell us what he *does* gain by throwing people into the aforementioned lake of fire for the aforementioned thought crime of disbelief, as described in your bible.
<quoted text>
In other words, slavish and blind obedience. Thanks for clearing that up.
For a christian, you sure do contradict your "infallible word of God" a lot. Or are you prepared to concede the fact that the bible, like Captain Barbossa's Pirate's Code, "is more what you'd call guidelines" than the actual word of god?
You never answered *that* question, either.
Revelations 21:8--"But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING (emphasis added, just for you) and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Second death WW, not the first death, which is the physical death! Why would all of the above in 21:8 end up in the same place as those who have an honorable intent? It is bad enough living with them here on earth, we surely don't need that for eternity. We each take with us that which we have earned.......

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#422143 Nov 24, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
No he didn't, coward viking. And there's nothing you can do about it.
<quoted text>
History is filled with *REAL* people who have affected our humanity for the better.
<quoted text>
I defy you to prove that it *isn't* my real picture. I think you are an idiot; and I don't care what *you* think.
May I suggest that we make out? I am a good looking male .....if you look like your pic.....I would do you so well........

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#422144 Nov 24, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>
Revelations 21:8--"But for the cowardly and UNBELIEVING (emphasis added, just for you) and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Second death WW, not the first death, which is the physical death! Why would all of the above in 21:8 end up in the same place as those who have an honorable intent? It is bad enough living with them here on earth, we surely don't need that for eternity. We each take with us that which we have earned.......
Seriously? You quote Revelations in judging others? Wouldn't you better serve your alleged status as a Christian by quoting Christ on tolerance, love, nonjudgment and compassion? Just saying...

“What do I know?”

Since: Apr 08

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422145 Nov 24, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>
Fine. Then go to Hell where you belong, you stupid ass.
Hell is a fable.

Never really thought much about it, have you?

And getting angry doesn't achieve anything.

Bye, now.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#422146 Nov 24, 2012
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll tell ya, friend, if you don't see the smug condescending tone you've taken to using, you are quite possibly borderline sociopathic. If you are aware of it, then you're just another puffed-up pompous piety-peddler. We've seen scores of them file through here, believe me, each one declaring their Pyrrhic "victories", which itself belies a deep insecurity. In either case, it ain't conducive to a genuine dialogue. Just sayin'...
You're not going to catch too many flies using this tactic of asserting your research as somehow more in-depth and superior to those you deign to converse with. Again, if you've never come across anything that gives you pause, and so far you've admitted none, then you very obviously "researched" only that which underscored your pre-convictions. At the same time, you recognize it as a weakness, so you attempt to pre-emptively blunt such a charge with the common rhetorical tactic of accusing it in others before it can be used against you.
How would it be if you assume that your dance partner may have tramped these steps just as lively as yourself? Could it be that these lowly sinners really DO take the question seriously, really DO yearn for spiritual and/or philosophical truths, really do care for the nature of man and his folly? I've said it before - we ain't no young pups here (but dashed good-looking for all that;) and we're well past the age of seeking to escape our responsibilities to a possible God. We each of us also have our own "very unique perspective" on the scripture we grew up with, and which many of us lived with conviction, until that is, we got really serious about it and actually examined that which we'd believed. A little credit, as a courtesy, if nothing else?
<quoted text>This is where your argument is weakest. It is the "core historical" FACTS (as opposed to subjective "truths") that most severely undermine the gospel accounts, and yes, I say that having researched extensively the cultural and historical context. Again, faith that relies on historical "truths" is not faith at all. Paul warned you about that, didn't he?
Very well said Hip...excellent.

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#422147 Nov 24, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>
My day started off great yesterday....just like every day does. I'm not the one going to Hell.
It's YOU that starts and ends each day in misery and fear.
This is the stuff used to indoctrinate children and weak minded people.
You are in the wrong place christer. We don't buy your projection.
Maybe if you gave up your religion you'd undersand that others don't live in the misery and fear you've been taught to experience.
I pity you.

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