Why I’m no longer a Christian

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#422201 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I somehow doubt seriously that you feel about them the way I do. Especiall women's rights.
As far as I know, Native Americans have never tried to have laws passed to put up their religious beliefs on government property. If you have a case of such, I'll be glad to look at it.
When ID can have the repeatable, testable evidence as does what is taught in a science class, then everyone should look at it again. At this point, it deserves no equality because it's sole purpose is to promote a God it cannot prove nor provide for testing. Not only that, it ID promotes a specific God. There is not a single person promoting ID in this country but Christians. If you have a method of testing the supernatural, let the scientists know. I'm sure they'll be interested.
As for women's rights, I doubt again that you hold the same views any female holds. You couldn't possibly know what it's like to have a male tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body. Men are perfectly willing to do what it takes to make a baby. They are perfectly willing to allow the government to pay for Viagra and other drugs so they are physically able to perform. But They are not willing to allow a woman birth control? Come on.
There is no such thing as 'Obama-care'. There is however a National Health Care Act. It is basically the same health care program that Mitt Romney put together for his state. No one in that state is complaining about health care, though many did before it was enacted. Check it out.
I do not know why women have to continue to fight for their own bodies. Religion says that men are to make their decisions. I think it is, or should be, illegal for that to happen under our Constitution.
We've had a predominantly Republican Congress for over three years. They will make stump speeches about Roe v Wade in order to get the vote of males, but won't touch it as far as trying to change it. You figure that out.
Women should never have had to fight for the right to vote, to have a bank account, to own property, to have the same wages for the same job and damn well shouldn't have to fight to keep R v W in place, much less to get birth control.
Men are just as 'guilty' as women when it comes to not wanting a child. The difference is, they can deposit their sperm and walk away and never have to raise the child. A woman cannot walk away because she is the receptacle, and you'd like to keep that way. How many people standing in front of an abortion clinic are holding signs that say 'Don't have an abortion, I'll adopt your child and make sure they have a good home, a good education and health care'.? None. That's the hypocrisy. How many of those same people who say they are pro-life also believe that war is the answer to peaceful solutions? How many of them believe in the death penalty? Most of them. So they are not pro-life, they are anti-abortion. Pro-life just sounds better and makes those who think it's a woman's right to choose sound as if they are anti-life.
Are you aware that 31 states allow a man who has fathered a child by rape visiting rights for that child? I'm sure you think that's just fine too.
But this thread is not about any of that. It's about why we are no longer Christians. The fact that fundamentalist Congressmen are trying to put us back in the dark ages and impose their Biblical laws on every citizen is part of why many of us are no longer Christians, however.
Beautiful.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#422202 Nov 24, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I will campaign with you to have nativity scenes displayed
IF
you help me to get the displays of all other faiths displayed during their holiday seasons.
I will campaign to get prayer back in school
IF
you help me get the prayers of ALL faiths in schools.
I will campaign to hate the Ten Commandments put back on the court house walls
IF
you will help me have the commandments of ALL faiths put up right beside them.
I will campaign to have creation taught in schools
IF
you help me have ALL theories of origin also taught.
Hopefully you get my point.
This country was not founded for the express purpose of protecting the religion of the majority. It was founded to protect the rights of ALL. Our constitution actually is written to protect the rights of the minority from the majority. It doesn't always happen that way but that is the intent.
BTW Since I and others here are of Native American decent I would like these commandments to be in a prominent spot...
The Ten Native American Commandments
1. Treat the Earth and all that dwell thereon with respect.
2. Remain close to the Great Spirit, in all that you do.
3. Show great respect for your fellow beings.
(Especially Respect yourself)
4. Work together for the benefit of all Mankind.
5. Give assistance and kindness wherever needed.
6. Do what you know to be right.
(But be careful not to fall into self-righteousness)
7. Look after the well being of mind and body.
8. Dedicate a share of your efforts to the greater good.
9. Be truthful and honest at all times.
(Especially be truthful and honest with your self)
10. Take full responsibility for your actions.
I will thank you in advance for all the help that you will give in making sure that we are ALL represented in this country.
There is this saying...
Be careful what you wish for...you might get more than what you bargained for...or something like that!
Exellent Annie, I gotta save this...

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#422203 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I somehow doubt seriously that you feel about them the way I do. Especiall women's rights.
As far as I know, Native Americans have never tried to have laws passed to put up their religious beliefs on government property. If you have a case of such, I'll be glad to look at it.
When ID can have the repeatable, testable evidence as does what is taught in a science class, then everyone should look at it again. At this point, it deserves no equality because it's sole purpose is to promote a God it cannot prove nor provide for testing. Not only that, it ID promotes a specific God. There is not a single person promoting ID in this country but Christians. If you have a method of testing the supernatural, let the scientists know. I'm sure they'll be interested.
As for women's rights, I doubt again that you hold the same views any female holds. You couldn't possibly know what it's like to have a male tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body. Men are perfectly willing to do what it takes to make a baby. They are perfectly willing to allow the government to pay for Viagra and other drugs so they are physically able to perform. But They are not willing to allow a woman birth control? Come on.
There is no such thing as 'Obama-care'. There is however a National Health Care Act. It is basically the same health care program that Mitt Romney put together for his state. No one in that state is complaining about health care, though many did before it was enacted. Check it out.
I do not know why women have to continue to fight for their own bodies. Religion says that men are to make their decisions. I think it is, or should be, illegal for that to happen under our Constitution.
We've had a predominantly Republican Congress for over three years. They will make stump speeches about Roe v Wade in order to get the vote of males, but won't touch it as far as trying to change it. You figure that out.
Women should never have had to fight for the right to vote, to have a bank account, to own property, to have the same wages for the same job and damn well shouldn't have to fight to keep R v W in place, much less to get birth control.
Men are just as 'guilty' as women when it comes to not wanting a child. The difference is, they can deposit their sperm and walk away and never have to raise the child. A woman cannot walk away because she is the receptacle, and you'd like to keep that way. How many people standing in front of an abortion clinic are holding signs that say 'Don't have an abortion, I'll adopt your child and make sure they have a good home, a good education and health care'.? None. That's the hypocrisy. How many of those same people who say they are pro-life also believe that war is the answer to peaceful solutions? How many of them believe in the death penalty? Most of them. So they are not pro-life, they are anti-abortion. Pro-life just sounds better and makes those who think it's a woman's right to choose sound as if they are anti-life.
Are you aware that 31 states allow a man who has fathered a child by rape visiting rights for that child? I'm sure you think that's just fine too.
But this thread is not about any of that. It's about why we are no longer Christians. The fact that fundamentalist Congressmen are trying to put us back in the dark ages and impose their Biblical laws on every citizen is part of why many of us are no longer Christians, however.
More excellent points...thanks W_N

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#422204 Nov 24, 2012
Turn the other cheek, unless the strike hit you in the eye a little, then, it's an eye for an eye, or you get hit by a witch, or imagine that a witch did something to you. Any little pimple you might wake up with is excuse enough.

Love thy neighbor, unless they are a witch, and then you should not let them live.

Honor thy father and mother, again, unless they are a witch.

Thou shalt not kill, unless you've read the rest of the book. Remember the witch thing.

Do not covet thy neighbors wife, unless you covet to burn her as a witch.

I wonder how the Bible defines witchcraft.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422205 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>....there is much that you are not qualified to discuss with me on my ....
This is true. I try very hard not to lower my standard of ethics, intelligence and academics.
Just a test

Argyle, FL

#422206 Nov 24, 2012

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#422207 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>It has never failed that when I asked a person who was ranting for the 'right' to put up the ten commandments about the rights of other religions to put up their religious writings that they said 'No'. They do not wish for everyone to have equal rights. Only them. That is coming to an end.
Hehe...the christains always scream the loudest. They've had this monopoly and they are losing it one day at a time.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422208 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>You're confusing Jews with Kenites,those that "claim"that they are Jews or of the tribe of Judah but are not. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 testifies to this fact. God calls their deception of claiming they are Jews a blasphemy.
As I stated earlier,there is much that you are not qualified to discuss with me on my level my friend and if I were to take you there it would only serve to confuse you even more than you already are. So I say again, a descendant of Cain cannot farm the land even to this day. Many of them are calling themselves Jews AKA,OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH but in fact are impostors and are nothing but KENITES aka children of Cain that have stolen the identity of Judah and have fooled the unaware like yourselfinto believing that they are Jews.
Now why in the world am I discussing all this with you.Might as well be trying to teach you Chinese Arithmetic,LOL
Moses got the idea for his religion from the Kenites.
Moses apparently identified Jethro's concept of God, El Shaddai/Yowi, with Yahweh, According to the Kenite hypothesis, Yahweh was originally the tribal god of Jethro, borrowed and adapted by the Hebrews via Moses.

1. The Kenites have nothing to do with Cain. They were a Midian tribe.
2. Judaism is based on the Kenite religion.
God STILL love you all

Argyle, FL

#422209 Nov 24, 2012
I think you probably do.
I dont hate you or hold malice towards you because you dont believe in the truth but I hope you can find or return to the Lord, Jesus Christ, before it is too late. Here is the good news though, if you reject Jesus he will not force you to follow him.
Tide with Beach wrote:
Turn the other cheek, unless the strike hit you in the eye a little, then, it's an eye for an eye, or you get hit by a witch, or imagine that a witch did something to you. Any little pimple you might wake up with is excuse enough.
Love thy neighbor, unless they are a witch, and then you should not let them live.
Honor thy father and mother, again, unless they are a witch.
Thou shalt not kill, unless you've read the rest of the book. Remember the witch thing.
Do not covet thy neighbors wife, unless you covet to burn her as a witch.
I wonder how the Bible defines witchcraft.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422210 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
.... Now my question is this: If no video footage existed, no pictures, no audio; could I write a reliable history of the event to be published in time for the 50th anniversary of this tragic event, and be fairly accurate in what I reported?...
No, you couldn't and that is why the Bible is unreliable and full of mistakes and outright fraud.

Thank you for proving my case.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422211 Nov 24, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I will campaign with you to have nativity scenes displayed
IF
you help me to get the displays of all other faiths displayed during their holiday seasons.
I will campaign to get prayer back in school
IF
you help me get the prayers of ALL faiths in schools.
I will campaign to hate the Ten Commandments put back on the court house walls
IF
you will help me have the commandments of ALL faiths put up right beside them.
I will campaign to have creation taught in schools
IF
you help me have ALL theories of origin also taught.
Hopefully you get my point.
This country was not founded for the express purpose of protecting the religion of the majority. It was founded to protect the rights of ALL. Our constitution actually is written to protect the rights of the minority from the majority. It doesn't always happen that way but that is the intent.
BTW Since I and others here are of Native American decent I would like these commandments to be in a prominent spot...
The Ten Native American Commandments
1. Treat the Earth and all that dwell thereon with respect.
2. Remain close to the Great Spirit, in all that you do.
3. Show great respect for your fellow beings.
(Especially Respect yourself)
4. Work together for the benefit of all Mankind.
5. Give assistance and kindness wherever needed.
6. Do what you know to be right.
(But be careful not to fall into self-righteousness)
7. Look after the well being of mind and body.
8. Dedicate a share of your efforts to the greater good.
9. Be truthful and honest at all times.
(Especially be truthful and honest with your self)
10. Take full responsibility for your actions.
I will thank you in advance for all the help that you will give in making sure that we are ALL represented in this country.
There is this saying...
Be careful what you wish for...you might get more than what you bargained for...or something like that!
Amen!

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422212 Nov 24, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
This is true. I try very hard not to lower my standard of ethics, intelligence and academics.
You do realize the contradiction in your above statement right? Now see I could be mean and nasty but an break you down to your lowest common denominator but I wouldn't be edifying anyone nor would I be glorying God if I allowed my personal feelings to dictate my attitude.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422213 Nov 24, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Hehe...the christains always scream the loudest. They've had this monopoly and they are losing it one day at a time.
They are not crying that they have had the privilidge of displaying their religion on public property for over 100 years, they are complaining that they have to either stop it or allow other religions the same priviledge.

I am supprosed they aren't trying to force medical schools to teach faith healing and exorcism.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422214 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize the contradiction in your above statement right? Now see I could be mean and nasty but an break you down to your lowest common denominator but I wouldn't be edifying anyone nor would I be glorying God if I allowed my personal feelings to dictate my attitude.
I already posted my credentials. Lets see yours.

Put up or shut up.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#422215 Nov 24, 2012
Any book claiming to contain superior morals would explicitly condemn slavery at every opportunity. Any book inspired by a moral god would explicitly condemn slavery at every opportunity.

Slavery is not explicitly condemned in the Bible. I can conclude that, at the very least, scripture pertaining to slavery is absent any influence of a moral god.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422216 Nov 24, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Moses got the idea for his religion from the Kenites.
Moses apparently identified Jethro's concept of God, El Shaddai/Yowi, with Yahweh, According to the Kenite hypothesis, Yahweh was originally the tribal god of Jethro, borrowed and adapted by the Hebrews via Moses.
1. The Kenites have nothing to do with Cain. They were a Midian tribe.
2. Judaism is based on the Kenite religion.
Just let itgo sonny before you hurt yourself. I have already shown you in the book of Ezra how and when the religion of the Jews aka the kenites started hijacking the true tribe of Judah and installed that Babylonian religion called Judaism. All those "JEWS"that returned from captivity were not Jews but were in fact Babylonians. They were and are the sons of Cain.Didn'tyou say that you studiedwith a Strongs Concordance or were you doing what you do best and lied when you made that statement?Ifso, then checkout Dr.Strongsdefinition of a Kenite andyouwill see that hedefines them as sons of Cain. Now get the real Strongs concordance and not one of those that have changed much of Dr.Strongs original works in his concordance. Those changes to his concordance were also the work of a Kenite out to deceive the masses such as yourself.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422217 Nov 24, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
I already posted my credentials. Lets see yours.
Put up or shut up.
Aww now pookie,lol. What higher credential can I present than my ability to """"" """accurately """"" """ teach Gods word and hopefully inmy teaching,God may be glorified instead of my ego being stroked like you stroke yours instead of glorifying God.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#422218 Nov 24, 2012
God STILL love you all wrote:
I think you probably do.
I dont hate you or hold malice towards you because you dont believe in the truth
You mean YOUR truth. Thanks for not hating me.
God STILL love you all wrote:
but I hope you can find or return to the Lord, Jesus Christ, before it is too late.
From my perspective, this is like wishing torture upon me. Now that you know, you should keep these thoughts to yourself.
God STILL love you all wrote:
Here is the good news though, if you reject Jesus he will not force you to follow him.
Oh, okay.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422219 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>... All those "JEWS"that returned from captivity were not Jews but were in fact Babylonians.....
ROFLMAO

Are you a new-age Samaritan ?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#422220 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>....What higher credential can I present than my ability to """"" """accurately """"" """ teach Gods word ....
Proof of a High School diploma would be a start.

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