Why I’m no longer a Christian

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#422181 Nov 24, 2012
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
And they should stop all their complaining and count their blessings that they are in a good country that permits options, unlike China and other athiest utopias.
You mean count our blessings and name them one by one???

Okay...I will go first...

The First Amendment includes all of us...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; (meaning that our government has no say in what religion that you nor I must follow)

or

abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; (just think...this allows us to say or write (in the case of Topix) our opinions...even if they differ that someone elses)

or

the right of the people peaceably to assemble,(giving us the right to assemble here on this internet site and discuss our views)

and

to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.(aaaah...if our rights (or blessings) are being trampled upon we can take it to the government)

For all of the above...I am blessed.

Now as far as China and other utopias (where ever those are) why would anyone have to travel so far when we have all of those rights here in the US as outlined in the First Amendment.

Now for a few more blessings...

I have access to the internet and a computer in order to exercise that First Amendment.

I have vision to read your post complaining about others exercising their First Amendment rights...I won't however tell you to move to China and those other utopias (where they might be) since that First Amendment also applies to you.

I have many other blessings but I will turn it over to someone else...

So...I leave you with this...

Count Your Blessings Instead of Sheep

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Since: Sep 12

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#422182 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Then the Christians who are always crying about their rights being taken away in the US should also be thankful for the same.
Every time I have asked what 'rights' have been taken away, I never get an answer.
You have the right to believe. You have the right to whine and complain. You even have the right to lie for your religion should you choose to. So what rights have been taken away?
Well some would complain that the right to display a Nativity scene during the Christmas Holiday, or the right to voluntary public prayer in school has been suppressed. Then there are those who voice concerns over the equality of offering evolution and creation classes in public high schools. Roe vs. Wade, and Obama-care are some sensitive issues. While I don't personally complain, I can understand how some people may feel about these issues.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422183 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Well, that would confirm the post I answered, where the poster said that Noah's bloodline was pure. Even Noah married someone from a different area. So that argument is nailed to a cross.
Only the Biblically illiterate believes that Noah's bloodline was impure. No pointin aruging the fact with unlearned atheists that think they are even more intelligent than God Himsllf.

As scripture states,some of you thnik you are wise but they became fools instead. Always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#422184 Nov 24, 2012
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
And they should stop all their complaining and count their blessings that they are in a good country that permits options, unlike China and other athiest utopias.
Yes, we all count our blessings every day. We are blessed that sanity has prevailed because of opposition to christian beliefs that would and have taken away the rights of others at every corner. If christians had their way we'd still be burning witches, slavery would be legal, the kkk would be a political party, and the westboro baptists would have legal right to kill gays on sight.
I'm glad and blessed "Atheists" have and continue to stand up to horrible people like you...and you can count the days as you continue to lose your strangle hold on myself and other free Americans.
Have a nice day.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422185 Nov 24, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that some feel as if their right to start a war against all of us heathens is now shunned upon. Lately as I have been reading this thread...this song keeps going through my head...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =O9DHgnKeAxoXX
Onward Christian soldier going off to war...
During my youth I was the pianist for not only my church but a visiting one for several of the churches in the community when they need a fill in. This song was usually on the list of requests. I loved playing it so it was always a welcome choice.
Silly me...I never realized that they meant it literally and that at least once or twice they actually..."went off to war"!
Aaaah the innocence of youth...and the things that they don't tell you as a child.
I never thought of it that way either. But you've just given the topix trolls a theme song.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422186 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> By the way, if only 8 people are left to repopulate the earth, and they were all one family, incest would be a must rather than an option, wouldn't it? Kinda like Adam and Eve being the only ones on earth to start with. Their sons would have had to procreate via their mother. Of course, this isn't what the Bible says. Someone skipped over the fact that there were evidently people elsewhere that their sons went to get a wife.
It's a jumbled mess, is what it is.
I've been teaching the fact ever since I've been here that Adam and Eve were NOT the first people on earth.

And the flood wasNOT worldwide so the other races were not wiped out.

Many of my Christian brethren,like most unbelievers totally misunderstand much of the bible.

That's why I get shocked whenever an atheist can comprehend some of the scriptures a little better than some Christians do.Makes one go hmmm.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422187 Nov 24, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
You have never been to Israel have you ?
ROFLMAO
A Jew can't be a farmer ? I smell Poe.
You're confusing Jews with Kenites,those that "claim"that they are Jews or of the tribe of Judah but are not. Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 testifies to this fact. God calls their deception of claiming they are Jews a blasphemy.

As I stated earlier,there is much that you are not qualified to discuss with me on my level my friend and if I were to take you there it would only serve to confuse you even more than you already are. So I say again, a descendant of Cain cannot farm the land even to this day. Many of them are calling themselves Jews AKA,OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH but in fact are impostors and are nothing but KENITES aka children of Cain that have stolen the identity of Judah and have fooled the unaware like yourselfinto believing that they are Jews.

Now why in the world am I discussing all this with you.Might as well be trying to teach you Chinese Arithmetic,LOL

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#422188 Nov 24, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Because nothing was written while Jesus was alive.
Even ten years is too long. We have the clay tablets from Ur of 4000+ years ago, the Hebrew Scriptures from 2200 years ago but not a thing survives about Jesus until 200 years after he died. Through paleography, scholars have placed the letters of Paul as the earliest of the NT texts and that they were written decades after Jesus died abnd have no information at all about Jesus. The next earliest is Mark which is also from decades after Jesus died.
Okay now it's my turn to slap myself in the face <facepalm>. That's presupposition talking right there. How can you be so sure that Matthew didn't actually write notes while Jesus was still alive? Were you there? No? Me neither. So I admit that I am speculating, but from a historian's perspective, my speculation is plausible. Matthew was a tax collector. That's actually embarrassing to the early church! Tax collectors were despised in Jewish culture, especially when working on behalf of the hated Romans. Tax collectors were required to submit written records! That means tax collectors knew how to write, and very likely supplied their own papyrus and writing stylus! C'mon man! Think outside your own presuppositions! It's elementary ("my dear Watson!") and so easy to see when you really consider the plausibility and drop your own presuppositions.

Yes it's true that Paul wrote first, but there is plausible reason to believe it was within 10 years of Jesus' death. Before I continue, let me ask you a question regarding the passage of time and how history is written.

We are within 50 years of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. I don't know about you, but I wasn't due to appear for another 13 months to the very day. Now my question is this: If no video footage existed, no pictures, no audio; could I write a reliable history of the event to be published in time for the 50th anniversary of this tragic event, and be fairly accurate in what I reported?

***Remember, in this scenario you have to imagine that no modern media such as pictures, film, or audio of the fatal gunshot exists***

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422189 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Well some would complain that the right to display a Nativity scene during the Christmas Holiday, or the right to voluntary public prayer in school has been suppressed. Then there are those who voice concerns over the equality of offering evolution and creation classes in public high schools. Roe vs. Wade, and Obama-care are some sensitive issues. While I don't personally complain, I can understand how some people may feel about these issues.
I somehow doubt seriously that you feel about them the way I do. Especiall women's rights.

As far as I know, Native Americans have never tried to have laws passed to put up their religious beliefs on government property. If you have a case of such, I'll be glad to look at it.

When ID can have the repeatable, testable evidence as does what is taught in a science class, then everyone should look at it again. At this point, it deserves no equality because it's sole purpose is to promote a God it cannot prove nor provide for testing. Not only that, it ID promotes a specific God. There is not a single person promoting ID in this country but Christians. If you have a method of testing the supernatural, let the scientists know. I'm sure they'll be interested.

As for women's rights, I doubt again that you hold the same views any female holds. You couldn't possibly know what it's like to have a male tell you what you can and cannot do with your own body. Men are perfectly willing to do what it takes to make a baby. They are perfectly willing to allow the government to pay for Viagra and other drugs so they are physically able to perform. But They are not willing to allow a woman birth control? Come on.

There is no such thing as 'Obama-care'. There is however a National Health Care Act. It is basically the same health care program that Mitt Romney put together for his state. No one in that state is complaining about health care, though many did before it was enacted. Check it out.

I do not know why women have to continue to fight for their own bodies. Religion says that men are to make their decisions. I think it is, or should be, illegal for that to happen under our Constitution.

We've had a predominantly Republican Congress for over three years. They will make stump speeches about Roe v Wade in order to get the vote of males, but won't touch it as far as trying to change it. You figure that out.

Women should never have had to fight for the right to vote, to have a bank account, to own property, to have the same wages for the same job and damn well shouldn't have to fight to keep R v W in place, much less to get birth control.

Men are just as 'guilty' as women when it comes to not wanting a child. The difference is, they can deposit their sperm and walk away and never have to raise the child. A woman cannot walk away because she is the receptacle, and you'd like to keep that way. How many people standing in front of an abortion clinic are holding signs that say 'Don't have an abortion, I'll adopt your child and make sure they have a good home, a good education and health care'.? None. That's the hypocrisy. How many of those same people who say they are pro-life also believe that war is the answer to peaceful solutions? How many of them believe in the death penalty? Most of them. So they are not pro-life, they are anti-abortion. Pro-life just sounds better and makes those who think it's a woman's right to choose sound as if they are anti-life.

Are you aware that 31 states allow a man who has fathered a child by rape visiting rights for that child? I'm sure you think that's just fine too.

But this thread is not about any of that. It's about why we are no longer Christians. The fact that fundamentalist Congressmen are trying to put us back in the dark ages and impose their Biblical laws on every citizen is part of why many of us are no longer Christians, however.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Maryland

#422190 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Well some would complain that the right to display a Nativity scene during the Christmas Holiday, or the right to voluntary public prayer in school has been suppressed. Then there are those who voice concerns over the equality of offering evolution and creation classes in public high schools. Roe vs. Wade, and Obama-care are some sensitive issues. While I don't personally complain, I can understand how some people may feel about these issues.
Public buildings and property and Public schools are not the places to display religion of any kind....period. Scenes of the nativity, prayer, and creation are of religious orientation and belong in the churches and homes of those who practice.
No supression there at all.
Total failure on your part to make a point what so ever.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#422191 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>Only the Biblically illiterate believes that Noah's bloodline was impure. No pointin aruging the fact with unlearned atheists that think they are even more intelligent than God Himsllf.
As scripture states,some of you thnik you are wise but they became fools instead. Always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth
You mean the scriptures that say incest is a valid means of repopulating the planet? That slavery is a great idea? That murder is okay as long as it's for your god? That pi is 3? That bats are birds?....

Yeah, if that's the word of your god, then we all are more intelligent, even you are more intelligent than your god, in spite of being some of the most gullible imbeciles on the planet.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#422192 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Well some would complain that the right to display a Nativity scene during the Christmas Holiday, or the right to voluntary public prayer in school has been suppressed. Then there are those who voice concerns over the equality of offering evolution and creation classes in public high schools. Roe vs. Wade, and Obama-care are some sensitive issues. While I don't personally complain, I can understand how some people may feel about these issues.
I will campaign with you to have nativity scenes displayed

IF

you help me to get the displays of all other faiths displayed during their holiday seasons.

I will campaign to get prayer back in school

IF

you help me get the prayers of ALL faiths in schools.

I will campaign to hate the Ten Commandments put back on the court house walls

IF

you will help me have the commandments of ALL faiths put up right beside them.

I will campaign to have creation taught in schools

IF

you help me have ALL theories of origin also taught.

Hopefully you get my point.

This country was not founded for the express purpose of protecting the religion of the majority. It was founded to protect the rights of ALL. Our constitution actually is written to protect the rights of the minority from the majority. It doesn't always happen that way but that is the intent.

BTW Since I and others here are of Native American decent I would like these commandments to be in a prominent spot...

The Ten Native American Commandments

1. Treat the Earth and all that dwell thereon with respect.

2. Remain close to the Great Spirit, in all that you do.

3. Show great respect for your fellow beings.
(Especially Respect yourself)

4. Work together for the benefit of all Mankind.

5. Give assistance and kindness wherever needed.

6. Do what you know to be right.
(But be careful not to fall into self-righteousness)

7. Look after the well being of mind and body.

8. Dedicate a share of your efforts to the greater good.

9. Be truthful and honest at all times.
(Especially be truthful and honest with your self)

10. Take full responsibility for your actions.

I will thank you in advance for all the help that you will give in making sure that we are ALL represented in this country.

There is this saying...

Be careful what you wish for...you might get more than what you bargained for...or something like that!

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422193 Nov 24, 2012
Cvvl wrote:
<quoted text>
The cherished "right" to impose. That's the one they miss most of all, the absence of which is the cause of all the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth.
Hey there, CVVL! Good to see you back here.

Yep, you're exactly right.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#422194 Nov 24, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>I never thought of it that way either. But you've just given the topix trolls a theme song.
LOL

Forward in to battle...see those banners go!

Even a few Christians are now seeing this as a call to arms against those outside the church. Interesting write-up on this song...

http://www.christiancentury.org/article/2012-...

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422195 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>I've been teaching the fact ever since I've been here that Adam and Eve were NOT the first people on earth.
And the flood wasNOT worldwide so the other races were not wiped out.
Many of my Christian brethren,like most unbelievers totally misunderstand much of the bible.
That's why I get shocked whenever an atheist can comprehend some of the scriptures a little better than some Christians do.Makes one go hmmm.
You're not an accredited teacher, here or anywhere else.

You are a hate-filled individual who needs to understand that you are the last person on earth a sane person would listen to.

Don't be shocked. Atheists usually know more about your Bible than you do. And they don't have to use apologetics.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#422196 Nov 24, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean the scriptures that say incest is a valid means of repopulating the planet? That slavery is a great idea? That murder is okay as long as it's for your god? That pi is 3? That bats are birds?....
Yeah, if that's the word of your god, then we all are more intelligent, even you are more intelligent than your god, in spite of being some of the most gullible imbeciles on the planet.
You haven'tactually read the Bible have you? After your above statement,please don't say that you have.If you have actually really read the scriptures then they were way too difficult for you to comprehend them.Maybe you should just leave them alone before you hurt yourself or worse,someone else.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422197 Nov 24, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay now it's my turn to slap myself in the face <facepalm>. That's presupposition talking right there. How can you be so sure that Matthew didn't actually write notes while Jesus was still alive? Were you there? No? Me neither. So I admit that I am speculating, but from a historian's perspective, my speculation is plausible. Matthew was a tax collector. That's actually embarrassing to the early church! Tax collectors were despised in Jewish culture, especially when working on behalf of the hated Romans. Tax collectors were required to submit written records! That means tax collectors knew how to write, and very likely supplied their own papyrus and writing stylus! C'mon man! Think outside your own presuppositions! It's elementary ("my dear Watson!") and so easy to see when you really consider the plausibility and drop your own presuppositions.
Yes it's true that Paul wrote first, but there is plausible reason to believe it was within 10 years of Jesus' death. Before I continue, let me ask you a question regarding the passage of time and how history is written.
We are within 50 years of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. I don't know about you, but I wasn't due to appear for another 13 months to the very day. Now my question is this: If no video footage existed, no pictures, no audio; could I write a reliable history of the event to be published in time for the 50th anniversary of this tragic event, and be fairly accurate in what I reported?
***Remember, in this scenario you have to imagine that no modern media such as pictures, film, or audio of the fatal gunshot exists***
If you wrote a reliable account of a death of someone so important immediately after it happened, and others wrote about it immediately after it happened, and your account and theirs matched, the answer to your question would be yes.

If you wrote about it decades later and others waited till decades later and there was not even a consensus on how many people were present in the car in which he was shot, then the answer would be no. Surely you understand the difference between the two scenarios.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#422198 Nov 24, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>You haven'tactually read the Bible have you? After your above statement,please don't say that you have.If you have actually really read the scriptures then they were way too difficult for you to comprehend them.Maybe you should just leave them alone before you hurt yourself or worse,someone else.
Now you're projecting in a dishonest attempt to discredit someone who points out the reality of your book. You can't deny what everyone can look up with Google.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422199 Nov 24, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
Public buildings and property and Public schools are not the places to display religion of any kind....period. Scenes of the nativity, prayer, and creation are of religious orientation and belong in the churches and homes of those who practice.
No supression there at all.
Total failure on your part to make a point what so ever.
It has never failed that when I asked a person who was ranting for the 'right' to put up the ten commandments about the rights of other religions to put up their religious writings that they said 'No'. They do not wish for everyone to have equal rights. Only them. That is coming to an end.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#422200 Nov 24, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I will campaign with you to have nativity scenes displayed
IF
you help me to get the displays of all other faiths displayed during their holiday seasons.
I will campaign to get prayer back in school
IF
you help me get the prayers of ALL faiths in schools.
I will campaign to hate the Ten Commandments put back on the court house walls
IF
you will help me have the commandments of ALL faiths put up right beside them.
I will campaign to have creation taught in schools
IF
you help me have ALL theories of origin also taught.
Hopefully you get my point.
This country was not founded for the express purpose of protecting the religion of the majority. It was founded to protect the rights of ALL. Our constitution actually is written to protect the rights of the minority from the majority. It doesn't always happen that way but that is the intent.
BTW Since I and others here are of Native American decent I would like these commandments to be in a prominent spot...
The Ten Native American Commandments
1. Treat the Earth and all that dwell thereon with respect.
2. Remain close to the Great Spirit, in all that you do.
3. Show great respect for your fellow beings.
(Especially Respect yourself)
4. Work together for the benefit of all Mankind.
5. Give assistance and kindness wherever needed.
6. Do what you know to be right.
(But be careful not to fall into self-righteousness)
7. Look after the well being of mind and body.
8. Dedicate a share of your efforts to the greater good.
9. Be truthful and honest at all times.
(Especially be truthful and honest with your self)
10. Take full responsibility for your actions.
I will thank you in advance for all the help that you will give in making sure that we are ALL represented in this country.
There is this saying...
Be careful what you wish for...you might get more than what you bargained for...or something like that!
Thank you for posting this, Annie. I still think that those are better than any of the religious nonsense of not coveting your neighbor's ass.. a thought crime...and other thought crimes of the Christian Bible.

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