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#421948 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I'm just going to address this one portion of your post.
Again, I will post the scripture for you:
Mark 13:2
"Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
'All these great buildings' and 'not one here will be left on another' includes the whole of the temple complex, from the ground up. ALL means just that.
You still rewrite the Bible to justify it for yourself.
If it works to make you happier, by all means, have at it.
But you can't make 'ALL these buildings' mean just the inner portion of the temple. hen it says 'not one stone of ANY of those buildings (plural) shall be left one upon another, then that means from the foundations up and all of the buildings (plural) will be destroyed.
Another rewrite. If you have to change the writings, then it can't possibly be anything divinely inspired.
To this day the Jews have had no functioning Temple since the secound temple was destroyed. Over 1900 years, no functioning priesthood with sacrifices.

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#421949 Nov 23, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it is either hyperbole or ignorance of the writer with an ex post facto "prophecy".
They were written after 70 AD (except Thomas and Paul) and knew that the Temple had been destroyed.
That still does not allow the fact that some of the stones are still standing to be overlooked.

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#421950 Nov 23, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
Whew...I survived a food coma...
Hope everyone had a nice Turkey day...
I avoided it too. Didn't overeat. Saved dessert for later in the evening and didn't have anything but dessert. I'm stronger than I thought!
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#421951 Nov 23, 2012
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#421952 Nov 23, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> To this day the Jews have had no functioning Temple since the secound temple was destroyed. Over 1900 years, no functioning priesthood with sacrifices.
I didn't claim they have had a functioning temple. This is the fundie way of trying to form an argument when there is none.

If the temple was to be destroyed and not a single stone left on top of another, it would not have just been the inner temple, especialy when Jesus said 'all these buildings'.

There is no argument unless you believe Jesus was lying.

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#421953 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>When speaking of all gnostic gospels on Wednesday, you said you rejected them because they did not meet the criteria of the Laodicean Council.
The Laodicean Council approved:
III and IV Kings
I and II Esdras
It banned:
Romans
What Bible do you have that contains III and IV Kings and does NOT contain Romans?
According to the criteria you set for believing or not in the Gnostic Gospels, ie the Laodicean Council, you must have a Bible that goes by the same rules you set for the exclusion of all the Gnostic gospels.
You asked me to wait until today to remind you, and I did so. So now lets get down to business and you tell me which Bible you're using.
Forgot to add Baruch to the list of 'approved' books by the Laodicean Council. It's early. I'll use that as an excuese.

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#421954 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't claim they have had a functioning temple. This is the fundie way of trying to form an argument when there is none.
Your missing the point, as usual. God left the Jews with no functioning Temple for over 1900 years after Christ was crucified. Certain conditions had to be met. Haggai lived long enough for the second Temple to be constructed and witnessed the disappointment of the people when compared to the glory of Solomon's temple which was destroyed.''The latter glory of this house (2nd Temple) will be greater than the former says the Lord of hosts...'' Haggai 2:9.
If the temple was to be destroyed and not a single stone left on top of another, it would not have just been the inner temple, especialy when Jesus said 'all these buildings'.
That is the whole point. It was fully destroyed as there has been no been no functioning priesthood with animal sacrifice, post Christ. In what ways is the latter glory of the second temple greater than the first if not Christ? There is also timeline. There are Rabinnic traditions which put the Messiah's coming around two thousand years ago. Rashi, foremost Jewish commentator on the Tanakh put the date on more than 1750 years ago based on a mistake. When the mistake is corrected then you are in the middle of the first century.

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#421955 Nov 23, 2012
Good Morning..I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Have a great weekend..Grace and Peace to you all..

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#421956 Nov 23, 2012
Christians are winning

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#421957 Nov 23, 2012
1 Thessalonians 2:13-- "Ye received the Word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the Word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe."

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#421958 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>........Glad your son is home this year for Thanksgiving.
And thank you for serving your community.
thanks! having him home made it extra special for all of us. it was wonderful! and the weather was great! we had the outdoor fire pit going, so people could sit outside as well.

serving our community is a privledge. i can't put into words how we feel about doing this.

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#421959 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Don't mind a bit.
((((((hugs)))))

oops should i ask mac first **wink**

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#421960 Nov 23, 2012
love_spell wrote:
<quoted text>
((((((hugs)))))
oops should i ask mac first **wink**
thats disgusting

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#421961 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>.......
I doubt seriously he would stand in front of love_spell's husband and ask her about her pubic hair......
hubby says THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!

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#421962 Nov 23, 2012
non believers are some sad peeps

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#421963 Nov 23, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Your missing the point, as usual. God left the Jews with no functioning Temple for over 1900 years after Christ was crucified. Certain conditions had to be met. Haggai lived long enough for the second Temple to be constructed and witnessed the disappointment of the people when compared to the glory of Solomon's temple which was destroyed.''The latter glory of this house (2nd Temple) will be greater than the former says the Lord of hosts...'' Haggai 2:9.
<quoted text> That is the whole point. It was fully destroyed as there has been no been no functioning priesthood with animal sacrifice, post Christ. In what ways is the latter glory of the second temple greater than the first if not Christ? There is also timeline. There are Rabinnic traditions which put the Messiah's coming around two thousand years ago. Rashi, foremost Jewish commentator on the Tanakh put the date on more than 1750 years ago based on a mistake. When the mistake is corrected then you are in the middle of the first century.
Rewriting the Bible to suit you doesn't change what it says. But go right ahead.
There are no Rabinnic traditions which put the Messiah's coming around 2000 years ago. That's pure apologetics and no Jew would ever, EVER interpret it that way. They wrote the book, they get to do the interpretations. Period.

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#421964 Nov 23, 2012
love_spell wrote:
<quoted text>
hubby says THANKS FOR THE LAUGH!
I'm always glad to give someone a smile or a laugh.

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#421965 Nov 23, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, here is a sample invitation I have used: Hi, we are looking for people who are seeking to make changes in their life that will bring them closer to Jesus Christ and make them happier. Are you one of these people?
If "no," then you leave them alone. If "yes," you teach them principles of the gospel and invite them to act on those principles and see if they like the results. If they like the results you invite them to do more. If they want to stop, then that's their choice.
most so-called christians [especially on topix] don't understand the THANKS, BUT NO THANKS that you say you do.

excuse me if i am a bit skeptical.

hope you had a wonderful thanksgiving with family and friends.

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#421966 Nov 23, 2012
love_spell wrote:
<quoted text>
most so-called christians [especially on topix] don't understand the THANKS, BUT NO THANKS that you say you do.
excuse me if i am a bit skeptical.
hope you had a wonderful thanksgiving with family and friends.
How many have come here saying they just want to learn what we think and then never ask? How many have come here to be our 'teachers' and prove they know less by far about their Bible than do those who left Christianity? How many come here just to be nasty and stay on as dozens of socks?

I have not seen but one person come here and leave when she was told 'no thank you'. Kudos to her.

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#421967 Nov 23, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, so the thing's hyperbole, and not literally true.
Okay, I'll bite: where does the literal stop and the imagery begin?
It could be hyperbole. But remember, hyperbole is only a communication tool meant to emphasize a particular point. It was a very common method of teaching in antiquity. If Jesus was employing hyperbole in regard to the destruction of the 2nd temple, it was to describe ruthlessness on the part of the Romans.

However, regarding this specific passage, it appears that the prophecy wasn't hyperbolic because the platform on which the temple sat was not considered part of the temple. It was an extension of the hill that was called the Temple Mount. Everything sitting on that platform was demolished. This is consistent with what is known about Roman vengeance on rebellious territories.

I trust that your question regarding literalism and hyperbole is a serious question and not a satirical swipe for your own amusement. If you're sincere, then here is my own personal answer. Attempts to discern the difference between Biblical hyperbole and literalism are severely hampered by our own Western ethnocentrism. To make a fair determination, we must first stop assuming that our own way of thinking and reasoning is superior to those of an ancient culture. This doesn't mean we have to stop thinking altogether as that would just be absurd. Knowing history, knowing languages, knowing cultural differences, and willingness to shed our own "here-and-now" presuppositions are all important if we wish to make a fair and accurate determination. In short, be open-minded without being gullible. Be willing to follow the evidence wherever it takes you even if it brings about emotional or intellectual discomfort. We need not think like the ancient cultures thought, but we must be aware of how they thought, and not get locked into the battle of comparing our culture with theirs. This is how I was able to escape the trap of my agnosticism.

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