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#421936 Nov 22, 2012
karl44 wrote:
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I am a recovering christian
Hi Karl!

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#421937 Nov 22, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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GoThomas is more of a list of Jesus' teachings. It's like an ancient list of His quotations. I don't disagree with the teachings of Jesus.
I disagree that GoThomas is a descriptive narrative. It isn't.
Who said it was a narrative ?

You claimed it was Gnostic.

Why ?

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#421938 Nov 22, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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What? Are you kidding me? Oh jeez here we go. LOL
Okay, I'll take this in sections. The prophecy of Zechariah was well known to Jews. The Jewish culture was devout, and paid great attention to detail. It was understood from Zechariah's prophecy that the Messiah would enter on a donkey.
“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, your king coming unto you; he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon a donkey, even upon a colt, the foal of a donkey”(Zech 9:9).
Now, this wasn't done to mock Pilate. It was done to challenge the Pharisees, and to make the statement that the Messianic Kingdom was arriving peacefully, and not as a military conquering campaign. This set Jesus apart from other messianic figures. Other messianic figures would never ride in on a lowly pack animal. They would be much too concerned with their own personal image. The Pharisees saw this as a Messianic declaration. It was a deliberate provocation.
Now onto the subject of the donkey. Why were there 2? Well if we look at the passages, we read about Jesus telling His disciples that there will be a mare and a colt. Jesus wasn't about to take the younger colt from it's mother, so He had both brought to Him.
Also, some theologians think Jesus did this to illustrate His supernatural powers as a sign of His authority. The hypothesis is that Jesus told 2 disciples that they would find 2 donkeys in a particular location, and that the owners would question them. This would illustrate His authority I'm not sure on that one. It's possible.
Thank yo for repeating the clueless nonsense of the Catholic apologetics.

A COLT is a name for a young Horse or Ass or Donkey.

There aren't two beasts, just one. Proves the Bible is full of errors.

You only demonstrate that you are as ignorant of Hebrew as any other Christian for the last 1700 years. Dumazzes never bothered to ask a sibgle Jew about their own books.

<face palm>

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#421939 Nov 22, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Ah, so the thing's hyperbole, and not literally true.
Okay, I'll bite: where does the literal stop and the imagery begin?
Oh, Mac!

Christian reading of the Bible:

If I agree, it is literal. If I disagree, it is figurative.

Jewish reading 1:

If it sounds ridiculous or impossible it is figurative.

Jewish reading 2:

It is all figurative.

Jewish reading 3:

The entire TaNaKh is a poetic allegory based loosely on reality.

Jewish reading 4:

It is all reality.

The Talmud is full of each.

The mojority of modern Judaism follows the opinions of Maimonides since the middle ages. Just like Christianity has Paul, Jews are deceived by a man they place above God as well (IMHO).

Myself, I prefer Hillel.

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#421940 Nov 22, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Oh, Mac!
Christian reading of the Bible:
If I agree, it is literal. If I disagree, it is figurative.
Jewish reading 1:
If it sounds ridiculous or impossible it is figurative.
Jewish reading 2:
It is all figurative.
Jewish reading 3:
The entire TaNaKh is a poetic allegory based loosely on reality.
Jewish reading 4:
It is all reality.
The Talmud is full of each.
The mojority of modern Judaism follows the opinions of Maimonides since the middle ages. Just like Christianity has Paul, Jews are deceived by a man they place above God as well (IMHO).
Myself, I prefer Hillel.
Summed up the whole Torah in one sentence...

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#421941 Nov 23, 2012
Whew...I survived a food coma...

Hope everyone had a nice Turkey day...

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#421942 Nov 23, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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"Poor saps"??? Some of those "poor saps" need the extra pay...others volunteer to work so that others can be at home with family. Then there are those that have no choice to work for fear of losing their jobs. No matter what the reason I am always grateful to those that give up their holiday...just in case I need something from the store or if for some reason I decide to eat out on a holiday.
Most people do not have a choice as to when they work...you should be grateful that you are not one of those "poor saps" that has no choice. Our lives are better because of those in the service industry...yours included since you might stop and get one of those "poor saps" to serve you your dinner.
The mixture of cultures here in the D.C. area seems to balance out any problems with Holiday work. Many folks are content to work the Holidays we recognize so long as they can have the days off that their culture recognizes.
Don't forget that there are also the Police, Firefighters, Military and First Responders, Emergency Room and Hospital staff etc that work the Holidays. We all owe them a great big Thank You.

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#421944 Nov 23, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
What? Are you kidding me? Oh jeez here we go. LOL
Okay, I'll take this in sections. The prophecy of Zechariah was well known to Jews. The Jewish culture was devout, and paid great attention to detail. It was understood from Zechariah's prophecy that the Messiah would enter on a donkey.
“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, your king coming unto you; he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon a donkey, even upon a colt, the foal of a donkey”(Zech 9:9).
Either one of two ways or both at different times. There is also Daniel 7:13 where Messiah will come ''with the clouds of heaven'' which means swiftly or powerfully depending on the condition of Israel. If unworthy He comes meek and lowly as in the Zech. verse. Clouds of heaven as in Matthew 24:29-31. Jesus references ''son of man'' and ''clouds of heaven.'' as in the Daniel verse. Also Isaiah 13:9-10 and Joel 2:31, 3:15.

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#421945 Nov 23, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Either one of two ways or both at different times. There is also Daniel 7:13 where Messiah will come ''with the clouds of heaven'' which means swiftly or powerfully depending on the condition of Israel. If unworthy He comes meek and lowly as in the Zech. verse. Clouds of heaven as in Matthew 24:29-31. Jesus references ''son of man'' and ''clouds of heaven.'' as in the Daniel verse. Also Isaiah 13:9-10 and Joel 2:31, 3:15.
Matthew 26:64. Jesus before Caiaphas the High Priest.
''...you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.''

Daniel 7:13. I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven
One like the son of man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days
And was presented before Him.

Then the reaction of the High Priest in Matthew 26:65 indicates he understood the claim of Jesus as the Messiah by tearing his robes and accusing Jesus of blasphemy.

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#421946 Nov 23, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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Ah WN I'm not trying to re-write the Bible. I have studied the temple. I have looked at how it was laid out. King Herod conducted a remarkable feat of engineering when he decided to build a level platform that the temple was meant to sit upon. The words of Jesus were very likely confined to the buildings. And he was right. Every single building down to the last stone was cast down. The platform that the temple sat on is what now constitutes the Wailing Wall. You have to actually go to Jerusalem to obtain a truly thorough understanding of it.
Now if you still want to argue that Jesus' prophecy was not fulfilled because of this, you still have to consider the role of hyperbolic language in ancient culture. Hyperbole is a way of exaggerating for the purpose of making an important point. So even if you still refuse to acknowledge the literal accuracy of Jesus' temple prophecy, we still have to consider that He may have been using dramatic flair to illustrate just how ruthless the Romans would be. They were indeed ruthless and every building above King Herod's platform was completely destroyed.
So either way, the prophecy is still legitimate and accurate.
You can believe whatever you wish. Every Christian makes excuses that keeps them from believing what the Bible says so they can confirm their belief.

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#421947 Nov 23, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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GoThomas is more of a list of Jesus' teachings. It's like an ancient list of His quotations. I don't disagree with the teachings of Jesus.
I disagree that GoThomas is a descriptive narrative. It isn't.
When speaking of all gnostic gospels on Wednesday, you said you rejected them because they did not meet the criteria of the Laodicean Council.

The Laodicean Council approved:

III and IV Kings
I and II Esdras

It banned:

Romans

What Bible do you have that contains III and IV Kings and does NOT contain Romans?

According to the criteria you set for believing or not in the Gnostic Gospels, ie the Laodicean Council, you must have a Bible that goes by the same rules you set for the exclusion of all the Gnostic gospels.

You asked me to wait until today to remind you, and I did so. So now lets get down to business and you tell me which Bible you're using.

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#421948 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I'm just going to address this one portion of your post.
Again, I will post the scripture for you:
Mark 13:2
"Do you see all these great buildings?" replied Jesus. "Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
'All these great buildings' and 'not one here will be left on another' includes the whole of the temple complex, from the ground up. ALL means just that.
You still rewrite the Bible to justify it for yourself.
If it works to make you happier, by all means, have at it.
But you can't make 'ALL these buildings' mean just the inner portion of the temple. hen it says 'not one stone of ANY of those buildings (plural) shall be left one upon another, then that means from the foundations up and all of the buildings (plural) will be destroyed.
Another rewrite. If you have to change the writings, then it can't possibly be anything divinely inspired.
To this day the Jews have had no functioning Temple since the secound temple was destroyed. Over 1900 years, no functioning priesthood with sacrifices.

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#421949 Nov 23, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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I think it is either hyperbole or ignorance of the writer with an ex post facto "prophecy".
They were written after 70 AD (except Thomas and Paul) and knew that the Temple had been destroyed.
That still does not allow the fact that some of the stones are still standing to be overlooked.

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#421950 Nov 23, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
Whew...I survived a food coma...
Hope everyone had a nice Turkey day...
I avoided it too. Didn't overeat. Saved dessert for later in the evening and didn't have anything but dessert. I'm stronger than I thought!
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#421952 Nov 23, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> To this day the Jews have had no functioning Temple since the secound temple was destroyed. Over 1900 years, no functioning priesthood with sacrifices.
I didn't claim they have had a functioning temple. This is the fundie way of trying to form an argument when there is none.

If the temple was to be destroyed and not a single stone left on top of another, it would not have just been the inner temple, especialy when Jesus said 'all these buildings'.

There is no argument unless you believe Jesus was lying.

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#421953 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>When speaking of all gnostic gospels on Wednesday, you said you rejected them because they did not meet the criteria of the Laodicean Council.
The Laodicean Council approved:
III and IV Kings
I and II Esdras
It banned:
Romans
What Bible do you have that contains III and IV Kings and does NOT contain Romans?
According to the criteria you set for believing or not in the Gnostic Gospels, ie the Laodicean Council, you must have a Bible that goes by the same rules you set for the exclusion of all the Gnostic gospels.
You asked me to wait until today to remind you, and I did so. So now lets get down to business and you tell me which Bible you're using.
Forgot to add Baruch to the list of 'approved' books by the Laodicean Council. It's early. I'll use that as an excuese.

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#421954 Nov 23, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't claim they have had a functioning temple. This is the fundie way of trying to form an argument when there is none.
Your missing the point, as usual. God left the Jews with no functioning Temple for over 1900 years after Christ was crucified. Certain conditions had to be met. Haggai lived long enough for the second Temple to be constructed and witnessed the disappointment of the people when compared to the glory of Solomon's temple which was destroyed.''The latter glory of this house (2nd Temple) will be greater than the former says the Lord of hosts...'' Haggai 2:9.
If the temple was to be destroyed and not a single stone left on top of another, it would not have just been the inner temple, especialy when Jesus said 'all these buildings'.
That is the whole point. It was fully destroyed as there has been no been no functioning priesthood with animal sacrifice, post Christ. In what ways is the latter glory of the second temple greater than the first if not Christ? There is also timeline. There are Rabinnic traditions which put the Messiah's coming around two thousand years ago. Rashi, foremost Jewish commentator on the Tanakh put the date on more than 1750 years ago based on a mistake. When the mistake is corrected then you are in the middle of the first century.

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#421955 Nov 23, 2012
Good Morning..I hope everyone had a wonderful Thanksgiving. Have a great weekend..Grace and Peace to you all..

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