Why I’m no longer a Christian

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421386 Nov 19, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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ya gotta luv the logic of self-righteous pagans!
There are no self-righteous pagans; just self-righteous christian and muslims.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>i look to the Sacrifice
There wasn't any sacrifice.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>because i undertand that i'm guilty.
what do you do about your guilt, or do think you can do no wrong?
You steal from your boss, don't you? Is that right or wrong?

Oh, wait; you tell yourself you're all forgiven and everything, so it doesn't matter--you can do whatever you want.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#421387 Nov 19, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Hello Love Spell..
How have you been?? LOL...I see you have been busy on here. Where is our old "Friend"? lol.. I have just about finished ALL my test for this semester. It has been a hetic week for me. I just finished my essay in APA format (enough to make me pull my hair out) and when I started to sumbit the paper, Something happened and made me LOSE ALL my work..I almost cried. Instead, I said some words that I probably should not have said and took a few deep breaths..I STARTED over and actually thought the second paper was better than the first..< grin> Just thought I would stop in and say hello..ALSO HELLO everyone else..WN, No Stress4 me, Mr.W, Kaitlin and G_O_D,...Happy Thanksgiving To you all..
boy, that sooooooooooooo sucks! glad that the second paper is the best! can't say i miss school work.

keeping you in my thoughts.

happy turkey day to you. ours will be especially wonderful as my son is home this year.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421388 Nov 19, 2012
T-Town Clown wrote:
Jesus Christ is Lord...
There's no "r" in "Load."

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#421389 Nov 19, 2012
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>You should know that he has inseminated countless carpets, towels, and socks, and not one has yet become pregnant. He's responsible that way.
ewwwwwwwwwwwww

LoL

responsible or can't find a willing partner?!

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421392 Nov 19, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>But your's should. You are an idiot.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i differ such things to God. i'm forgiven!
That's why you continue to steal from your boss and hide your Topix life from your wife--because your 'jesus' forgives you.

Hypocrite.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#421393 Nov 19, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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So no matter how you twist it, your religion requires fear and you are a victim. The next phase is guilt. I know, been there done that.
No. Guilt only comes into play when I do something I know is wrong.

As I said, there are different types of fear. You're conveniently ignoring the context of my statement. That's a straw man fallacy.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#421394 Nov 19, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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There's no "r" in "Load."
You are a FREAKSHOW....your personality decribes in detail who you are. Have you no shame, respect for humanity? I have been in and out, there and back with religion, but I keep control of my hatreds and feelings. We live in a civil society, learn to respect others, regardless how different they are to you. Really, do you expect everyone on earth to BE THE SAME AS YOU? MY GOD...hopefully NOT. Repair yourself, don't sit in your pool of sorrows....move on...grow....learn from your mistakes..call your mistakes "EXPERIENCE". You look beautiful, be beautiful inside.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421395 Nov 19, 2012
HipGnosis wrote:
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Oh sure, there's metaphor, and allegory, and simile, and acrostic, and chiasma, and oh, all the tools of the writer's trade. But some of these are signs God performs specifically to impress the target audience. These are not presented as metaphors. And finally, was Jesus' resurrection a metaphor? Now that's just downright heretical. Stone soup for you......
<quoted text>First, what would it matter? Isn't my salvation supposed to be uppermost on his mind? I suppose I could stand some messy drawers if the alternative was eternal hellfire, couldn't you?
Besides, you're saying Almighty God can't make itself known without all the theatrics? What kind of charlatan god do you imagine? Yours used to come down to give "signs" for the most vainglorious reasons, just to show the crowd what a He-God he was. You're saying now he hides in the clouds, expects us to "love" it anyway, and if we don't, he finally reveals himself just to say go to hell.
<quoted text>By your very words previously, you "believe" in some part because you fear "punishment" if you didn't, so you can dispose of the high and mighty bafflegab. We ain't buyin' it.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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I believe Jesus' resurrection was a real literal event. I believe it is only one of a few times that God intervened in the laws of nature to bring about a result that would draw us closer to Him.
Even though the four official accounts of said resurrection all contradict each other. Never mind who's right and who's wrong; just go ahead and believe them all.

Because you fear the alternative.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421396 Nov 19, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
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I thought your jesus-being was the only son of your god-being.
Interesting...the goal posts keep moving.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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well Jesus is the "only begotten", i.e. He's God, like the Father & the Spirit. i'm a created son, but one whom God loves just like Jesus.
i'm telling you that it doesn't get any better than this & you're more than welcome to join the family!:)
Right; the Manson Family. Or is it the Koresh Family? Maybe the Applewhite Family?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#421397 Nov 19, 2012
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Of course! Why in the world not? What an odd thing to ask.
What kind of "evidence"? It never ceases to amaze me the limitations Christians place on their God, until we recall that the God of the Bible exhibits all the characteristics of mankind, and none of a deity.
In 1967, the Beatles took part in the first live global television satellite link, broadcasting around the world. They wrote a song specifically for the event, keeping the message simple and easily understood around the world. The song was "All You Need Is Love".
If the Fab Four could pull this off, why couldn't God do something along the same lines? Why couldn't God appear to every human everywhere, simultaneously, calming them thru his much-vaunted Holy Spirit, and speaking in language each can understand. "Hey! I'm God. I love you. Now I'm only going to tell you this once, so listen up. I want you to love yourself, and each other, everyone. If you don't, you might get away with it for awhile, but eventually you'll be punished. If you do, you'll not only reap the benefit in this life, but you'll also live in my house forever. Peace. Over and out."
What would be so hard about that? It's no different than the core message in virtually all the world's religions, inc. the Bible. The only difference is it would be immediate, personal, and undeniable. Everyone will have heard the exact same message. No one could change it, or deny it. They could still exercise their freewill and ignore it, serving themselves just as selfishly as we do today under the current paradigm, which obviously ain't working so well.
Forget substitutive sacrifice for some vague sin committed by an ancient metaphorical Adam. This would be the single greatest thing God could do for creation. Yet he'd rather hide inside bleeding statues and burnt toast. For every prayer answered to heal an obese American geriatric who partied hard most of his life, he "denies", for his own ineffable reasons, millions of children praying for a couple hours of peace and a bite to eat.
<quoted text>I'll tell ya what, I think you might have a problem there. You ain't that much different than the unbeliever regarding faith. If I understand it correctly, BibleGod demands faith >>in the absence of evidence<<. We've examined the evidence and found it sorely wanting. You say you've examined the evidence and found it "compelling". In any case, you required a "sign" no less than we, our standards for a compelling "sign" are just different. You might want to double down on your wager.
I didn't require a sign. I started looking at historical evidence as well as listening to personal testimonies. I have evaluated each on it's own merit.

Now with regard to the Beatles analogy, I can understand what you're saying. God could do that, but would it serve His purpose? How many people would think it to be a hoax? Would YOU believe it if God spoke to you? How would you know it was God?

The whole point of Jesus' ministry was to usher in the kingdom of God by working through man. Man was meant to interact with fellow human beings in bringing the message and the Kingdom to fruition.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421398 Nov 19, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>You've missed the point. Your post was admonishing another about their lack of knowledge of Bible canon, when you have continually demonstrated that you are blissfully ignorant of the canon. Your misspelling of something you consider so vital was just the icing on your cake of ignorance.
I am not a son of anyone, nitwit. I am a woman, and a much smarter and superior person than you. That is your cross to bear as you wallow in your mediocrity. How did Cain have a son? There were no women to choose from, or, as you like to call it, Saturday night.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i don't know why it's so hard for me to believe that you're a woman.....maybe cuz you're so damn mean?
i never pretended to be an eloquent or studious chap; i prefer home-spun wisdom and the love of God over so-called intellecualism any day of the week;)
You mean, you prefer superstition over reason.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421399 Nov 19, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Ooooow, scawy.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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now that i know you're female, this actually sounds cute;)
Watch out, "Huh!" He's going to start asking you about your pubic hair!!

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#421400 Nov 19, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
HipGnosis wrote:
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Oh sure, there's metaphor, and allegory, and simile, and acrostic, and chiasma, and oh, all the tools of the writer's trade. But some of these are signs God performs specifically to impress the target audience. These are not presented as metaphors. And finally, was Jesus' resurrection a metaphor? Now that's just downright heretical. Stone soup for you......
<quoted text>First, what would it matter? Isn't my salvation supposed to be uppermost on his mind? I suppose I could stand some messy drawers if the alternative was eternal hellfire, couldn't you?
Besides, you're saying Almighty God can't make itself known without all the theatrics? What kind of charlatan god do you imagine? Yours used to come down to give "signs" for the most vainglorious reasons, just to show the crowd what a He-God he was. You're saying now he hides in the clouds, expects us to "love" it anyway, and if we don't, he finally reveals himself just to say go to hell.
<quoted text>By your very words previously, you "believe" in some part because you fear "punishment" if you didn't, so you can dispose of the high and mighty bafflegab. We ain't buyin' it.
<quoted text>
Even though the four official accounts of said resurrection all contradict each other. Never mind who's right and who's wrong; just go ahead and believe them all.
Because you fear the alternative.
Incidental details don't merit any charge of contradiction. Independent accounts will naturally contain variations in minor details. What matters is the core of the story. As a writer and historian, I run into this quite often. The key to resolving apparent contradictions is to look for what they have in common and then work from that point. Historical research doesn't search for inconsistencies or contradictions. In fact, if there are no apparent contradictions in incidental details, there is a greater likelihood that the accounts are fabricated. The presence of incidental details lends credibility to historical accounts. But don't take my word for it. Go ask a textual historian. They'll tell you the same thing.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421401 Nov 19, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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If I'm going to be so stupid as to endanger others in such a careless manner, then I don't deserve protection. The above post you submitted is erroneous.
love_spell wrote:
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she didn't say to do it in a populated area.
what there aren't any roads in your area that are "deserted" or your god can't protect those people and hide their car keys???
It just demonstrates that he doesn't have the faith that he claims to have.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#421402 Nov 19, 2012
waaasssuuup wrote:
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LOL - you're theology gets more humorous by the minute...
Yours had a 1700 year head start, that is why it so hilarious.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421403 Nov 19, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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There's no "r" in "Load."
TJ Monk wrote:
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You are a FREAKSHOW.
Eat it.
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text>...your personality decribes in detail who you are. Have you no shame, respect for humanity?
Of course I do; that's why I oppose you hate-filled fundies and your stolen myth.
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text> ... We live in a civil society, learn to respect others, regardless how different they are to you.
So how come *YOU* don't?
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text> Really, do you expect everyone on earth to BE THE SAME AS YOU?
*Hell* no!! That'd be boring.
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text> Repair yourself, don't sit in your pool of sorrows...
"Pool of sorrows?"
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text>move on...grow....learn from your mistakes..call your mistakes "EXPERIENCE".
Take your own advice.
TJ Monk wrote:
<quoted text> You look beautiful, be beautiful inside.
Why, thank you! You li'l sweet-talker, you... What are you up to?

To paraphrase the late, great, indomitable Mae West, "Are you just happy to see me, or is that a gun in your pocket?"

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421404 Nov 19, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
Even though the four official accounts of said resurrection all contradict each other. Never mind who's right and who's wrong; just go ahead and believe them all.
Because you fear the alternative.
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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Incidental details don't merit any charge of contradiction.
Yes they do. They can make or break a case.

Yours is busted.

Kaitlin the Wolf Witch

“An Ye Harm None, Do As Ye Will”

Since: May 10

I Am A Religion-Free Zone

#421405 Nov 19, 2012
It's late. I'd love to stay and chat, but I think I'll go splash around in my pool of sorrows with my girlfriend and a nice glass of Shiraz.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#421406 Nov 19, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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Well that's what you're not understanding. God doesn't punish us in the same way we actively punish others. He simply allows us to punish ourselves by our words and actions.
Hell isn't God's punishment on us. Hell is our punishment on us. God will just choose to not allow us in His presence if we reject Him up to the moment of our biological termination of life. Spiritual life will continue. We don't have that choice.
Either you want to understand, or you don't.
There is plenty of evidence for God. You just choose to reject it because your criteria for evidence is unreasonably high to begin with. You're trying to define what the evidence should be, rather than just accepting what evidence there is. It's the same old human trait of wanting more, more, more. Nothing is ever good enough "as is." So who's fault is that? Yours or God's?
If God really did create everything, then who are we to define what is and what isn't evidence?
That's why America is in decline. Like all great empires, America too will fall. The only question is, how many will go down with her?
Every empire that has ever risen and fallen has done so because of rejection of God at the personal and national level. It's coming. It's just a matter of when.
I am going to go to hell for my lack of belief.

and

I wonder at the god, how can he be so capricious?

why would he make it easy for an empty vessel like you to believe, and at the same time make it so difficult for the intelligent to believe?

If the god was fair, each individual would receive the same opportunity to believe and also be blessed with the identical propensity to believe. When you so easily demonstrate this to be not the case, I easily see the god is not real.

I do thank you

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#421407 Nov 19, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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I didn't require a sign. I started looking at historical evidence as well as listening to personal testimonies. I have evaluated each on it's own merit.
Now with regard to the Beatles analogy, I can understand what you're saying. God could do that, but would it serve His purpose? How many people would think it to be a hoax? Would YOU believe it if God spoke to you? How would you know it was God?

The whole point of Jesus' ministry was to usher in the kingdom of God by working through man. Man was meant to interact with fellow human beings in bringing the message and the Kingdom to fruition.
Now, I don't think you're avoiding, per se, as so many do in these discussions, but you don't seem to be grasping the totality of the message. I said that God would give the exact same message to every single person - by that we would know that, by God, something momentous just happened. You could deny it if you please, and call it a hoax, but you'd have to explain why every human on earth received the exact same message. I don't know if it would serve his purpose or not,'cos damned if anybody can agree what his purpose might be, but IF his purpose included everyone the world over knowing he was large and in-charge, that would do the trick.

OR

he could reveal himself to a dozen or so dusty nondescript tribesmen in locked rooms and along deserted roads in a backwoods Roman outpost 2000 years ago, tell them to spread the word, and then disappear.

Which method do you think is most effective at selling soap? Does he >really< want to get the message out? The way it is now he acts like he doesn't really care - the less that hear about it, the less mansions he has to build.

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