Huh

Arlington, TX

#421155 Nov 18, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
1. If somebody rejects your authority or your existence, do you see any reason why they should be allowed in your house? Would you allow somebody to remain in your presence indefinitely if they didn't show you any respect?
Your answer is "no."

2. The only difference is that we believe the spirit becomes independent from the physical body after death, and the spirit retains memories and is aware of spiritual concepts that remain hidden from us in our present state. Why does this belief matter?
It matters because if true, we will live eternally even though it's difficult to understand here and now. If we reject God, we will still live, but the punishment is an eternal existence of separation from light, love, and joy beyond anything we can comprehend. Instead, we will know eternal loneliness, infinite darkness, and our own endless sorrow for making wrong choices. Those who reject God will spend eternity kicking themselves in the ass for that rejection.

3. So if God is real, and Jesus is real, and the possibility of living eternally is real, shouldn't there be a reward for acceptance, and a consequence for rejection?
1. Yeah, but, my house and I can be proven to exist empirically. Your god story, not so much. Children reject authority all the time. Should they be cast out on the street? Why are you telling others what their answer would be? Weird.

2. You are missing so many things here. Eternal punishment for finite crime is immoral. Eternal punishment for thought crime is even worse. If a child rejects authority, it may be for the right reasons. You're a Catholic. See any reason why a child should reject the authority of the church yet? If it is for the wrong reasons, we teach it. We tangibly lead it to the right way, not through the mystery of 38,000 differing interpretations of a perennially edited, dusty book. How does a spirit kick itself in the ass? Why do you need your ego to live forever? Your assertions are not difficult to understand, they are just without evidence, childish, and really rather silly.

3. Nope.
Huh

Arlington, TX

#421156 Nov 18, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> 1. I don't believe you would accept anything i have to say about it.

2. Got that. You do not like God.

3. Nor do you care for Ayn Rand who you dismiss as a hack?

4. Even though her books sell all the time and young students still discuss it's meaning years after the fact.

5. Seems we have little in common.
1. So, you can't explain it. I didn't think so. The entire concept is nonsense.

2. No, you don't get it at all. I am ambivalent towards your god concept because it is not demonstrable. Period. You can't like or dislike imaginary things that dwell nowhere except between the ego-driven synapses of the easily duped.

3. Ayn Rand was demonstrably real but still a hack. That has nothing to do with number 2.

4. An argument from popularity. Britney Spears sold millions and millions of albums. Should I be a fan for that reason? You don't really think these things through.

5. And I am happy for that. Anyone who praises Matt Slick and Henry Morris needs to reevaluate their world view. Of course, none of this has anything to do with number 1.

Dodge, jump, evade, lather, rinse, repeat.
Huh

Arlington, TX

#421157 Nov 18, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> How many students would you have if their parents had access to your posts on Topix? They could see, first hand what you are all about. I would not let any of my blood relatives anywhere near you.
But your non-blood relatives would be okay? Why are Christians always so weird?

It would be well advised to keep you away from children.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#421158 Nov 18, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> How many students would you have if their parents had access to your posts on Topix? They could see, first hand what you are all about. I would not let any of my blood relatives anywhere near you.
Many of my students' families know exactly what I believe and have no problem with it. I don't teach religion or even talk about it with my students.

We even have Jews and Muslims teaching our children and some of our teachers are not even Caucasians !

I bet that makes you want to vomit.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#421159 Nov 18, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>1. Yeah, but, my house and I can be proven to exist empirically. Your god story, not so much. Children reject authority all the time. Should they be cast out on the street? Why are you telling others what their answer would be? Weird.
2. You are missing so many things here. Eternal punishment for finite crime is immoral. Eternal punishment for thought crime is even worse. If a child rejects authority, it may be for the right reasons. You're a Catholic. See any reason why a child should reject the authority of the church yet? If it is for the wrong reasons, we teach it. We tangibly lead it to the right way, not through the mystery of 38,000 differing interpretations of a perennially edited, dusty book. How does a spirit kick itself in the ass? Why do you need your ego to live forever? Your assertions are not difficult to understand, they are just without evidence, childish, and really rather silly.
3. Nope.
Well said.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#421160 Nov 18, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> This is even worse than Educator telling us that God had killed off a former co-worker of hers for reporting her for evangelizing where she teaches.
Someone on WSJLM told me my son got just what he deserved because I am an unbeliever.
I cannot think of any situation in which I would say the murder of someone's child was a good thing. I can't think of any situation in which I would think God 'mowing down' a co-worker for reporting me for breaking the law would deserve being killed over. I can't think of telling anyone that their child was almost killed and lost a leg because their parent didn't believe as I do.
And they do it with such glee. Thumper and his crowd actually did take the scales from my eyes. I saw the worst of not only Christianity, but humanity, in their words. And yet they will all preach that we should return and join them in their putrid behavior.
Not gonna happen.
I did manage to get that EDU tale in the file, along with Thumper's last and greatest meltdown. Oh and how can we ever forget the time Satan gave Thumper a stiffie and frightened him right into repentance! These people have been alternately hilarious, pitiful, and downright pathological.

I'll give a shout out here to the gentle souls for whom faith is truly a personal thing, and try to represent that which is good about being human, Christian or not. We have enjoyed their company, but Lo! They are so few and far between. I'm going to guess that something about the anonymous format here brings out the worst of the them. Isn't that sad? That the most shallow and insipid are also the noisiest?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#421161 Nov 18, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
I have 40 students I do that with daily. It is called being a good teacher.
You are saying your deity is a lousy teacher. I agree. You learned nothing from it.
<face-palm> Clueless. Absolutely clueless. And no I'm not talking about me. Just want to make sure that's clear.
Huh

Arlington, TX

#421162 Nov 18, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
And you don't have any presuppositions? Do you have any clue as to what you're talking about?
Look up "ethnocentrism."
Everyone has presuppositions, but that is not at all what I am writing about, and you know it. You were writing of evidence for a god, but, you a starting from the god of the bible and moving outwards. Everything you see is tarnished by the confirmation bias of that position. Since you have no idea of my background, any claims you will now make about my presuppositions will be false.

Okay, here, I will cast aside all my bias. Provide me with testable, empirical, tangible, falsifiable, naturalistic* evidence that a god exists. Then, produce the evidence that that god is the god of the bible. Then, point to the specific god of your specific sect of Christianity. Then, explain how the differences of how you view that god from the guy in the pew next to you are even possible.

*If you are an advocate of intercessory prayer, and, as a Catholic, it is not a stretch to say you are, your god interacts with the natural world and would therefore have to leave testable, empirical, tangible, falsifiable, naturalistic evidence.

Arguments from logic, from design, from credulity, et al, are not evidence. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Not evidence.

Ethnocentrism has nothing to do with any of this. Hebrews 13:8 deflects this silly attempt of yours at deflection.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421163 Nov 18, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> One of Noah's sons married a Babylonian. Story over.
And one of Noah's son had sex with his mother and fathered Canaan.
Huh

Arlington, TX

#421164 Nov 18, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said.
Thanks.
Huh

Arlington, TX

#421165 Nov 18, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
<face-palm> Clueless. Absolutely clueless. And no I'm not talking about me. Just want to make sure that's clear.
Bwahahahahaha. That you had to attempt to clarify that speaks volumes.

Hey, did you here about the three wrestling moves they are teaching at the CYO? The full Nelson, the half Nelson, and the Father Nelson.
Huh

Arlington, TX

#421166 Nov 18, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>And one of Noah's son had sex with his mother and fathered Canaan.
Haha.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#421167 Nov 18, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> If it makes you feel better to think that others will cease to exist because they won't link pinkie fingers with you and say 'I believe!', so be it.
It sounds to me as if you think you have been mortally betrayed in this lifetime and are grasping at straws to find love again.
I am good with death forever, it that's what it turns out to be. You evidently will not live on in the memory of anyone since you think you will disappear if you don't have Jesus. I truly do pity you that you have nothing in this life that is worthwhile.
We only live a short time to learn and decide if we want Gods Kingdom rule. It's near..Mathew 24:14, 28:19,20. It's there, it's operating now. Please take a stand and at least learn about it. Only minutes are involved. If you don't, you are a fool. There is more to life than this world. Find good people who will never betray you now.

“YESHUA IS LORD”

Since: Apr 07

GAWGIA (GEORGIA)

#421168 Nov 18, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it was.
<quoted text>
They existed worldwide. That is why the whole world was flooded.
<quoted text>
That's not true either. The Ark landed on top of one of the most highest of mountains. The whole world would have had to be flooded to raise the ark that high. Do you not realize how much water is in the ocean and how it could be delivered by God to flood the land worldwide. THINK HARDER!.
<quoted text>
Can't be any worse than all the Republicans having to take care of all the worthless liberals in America.
Did you learn this erroneous misinformation in your sunday school class. If the whole world was flooded and the water receded from off the earth then where did it recede to? There would have been no where for all that water to recede to if the whole world was covered with water. Dosen't make sense to anyone that has the ability to think

There was no dry land anywhere after the flood according to the misinformation that typical sunday schools teach. It's a contradiction to physics.

The entire globe was nothing but water so where did all that water recede to? In order for the water to recede from off the earth, there would have had to have been a receptacle on earth to receive it. Bot how if it as the misguided teach that the entire world was covered with water? Can you see the contradiction in that belief that the entire world was covered with water?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#421169 Nov 18, 2012
Tony17 wrote:
<quoted text>And one of Noah's son had sex with his mother and fathered Canaan.
Not true. Sisters4768 yes.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#421170 Nov 18, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
<face-palm> Clueless. Absolutely clueless. And no I'm not talking about me. Just want to make sure that's clear.
You seem to be unable to understand the idea of seperation of church and state.

I don't talk about religion with my students. It is illegal and I would be fired.
However, if anyone got me fired for my religious views ouside the classroom they and the school would lose a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#421171 Nov 18, 2012
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Why would you assume i have not read Isaiah?
You're right. You gotta admit, it just seems odd that you wouldn't say as much, but refer to having read much "ON Isaiah", with your only reference being a work of modern fiction only collaterally connected to it.

We can spend our lives reading "on Isaiah" without ever having read the darn thing itself, and in fact, this would describe the vast majority of believers. There's all kinds of authors out there that have written "ON Isaiah", saving the rabble from having to read it by telling us what it says - according to that author, of course. There's nothing like going straight to the source and drawing one's own impression, is there? You would of course use that Holy Spirit cheat, while us heathen would be left to just muddle through with what the words actually say.

So, you're saying you have read Isaiah, all 66 chapters, straight through? KJV, or..? Tell me, what are your overall impressions?
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Well, in the words of Ayn Rand, you need to check your premise.
Ayn Rand? Boy, talk about "cognitive dissonance"! A Christian Randian! Whodathunkit? That 'splains a lot right there, and leaves a whole lot more murkier than ever.
duststorm

Webster, TX

#421172 Nov 18, 2012
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
<quoted text>
*I'm* still waiting for a christian to tell me what purpose is served by punishing someone for all eternity because they don't believe in jeebusgod.
Are you suggesting some sort of rehabilitation program and early release for good behavior?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#421173 Nov 18, 2012
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>1. Yeah, but, my house and I can be proven to exist empirically. Your god story, not so much. Children reject authority all the time. Should they be cast out on the street? Why are you telling others what their answer would be? Weird.
2. You are missing so many things here. Eternal punishment for finite crime is immoral. Eternal punishment for thought crime is even worse. If a child rejects authority, it may be for the right reasons. You're a Catholic. See any reason why a child should reject the authority of the church yet? If it is for the wrong reasons, we teach it. We tangibly lead it to the right way, not through the mystery of 38,000 differing interpretations of a perennially edited, dusty book. How does a spirit kick itself in the ass? Why do you need your ego to live forever? Your assertions are not difficult to understand, they are just without evidence, childish, and really rather silly.
3. Nope.
You make an awful lot of assumptions.

You're assuming that God should provide empirical evidence to let you know he exists.

Why do you assume I'm Catholic? I have never said what denomination I am aligned with. I don't consider myself anything other than Christian.

Eternal exclusion and separation from God in the future is warranted if we reject him in this life.

If your kid rebels at the age of 21, and you kick him out are you going to just let him waltz right back in unconditionally, or are there going to be stipulations that he must abide by. It's not just thought crime as you say. It is rejection of authority, compounded by rejection of existence. Apparently there should never be any consequences for our actions in your worldview?

Does the 1st degree murderer deserve life in prison without parole?

Does the drunk driver deserve to lose his license if his recklessness causes injury to others?

You assume way too much, and you think we should live blissfully enjoying everything now, because tomorrow we're all worm food.

I have no problem with my body being worm food. I have no problem with the thought that I am going to cease to exist biologically.

However, if there is even the slightest chance that there is something after this, then I want to see it and enjoy it. I want in on this bigger picture. And if I have to follow some specific criteria for inclusion, then yes, it will be worth it. You can keep your small worldview if that's what you want. I'm after bigger and better things if they really do exist. And if they don't exist, have I really lost anything? You might think so, but I don't.

And there is the difference.

You assume too much. Strange that you would do so without any empirical evidence other than the words you're reading on the screen at this very moment. So who's really blind in their faith? Not me.(:

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#421174 Nov 18, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of Dan Brown, have you ever read 'The Lost Symbol'? That's some good symbology right there, buddy, and not a bad fictional tale to boot.
Is that the one in DC? I'm sure it is. Enjoyed the heck out of it. Much better than the previous two, by my lights. He ain't no Eco, but I think he's getting stronger with each one, so far.

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