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Nov 15, 2012
 
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> The accounts indicate there was no body.....
Like millions of tombs before and since.

Both of my parents tombs are empty, too. They must be Gods, right ?

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Nov 15, 2012
 
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> ...Q is a phantom....
Just like everything in your religion.

Do you have a point ?

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Nov 15, 2012
 
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> I'M not guessing but going by the accounts. Don't know what you are doing. I do not go by a picture when there are at least five written accounts which includes Paul. All state the same. Bodily resurrection. You suggest spiritual and not body which means the body would still be there. There was no body there and you cannot inject assumptions into the text which is alien.
Paul never met Jesus. He wasn't present when Jesus taught, which is probably why he doesn't seem to know what Jesus taught and why he taught in direct opposition to Jesus on many things. At least in the Bible you use.

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love_spell wrote:
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why is it these fundies see something obscene in just about everything!!...
If they actually followed the teachings of Jesus they would be plucking their eyeballs from their sockets.

"If thine eyes offend thee, pluck them out."

Instead they blame everyone but themselves.

They are, for the most part, a pack of cowards, liars and frauds... and prove it daily.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
TJ Monk wrote:
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.... Make your mark, an unknown mark in this world...you will be forgotten by all who have ever heard your putrid name of doubts.
As you and your bullcrap are forgotten the moment they are read here.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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why would there be a scriptual citation from a book written 2000+ years ago regarding a book that only emerged in recent years???
again....not rocket science, pal;)
The fact that it was found with other early gospels such as The Acts of Peter and the Twelve later than other texts were found does not give you the age of the texts.

Biblical experts have placed the writing of the Gospel of Thomas between 40 AD and 140 AD, earlier than some of the writings you accept as authentic.

You really are just willfully ignorant.

There were no 'original' documents from which the Bible you use today was translated. There have been no originals found to this very day. Yet books that could possibly be originals, you totally discard because in 325 AD Constantine ordered a conclave of bishops to make decisions for you. That's just hilarious.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that it was found with other early gospels such as The Acts of Peter and the Twelve later than other texts were found does not give you the age of the texts.
Biblical experts have placed the writing of the Gospel of Thomas between 40 AD and 140 AD, earlier than some of the writings you accept as authentic.
You really are just willfully ignorant.
There were no 'original' documents from which the Bible you use today was translated. There have been no originals found to this very day. Yet books that could possibly be originals, you totally discard because in 325 AD Constantine ordered a conclave of bishops to make decisions for you. That's just hilarious.
That is the crux of the matter, pun intended.

That Christinaity refuses to admit the truth about its creation is the prime reason to reject it as truth.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
DearthOfCouth wrote:
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Is it necessary to debunk the Nazis? Their moment seems to have passed.
Interesting analogy, btw: Christianity and National Socialism.
There is a group of people in the US which deny the holocaust ever took place. I guess that's why there may be a need.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> There is a group of people in the US which deny the holocaust ever took place. I guess that's why there may be a need.
Sad but true.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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No, I'm claiming that the core doctrines that are explained by modern apologetics, are the most plausible of all current competing explanations.
Well, for Christians they are. But for others, not at all.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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"God" has never rejected any of man's writings"
LOL! are you suggesting that everything anyone comes up with is true and acceptable to God?
"let God be true and every man a liar" is just one citation off the top of my head that debunks that new-age notion;)
Proof once again that you confuse Paul with God. Thank you.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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Annie Annie...it's you not me who believes that your nature is so good that you don't need a Savior!
c'mon now, that's exactly what you're saying in so many words & it's why your type (cain/good works) hates mine (abel/blood sacrafice)
It's you who thinks you have done something so terrible just by being born that someone had to die for it. What a horrible world lives inside your head.

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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"She said that she couldn't care less about the social philosophy of Jesus"
- yet she will accept the social philosophy of others who has applied this to Jesus.
Strange.
I think like you. "Why not accept all of what Jesus taught?"
a. How does a "half of Jesus" fulfill any belief in Jesus completely?
b. Why would anyone put a limitation on what Jesus taught, if they "believe in Jesus"?
The real question that they can't/refuse to answer is:
- Why do you think "Paul" was more enlightened than Jesus?"
If you have read other posts of mine, I pose this, and if you had been following along, not once has the question been answered.
- I'll see responses like,'Paul used Jesus to enlighten others.'- which as you can see is deflection.
Quite saddening that they express one thing, but when faced with a direct contradiction to their belief, they begin to rejoice in the men who have limited "their Jesus".
Cheers!
Brilliant!

I have asked this same question about Paul, with equally dismal results in the form of answers.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>In the simple interest of knowledge, we should mention that the gold allegedly came from gifts from the Egyptians prior to the Israelite's departure. This has always been interesting to me, as it casts reasonable doubt on the alleged plight of the Israelites in "captivity". Could they maybe have stolen it? Could this be why Pharaoh was so hell-bent on catching people he just told to leave? Odd little snippet in an odd history.
That 2nd set of commandments is another story entirely......
I yearn for your commentary on the two sets of commandments!

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Nov 15, 2012
 
TJ Monk wrote:
Jehovah is the only true God. Jesus is ruling in heaven now and will soon take action upon the wicked filthy earth. Rev. 16:16
But the only one true God in Genesis is El. Jehovah didn't come along until Moses married a woman who worshiped Jehovah. Then when he was asked what the name of the one true God is, he answered Jehovah...the God of his foreign wife.

The one true God of the OT was in actuality changed over time.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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I know - strange, huh?
I've pondered on it for many years, and still haven't reconciled a plausible conclusion, because there are many braches that go to nowhere.
"2nd set is another story"? You'll have to PM me sometime with a summary.
That whole visit up Sinai gets me.
- altitude sickness/hallucinations?
- his body/face hair turns white?(**unknown radiation source /*smiles*- he saw a ghost?)
- "God" gives him a "second chance" on the tablets? Or was that part of "God's" plan? OR where they given to him through some other source?
- a "cloud" of some "smoke" landing ('settled') on top of the mountain?(**clearly an early UFO encounter!?)
+"and the whole mountain trembled violently." - Exodus 24:16
:o)
- no golden calf on the journey, but within forty days the gold is sourced, smelted, molded, cooled, and then praised before Moses trashed the place? Hmmm....
Exodus 24:18
18 Then Moses entered the cloud as he went on up the mountain. And he stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights.
It just doesn't add up to "spectacular" - ya know what I mean?
Oh, no! He doesn't get off that easy! I want him to post it here (if he so desires, of course). I am really interested in having his take on it here on WINLAC. I know...selfish a little. But his work is always very interesting and very well studied.

The 'sourced' portion of your statement above is the one that is most interesting.

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Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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It Never Happened. The ony people who "recorded jesus's words" were four con-men, allegedly named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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can we change the subject a min
I'm not surprised you don't want to address what I pointed out.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text> & talk about you in this pic?
were you in a hot tub? cuz i doesn't seem like you're wearing a top and your hair looks wet on the ends. is that a tatoo sleave i see on our right shoulder going down your arm?:)
;)

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Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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So if I am following this correctly...something doesn't exist unless millions recognize that it does exist? Even if you see it yourself?
We can know with a certainty without seeing God. You can tell by the way you feel when you pray with sincerity.
What motivates you to question other's faith?
Personal emotions are not proof to anyone but those who have the emotions. You cannot give those emotions to anyone else.

Religion plays on emotions, sometimes to such a degree that you see it's adherents flopping on the floor and muttering unintelligible 'tongues'.

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Nov 15, 2012
 
Kaitlin the Wolf Witch wrote:
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You belong to the denomination that your church represents.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i don't belong to a 'church' except for the Church/Body of Christ at large;)
Do you really expect me to believe you don't go to a church?

Does this "body of christ at large" have vaulted ceilings? How are the acoustics for the band?

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lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> The accounts indicate there was no body. Like i printed before, you are printing conjecture by suggesting it was a spiritual resurrection which is alien to the text. It is made up out of thin air. A theory with zero evidence. A theory in search of a non existent fact.
<quoted text> No written accounts by Monkeys available. I really don't know what your point is there since scribes were men at that time.
<quoted text> I don't believe any of that and i do not know what you mean by third generation disciple. You are suggesting only six of the 13 which would include Paul (?) had truth give to them. Whatever that means.
<quoted text> They were all on the same page as far as bodily resurrection, Christ as God/Man. Jesus as Messiah. Exclusive Savior of humankind.
<quoted text> i have read your posts so i have a good idea where you are coming from. The point being i did not know where you were coming from when you suggested spiritual absent physical resurrection.
<quoted text> Paul was an apostle of Jesus. Jesus is God/Man. Savior to the Human race and Paul was one of His early messengers. Paul did a lot of writing some of which had to do with the fact Paul was locked up and probably had time on his hands.
The Bible says nothing of resurrection in the story you use to prove resurrection. I gave the meaning of the word used in the gospels as it was used by the people who wrote them.

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