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<quoted text> The Greek for risen is 'egeiro'. It is the exact same Greek word used in Luke 24:6 and Matt.24:6. Basically the same verse in in all three Gospels. The meaning is obvious.
<quoted text> The body was not there and the text says as much.
If you want to go that route, then this Station of the Cross, in Rennes-le-Chateau, shows the body being removed at nighttime [i.e. the Moon is present].

http://www.benhammott.com/stations_of_the_cro...
Which could mean that the body was already removed.

I can match your speculation with speculation.

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BTW This is one of the reasons that I seldom post to you Wasup...you never address the context of anyone's post...you deflect either by some silly nonsense or you try to change the subject.
LOL! Annie, you're the one who didn't directly answer my question to you regarding a sinnful nature. you can't make up the irony/hypocricy among the atheistic/pagan 'community'!

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Oh wait now.
You'll say this - "believe Jesus' words then" - but in fact, you don't believe alot of his teachings yourself.
You may be able to pull a fast one around your fellow followers, but in truth, your ruse is just to mislead.
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Then why do you believe less than six of the original 13 Apostles, and a 3rd generation disciple?
cuz the other apostles didn't write their testimonies!
that's why the tommy/comic-book that you like better wasn't included, cuz it contradicts the rest;)

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you do
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you are not now, nor ever-been a christian
you sound just like someone else i know who always says "if you're the Son of God...".

come out from agreeing with him and you won't share his fate!:)

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apologies are valid only when bevaior changes, yours worsens with time.
I do not expect you to improve, you have reached your intellectual limit.
the best you could do would be remain silent.
well then, i may accept an apology from you for being a turd-ball to me, if you offer it sincerely & with repentance:)

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karl44 wrote:
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rational skeptics evaluate
religitards believe
"religitards"...real ly, is that anyway to talk to another human being in this tolerant and evolved world of wonderful individuals like you?

i suppose the UN should make an exception to this PC law to exclude Christians & Jews since they're kinda sub-human anyway.....

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cuz the other apostles didn't write their testimonies!
that's why the tommy/comic-book that you like better wasn't included, cuz it contradicts the rest;)
Did "God" say this?

Please cite your citation that GoThomas was rejected by "God".

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We do seem to be collecting 'em, don't we?
Yah. Must be the Spring tides.

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LOL! Annie, you're the one who didn't directly answer my question to you regarding a sinnful nature. you can't make up the irony/hypocricy among the atheistic/pagan 'community'!
Here is where out conversation began...

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...

I actually agree with this post in part...I have actually been guilty of it myself at times. There is a major difference here however Viking...one that you and some others here have set the bar for.

If you claim that Jesus was perfect...sinless...

If you claim to follow in his footsteps...

Then unless you can show us where Jesus behaved as some of you do...use the language that some of you use...

Then the.."staggering hypocrite and your credibility is zero" phrase would apply to yourself and others (that call themselves followers of Christ) and behave in this manner.

If you are going to claim "righteousness" and claim to live at a higher level than non-Christians...then you need to live those claims. If you don't...then you are a hypocrite and have zero credibility when it comes to your witness for your Christ.

This holds true for anyone of any faith...if you are going to preach it...then you need to make damn sure that you are living it. Hard to do at times I admit...I fail often to live up to my own beliefs.

We can all be hypocrites at times...at times we expect more from others than we are willing to give ourselves. Most of us however at those times are not claiming a higher morality based on "Jesus".

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Here was your response...

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...

i'm not speaking for viking here, but i have to point out your continuous & inherint error once again:

you said - "Then unless you can show us where Jesus behaved as some of you do..."

the Bible is full of illustrations of humans behaving badly, but only one God/Man who behaved perfectly.

you see, Jesus is the Perfect Savior for people who can admit that they're imperfect. since you can't seem to do this, that's why you can't relate to the Savior nor to His redeemed family.

"since you say "i see", your sin remains" Jesus

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You addressed nothing in my post. All you did was twist and turn until you made it all about what a sinful person that I am.

Do you or do you not believe that Christians should live up to the standard that God has set forth for you? If you claim to be a follower should you not first follow his book before you expect others to follow it? Are not supposed to be that "light"? If you are going to "preach" it...shouldn't we expect YOU to be the held accountable for practicing it FIRST?

Again...you addressed nothing in my original post...you just wanted to condemn.

Just sit still...there are more instances (just from yesterday) that you did not address the post...just twisted and turned.

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
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Did "God" say this?
Please cite your citation that GoThomas was rejected by "God".
i'll site the same citation from the comic book that you usually site, something to the effect: "to know yourself is to understand the kingdom of God"

this philosophy is a far cry from the 'authorized' testimonies which speak much of dying to self in order to find life;)

this is NOT rocket science folks.....

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LOL! Annie, you're the one who didn't directly answer my question to you regarding a sinnful nature. you can't make up the irony/hypocricy among the atheistic/pagan 'community'!
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...

This post is against biblical teaching...unless you don't see their behavior as sin. You are instructed to go to your brothers and sisters in Christ when they have sinned. You are to encourage each other...care for them...help them when needed. So you are in a sense responsible for them...according to scripture.
That is one of your problems Wasup...it is always just about you.
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If you are not concerned about your brothers and sisters...then why concern yourself with me and what I believe.
Once again...you are trying to turn this into a conversation about me...deflection against you having to answer any questions concerning you.
Before you worry about me...maybe you should take a look at what we see when we look at you.
Same old deflection routine Wasup...check back with me when you are ready to discuss both sides of this issue.

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Your response...still addressing nothing in the post that I wrote.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...

LOL! have at me, Annie....you always do!:)

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And another reply from you...still with not addressing the post...

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...

btw - i hope you didn't change your pic because of anything i said; i was really just giving back some of your own medicine;)
i know i'm not the greatest communicator and i tend to get silly, but please know that i appreciate your sincerity when talking with me:)

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Here is where out conversation began...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
I actually agree with this post in part...I have actually been guilty of it myself at times. There is a major difference here however Viking...one that you and some others here have set the bar for.
If you claim that Jesus was perfect...sinless...
If you claim to follow in his footsteps...
Then unless you can show us where Jesus behaved as some of you do...use the language that some of you use...
Then the.."staggering hypocrite and your credibility is zero" phrase would apply to yourself and others (that call themselves followers of Christ) and behave in this manner.
If you are going to claim "righteousness" and claim to live at a higher level than non-Christians...then you need to live those claims. If you don't...then you are a hypocrite and have zero credibility when it comes to your witness for your Christ.
This holds true for anyone of any faith...if you are going to preach it...then you need to make damn sure that you are living it. Hard to do at times I admit...I fail often to live up to my own beliefs.
We can all be hypocrites at times...at times we expect more from others than we are willing to give ourselves. Most of us however at those times are not claiming a higher morality based on "Jesus".
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Here was your response...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
i'm not speaking for viking here, but i have to point out your continuous & inherint error once again:
you said - "Then unless you can show us where Jesus behaved as some of you do..."
the Bible is full of illustrations of humans behaving badly, but only one God/Man who behaved perfectly.
you see, Jesus is the Perfect Savior for people who can admit that they're imperfect. since you can't seem to do this, that's why you can't relate to the Savior nor to His redeemed family.
"since you say "i see", your sin remains" Jesus
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You addressed nothing in my post. All you did was twist and turn until you made it all about what a sinful person that I am.
Do you or do you not believe that Christians should live up to the standard that God has set forth for you? If you claim to be a follower should you not first follow his book before you expect others to follow it? Are not supposed to be that "light"? If you are going to "preach" it...shouldn't we expect YOU to be the held accountable for practicing it FIRST?
Again...you addressed nothing in my original post...you just wanted to condemn.
Just sit still...there are more instances (just from yesterday) that you did not address the post...just twisted and turned.
what i did, Annie, is take a main quotation of yours and addressed it. i didn't address everything you said, but i focused on what i believed to be the main issue. i'll do it again for you here:

you said; "If you are going to claim "righteousness" and claim to live at a higher level than non-Christians..."

i claim to need the Savior/Redeemer/Christ for the forgiveness of sin, not to live at a "higher level" than you.

now, please answer my question or forever be a hypocrite:

do you also need Christ for the forgiveness of your sin (individual sins-verb and sinnful nature-noun)?

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AnnieJ wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
This post is against biblical teaching...unless you don't see their behavior as sin. You are instructed to go to your brothers and sisters in Christ when they have sinned. You are to encourage each other...care for them...help them when needed. So you are in a sense responsible for them...according to scripture.
That is one of your problems Wasup...it is always just about you.
<quoted text>
If you are not concerned about your brothers and sisters...then why concern yourself with me and what I believe.
Once again...you are trying to turn this into a conversation about me...deflection against you having to answer any questions concerning you.
Before you worry about me...maybe you should take a look at what we see when we look at you.
Same old deflection routine Wasup...check back with me when you are ready to discuss both sides of this issue.
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Your response...still addressing nothing in the post that I wrote.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
LOL! have at me, Annie....you always do!:)
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And another reply from you...still with not addressing the post...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
btw - i hope you didn't change your pic because of anything i said; i was really just giving back some of your own medicine;)
i know i'm not the greatest communicator and i tend to get silly, but please know that i appreciate your sincerity when talking with me:)
this is some of the same-ole same-ole so see my post above.
and, please don't disrespect me again with your questions until you specificly answer thee question of all questions that i've posed to you:)

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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Did "God" say this?
Please cite your citation that GoThomas was rejected by "God".
waaasssuuup wrote:
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i'll site the same citation from the comic book that you usually site, something to the effect: "to know yourself is to understand the kingdom of God"
this philosophy is a far cry from the 'authorized' testimonies which speak much of dying to self in order to find life;)
this is NOT rocket science folks.....
Why do you divert from answering the question? Can you answer any question truthfully?

Or is it more comforting to just avoid and run away?

Why do you call one of Jesus' Apostle's writings a comic book?
- comic books have pictures that describe the story, this one does not.
- GoThomas is nothing but sayings by Jesus, so it has no relevance with any comic book.

"this philosophy is a far cry from the 'authorized' testimonies which speak much of dying to self in order to find life;)
this is NOT rocket science folks....."
- "authorized" by whom?
- I asked you to post the citation that shows "God" rejected this book. Are you trying to change the question?
- apparently it is a little bit more than "rocket science" if you can't understand simple questions.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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okay, Annie, let's cut to the chase:
1st off, i can't send you to hell and it's the last place i want you to go. i'm just trying to help you understand the redemption that's been purchased for you apart from your abilities or inabilities to earn it!
so, you can admit to a fault of being harder on christians than on non-christians; i give you credit for that & it's more than most have done:)
can you admit to being born a sinner by nature and seperate from the nature of God?
What a silly question to ask non-Christian. I believe in a higher power but not what some of you have turned him in to.

But I will give you an answer...no...I do not believe that we are born with sinful nature...nor to I believe that we are separated from God.

Kind of a silly question in my way of thinking.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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LOL! Annie, you're the one who didn't directly answer my question to you regarding a sinnful nature. you can't make up the irony/hypocricy among the atheistic/pagan 'community'!
Since I am not atheist nor do I consider myself a pagan...this post does not even apply to me. Again...it was just your way of twisting and turning to not address what is written to you.

Yes...I know...you consider everyone that does not agree with you an atheist/pagan.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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cuz the other apostles didn't write their testimonies!
that's why the tommy/comic-book that you like better wasn't included, cuz it contradicts the rest;)
So...here is your comic book Bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Samples with sound affects...

http://theactionbible.com/

Free download...

http://actionbible.en.softonic.com/
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New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Did "God" say this?
Please cite your citation that GoThomas was rejected by "God".
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Why do you divert from answering the question? Can you answer any question truthfully?
Or is it more comforting to just avoid and run away?
Why do you call one of Jesus' Apostle's writings a comic book?
- comic books have pictures that describe the story, this one does not.
- GoThomas is nothing but sayings by Jesus, so it has no relevance with any comic book.
"this philosophy is a far cry from the 'authorized' testimonies which speak much of dying to self in order to find life;)
this is NOT rocket science folks....."
- "authorized" by whom?
- I asked you to post the citation that shows "God" rejected this book. Are you trying to change the question?
- apparently it is a little bit more than "rocket science" if you can't understand simple questions.
ahhite den, lemme make this more clear:

can you prove for me that this book you speak of was actually written by the apostle thomas and that he quoted Jesus?

i think that i can prove it wasn't judging by the things said which contradict the Christ whom i know intimately.

the fact that you, a new-ager, are authorizing it helps me to understand where it's actually coming from, but i wouldn't dismiss it solely on that basis:)

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ahhite den, lemme make this more clear:
can you prove for me that this book you speak of was actually written by the apostle thomas and that he quoted Jesus?
i think that i can prove it wasn't judging by the things said which contradict the Christ whom i know intimately.
the fact that you, a new-ager, are authorizing it helps me to understand where it's actually coming from, but i wouldn't dismiss it solely on that basis:)
Still not willing to answer the question honestly, huh?

I'll post it once more, so you can.

New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Did "God" say this?
Please cite your citation that GoThomas was rejected by "God".

If you can't find any citation or text or passage indicating it, please be honest enough to state it.

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What a silly question to ask non-Christian. I believe in a higher power but not what some of you have turned him in to.
But I will give you an answer...no...I do not believe that we are born with sinful nature...nor to I believe that we are separated from God.
Kind of a silly question in my way of thinking.
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Since I am not atheist nor do I consider myself a pagan...this post does not even apply to me. Again...it was just your way of twisting and turning to not address what is written to you.
Yes...I know...you consider everyone that does not agree with you an atheist/pagan.
there is no need to twist and turn anything, Annie, your following statement summarizes why we will forever be at an impasse unless you become born again:

"I will give you an answer...no...I do not believe that we are born with sinful nature..."

until you're ready to trade your sinful nature for a new one, please understand that it's the family of cain that will not tolerate the family of abel and not vice versa:)

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