“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418041 Nov 5, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
The purpose of my chili analogy was to illustrate what I believe about eternal punishment. Kaitlin asked me a fair question, and I used a parable answer it.
I don't believe that atheists are punished with eternal exclusion by God's will, but rather by their own rejection of God. If atheists reject God, it's their own choice. If consciousness after bodily death does continue, then the atheist is separated from all love and light for eternity if they have not come to Christ at the end of their natural life.
It seems silly that atheists would complain about this.
So let me present a hypothetical scenario, and ask a reasonable question- and please, for the sake of intellectual integrity, I request that you not try to change the scenario I am going to present to reflect your views.
Suppose your son just turned 21.
He is a high school graduate.
He is in perfect health (as close to perfect as possible).
He has been informed by you that he needs to follow the rules and guidelines of the house.
He has had the best upbringing you can possibly give him up to this point in his life.
He has never been arrested.
He has never been abused.
He has no interest in getting a job.
He has no interest in going to college.
He eats food without replacing it.
He refuses to help with chores.
He feels entitled to do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and complains if you try to impose minor consequences upon him for his actions.
These are the hypothetical facts I have laid out. Consistent with just these facts, as a parent, do you have the right and the moral obligation to compel him to move out for failure to follow the rules you have set before him?
Yes, it would give you the right to evict him. It would not give you the right to burn him on a bonfire in the back yard forever. I guess you don't see the difference in that, do you?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#418042 Nov 5, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Infanticide, yes; pedophilia, no.
Did you have a point ?
You are attacking my arguenent of Hassidic treatment of blood being as close to pedophilia as breastfeeding is, to human sacrifice and infanticide ?
Holy Shit! You are really making me look good.
ROFLMAO
You counter my reductio ad absurdinam with arguementum a fantasia.
Would have hoped you could at least have used the Naturalistic fallacy. Of course that would have been self defeating to the one you are aupporting.
You must be really mad at me to use such dismal rhetodic.
Attend, twerp.

Let us cut to the chase.

Throwing an infant in the fire for some superstitious twaddle is infanticide.

Mutilating infants for some superstitious twaddle is child abuse.

Sucking on an infant's penis, mutilated or otherwise, is pedophilia.

If you're prepared to allow any of 'em, you'll have to explain why it's fundamentally different from BOTH of the other two.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#418043 Nov 5, 2012
Rose THeodors wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, the voice of experience. I had a friend who dealt cocaine, another who was addicted to cocaine, but they both are now Christian. I watched them cry and give me their money to hold, so they would not snort it. I have knowledge from the speaker of the world, which is why my dad no longer has cancer and these friends are now Christans. Sorry, you can't call me out. You won't believe me, and funny thing, I was not posting to you so it does not matter. I also worked and work in the model and film industry, so I know a lot about people who deal with drugs. But, since I am allegedly faking something, oh well.
well

you are not faking intellect

no hint of that

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#418044 Nov 5, 2012
DearthOfCouth wrote:
<quoted text>
The anger, contempt and sheer negativity Iíve seen from a lot of the Christians here hasnít surprised me. I was expecting it: weíre going to hell, weíre possessed by demons, weíre all stupid, weíre spawns of Satan, etc., etc. Nothing new there.
This recurring fascination with homosexuality, though, has surprised me. The last time I remarked it, a Christian accused me of ďfreaking outĒ over it.
So I suppose, by choosing not to ignore it, Iím ďfreaking outĒ again.
I confess that I do find it puzzling. Iíve never seen a reference here to the evils of gluttony or vanity or drunkenness, but we return, time after time, to homosexuality. I don't think I understand the lure of it.
you should attend an anti-pornography group hosted by christians.

the sweaty palms, the bated breath, the grey hair, the air electric with sexual tension.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#418045 Nov 5, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>This is definitely the fundie, misogynist male point of view. knowledge claims to be a woman and says that the socks she created here are her husband(s), but slipped up and had one of her socks say he was the husband. And for some reason, he thinks he's fooling someone other than himself.
it didn't take long to figure out it is a man pretending to be a woman.

what really made him transparent is when he posted under POPS.

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#418046 Nov 5, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Your obsession with how long I sat in church is still in place.
Yep, I did. And I studied. And I left Christianity for the best of reasons: intellectual integrity; honesty; morality; ethics.
I left christianity because I wished to acquire those qualities.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418047 Nov 5, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Never called her that. I only called Kate that becuase she fits the stereotype to a 'T'.
I like Annie and you but think you are too close tothe issue to be unbiased. I was cricumcised by a doctor in a hospital. I do understand that Jews find blood to be sacred and I also understand the emotional bond between parent and child, mothers usually more so than fathers. However, I do not have to pretend that emotion is a basis for "Truth". You want to breast find, more power to you. I don;t think it is harmful or perverted, just archaic and ritualistic. Someone finds sucking a few drops of blood to be an act of spiritual respect, go for it. What to nip a tiny flap of penis skin (it is not as traumatic an event as it is in adults)from a male chold or peirce your five year old daughter's ears, nose or eyebrow, hey, they might thank you for it years later.
Want to call any of it a major need for survival in modern civilization though and you need to back it up with more than feelings.
Billions of people are thriving with and without circumcission, breastfeeding, scarification rituals, eating placentas, piercings, nose bones, lip plates, neck stretching, foot binding, ad infinitum.
Now, if you want to argue againt clitorectomies then we are into some common ground. It is not just appearance or convenience but biologically altering. It is the equivalent of major castration. Yet, that was acceptable for males in western society as late as 1861 when the practice was finally outlawed in Italy.
The breast-feeding debate has been backed up by several people on a medical basis, not an emotional one.

However, I can't see that any woman alive would not be a little emotional about breast-feeding being compared to pedophilia, which is what you did in retaliation of the remark about Jewish priests being pedophiles. If I had returned your remark by saying that the same could be said of a father cuddling and kissing his infant, I think you would have been emotional also.

The argument was not just from an emotional point of view, however. Several of us backed up the fact that breast-feeding is best for an infant and gave the medical reasons why.

You still argued that it is unnecessary in this day and time, even to the point of saying that inoculations take the place of the nourishment and anti-bodies a baby gets from it's mother.

This whole argument could have been avoided had you not said breast-feeding could be seen as pedophilia also. But you won't admit that.

As far as I'm concerned, since you cannot admit that it was a bad analogy to say that breast feeding could also be seen as pedophilia, the discussion is over at this point. You can continue to think that all you will. You can continue to think that breast feeding is not necessary in this day and age because there are artificial foods/milk and inoculations which take its place. Those things are not only unnecessary, but still do not do for an infant what breast feeding does. That's not an emotional response, that's a medical fact.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418048 Nov 5, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you're missing my point.
I do not believe that hell is as described in 'Dante's Inferno.' I think the way that Christians and skeptics alike have interpreted hell or the concept of eternal damnation is grossly mistaken.
We are given one chance (comprised of our own adult lifetime-however long that may be) to recognize the truth of God's existence, and love for us. I don't think we are sent to a fire-pit hell, or any weird and terrible place where demons run around with pitch-forks. I think we cause ourselves to be ejected from the presence of God by the choices we make. If you don't want to believe in God, or accept Jesus, that's your choice. I just believe that you will retain a sense of consciousness after your body dies, and you will be hyper-aware of eternal darkness and separation from love and joy.
Separation from God is hell.
Why would a god give you one short life (compared to eternity) to believe in him if he doesn't ever show up? Why would he distance himself from you after that one brief period of time for the same reason?

Seems like a very insecure or sadistic God to me.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#418049 Nov 5, 2012
good night all.

if you haven't already voted, please do so!

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418050 Nov 5, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
I never met a person who didn't have skeletons in their closet and tried to keep them there.
You are 100% open all the time with everyone ? NO secrets from anyone ? Not silent about anything ?
I seriously doubt it.
Not telling everyone your personal life story is hiding something. There are just things people don't have any reason to know.

I've never committed a crime. I've never done anything I am truly ashamed of other than waiting so long to search for the truth. I have never intentionally hurt anyone or anything. So yes, I'm saying I don't have anything of importance that I am hiding from anyone.

Now, if you ask what my husband and I did in the bedroom, I would simply have to tell you that it is personal. That's not hiding it, it's keeping it where it's supposed to be.

If you're hiding things, then it must be something you are ashamed of. I have never done anything I think would harm me for others to know. I've done some stupid things in life that don't make pleasant memories but if asked specifically if I had ever done them, I would honestly say yes. Except on Topix and that's just because the fundies would have a field day with it.

My husband and I bought some property in FL without ever seeing it. That was in the 60's when we were both young and eager to plan for the future. Turned out it was swamp land and no condos were being built on it nor could they ever be. I'm embarassed, but I don't hide it.

Being silent is not the same thing as hiding things at times. Some things do not need to be shared with anyone outside the person with whom you are most intimate. I believe in complete honesty in that. If not, you will always live a lie.

I think part of my problem in life is that I am too honest, and I say things that are not conducive to people being comfortable with them.

But I have made enough mistakes in life to make up for the honesty about things.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418051 Nov 5, 2012
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
I left christianity because I wished to acquire those qualities.
That's sort of what I meant. I could no longer stay in a religion in which I saw such a lack of those things.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418052 Nov 5, 2012
Okay, it's late and I have to go curl up with my book. Everyone have a good night and sleep well.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#418054 Nov 5, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>.... There are just things people don't have any reason to know.....
That is called "something to hide".

Thank you for proving my point.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#418055 Nov 5, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
Okay, it's late and I have to go curl up with my book. Everyone have a good night and sleep well.
G'night!

“Selected Marksman”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#418056 Nov 6, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a filthy imbecile full of hatred, which you learned from your atheism. And your mother was probably generalizing humanity based on your pitiful worthless life.
If I were your parent, you would have the shit beat out of you even now, even if you are 40, 50, 60 years old. I'd be so embarrassed to have been the DNA donor to shit like you.
There's that nasty violent hateful christer nature we all know so well.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#418057 Nov 6, 2012
Mr Wiggley wrote:
<quoted text>
There's that nasty violent hateful christer nature we all know so well.
There are Christians, and then there are Christians.

OYE was a Christian.

And I miss her.

Much.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418058 Nov 6, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
That is called "something to hide".
Thank you for proving my point.
Whatever, G.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#418059 Nov 6, 2012
Saint Augustine wrote:
<quoted text>
There are Christians, and then there are Christians.
OYE was a Christian.
And I miss her.
Much.
Yep.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#418060 Nov 6, 2012
Huh wrote:
No, the difference between you and me is I do not make claims that are not based on evidence.
Start here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch/...
You continually claim that I have no objective basis for morality.
As do you here.
If a god does not exist, an objectively provable existence of objective morality does not exist, and an objective need for objective morality to exist does not exist.
Will try to find time to get to the rest of your points later. As it is, i have to work. It is election day. More like prohibition day since liquor is not sold in many places today. I assume you are interested in the truth of the matter at some level. So it is worth your time to watch carefully the debate referenced above. You will probably not find it convincing but it may take on meaning later in your life.

Since: May 11

Reality, USA

#418061 Nov 6, 2012
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>
There was nothing wrong with the Sermon on the Mount. It just pinpoints and PROVES Who is going to have the authority to throw your evil carcass into Hell and you don't like that.
That is the only problem you have with it.
LOL...you said "Hell" as if it is a real place...LOL.

And no "proof" has been given...it is your belief, not a proven fact. Very different.

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