Why I’m no longer a Christian

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#417230 Nov 4, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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ROFLMAO
That is such BS and you know it.
So there's never been any misogyny in this country? I was a woman working in the 60's forward. Don't get your panties in a wad, but there is still a great deal of it out there. Just listen to the political candidates!

You don't buy the 'I am woman crap' either, remember?

Since: Sep 12

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#417231 Nov 4, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Good question Mr.W. I have wondered that from the day that I joined this discussion and read all the hate and threats from the "so called" christians. The only answer that I came up with is that these types of believers are "repeating" what their preachers are screaming to them from behind the pulpits. Here are 2 more questions that I have pondered on..
1- I have noticed that most of THESE Believers will also say that they will only believe the KJV Bible..They claim that is the only TRUE version. I have been on here and claimed that we are "Justified By Faith in Grace Alone" They disagree with me on this, HOWEVER, Martin Luther Believed this way as well. If Martin Luther believed this way and the hateful christians only believe his version of the bible, Then WHY dont they BELIEVE what they read???
2- My other question is aimed at these fire and brimstone style christians...While they sit in their pews and listen to their preacher scream these threats, Are they applying this to THEMSELVES or are they looking around at the congregation or even thinking of us on this thread and applying it to EVERYONE ELSE? If they will admit the truth, those who apply it to everyone else are the one's who are actually in the danger that they apply to everyone else.
Lets see how they squirm out of this one..Good day Mr. Wiggley
This is a very good post Grace. The "fire 'n' brimstone" mentality of fundamentalism is very constrictive. It operates on a tunnel vision mentality in which members of that type of congregation focus on the behavior of others, and not on their own. Jesus warned against this trap of spiritual competitiveness. The mature Christian doesn't compare him or herself to other Christians or non-Christians in such an arrogant way. We realize that our salvation is not dependent upon our behavior, but upon God's grace. We change our behavior over time out of appreciation for that grace, and the cost that was paid for that grace by Jesus.

“Live Love Laugh”

Since: Aug 07

Rings of Saturn Emporium

#417232 Nov 4, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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I have loved that song for many years...long before I knew you existed. Has nothing to do with you "G".
At various points in my life I have had to step out of my box...at times that has been scary...I have always used music...certain songs...that hold meaning. I am at one of those times in my life.
Actually...it was not you that reminded me of that song. It was a post by WN to someone else that triggered my thoughts and sent me searching for it.
Sorry...but if calling me an asshole makes you better than I...then go for it. I will still have a good day...even knowing that is what you think of me.
G thinks everything is about him. How could everything *not* be about him? He has 3 degrees, a BMW and a job with good retirement! I'm sure no one else has ever accomplished such a feat! We'll hear about him on the news any day now.

Since: Sep 12

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#417233 Nov 4, 2012
Knowledge wrote:
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Work midnights like I did, you work an extra hour, and you don't get paid for it. You work nine hours not eight. Will take me a few years to get use to this. The last few years I lost and hour. Only a person who has or does work the graveyard shift knows what that is. Many things to get use too your first year in retirement, it sure is nice...Thanks for your concern tho, I slept very good......LOL ;)_
Very weak defense..You gained an hour. Admit it.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#417234 Nov 4, 2012
Saint Augustine wrote:
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Mine too.
I prefer hot pink.
:)
Hey darlin'!

It is so good to see you again SA. Still just as cute as you ever were! LOL

BTW I always thought you looked good in hot pink...

:-)

Since: Jan 11

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#417235 Nov 4, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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This is a very good post Grace. The "fire 'n' brimstone" mentality of fundamentalism is very constrictive. It operates on a tunnel vision mentality in which members of that type of congregation focus on the behavior of others, and not on their own. Jesus warned against this trap of spiritual competitiveness. The mature Christian doesn't compare him or herself to other Christians or non-Christians in such an arrogant way. We realize that our salvation is not dependent upon our behavior, but upon God's grace. We change our behavior over time out of appreciation for that grace, and the cost that was paid for that grace by Jesus.
Caravaggio's The Incredulity of Saint Thomas.

Good Avatar.

But you realize Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian, right?

Since: Sep 12

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#417236 Nov 4, 2012
Resurrectionologist wrote:
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This is a very good post Grace. The "fire 'n' brimstone" mentality of fundamentalism is very constrictive. It operates on a tunnel vision mentality in which members of that type of congregation focus on the behavior of others, and not on their own. Jesus warned against this trap of spiritual competitiveness. The mature Christian doesn't compare him or herself to other Christians or non-Christians in such an arrogant way. We realize that our salvation is not dependent upon our behavior, but upon God's grace. We change our behavior over time out of appreciation for that grace, and the cost that was paid for that grace by Jesus.
Thank You..I love this qoute. God isn't looking for Behavior Modification..He is looking for Heart Trasformation.. The wisdom behind that is.. GOD knew that once our hearts were transformed..Everything else will follow the heart. Grace and Peace to you

Since: Jan 11

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#417237 Nov 4, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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Hey darlin'!
It is so good to see you again SA. Still just as cute as you ever were! LOL
BTW I always thought you looked good in hot pink...
:-)
Uh oh.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#417238 Nov 4, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>G thinks everything is about him. How could everything *not* be about him? He has 3 degrees, a BMW and a job with good retirement! I'm sure no one else has ever accomplished such a feat! We'll hear about him on the news any day now.
Okay...I am strange...but your post reminded me of this one...yes...another 1970's song...yes...I still have a long way to go but I am on that journey to 2012! At least in this mind of mine! LOL

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#417239 Nov 4, 2012
Saint Augustine wrote:
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Uh oh.
:-)

Aaaaaw but ya know...I still love ya!

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#417240 Nov 4, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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Good morning Mr. Wiggley!
I always find it amusing but sad when someone selects a name to post under that describes themselves in such a manner. Oh...I know...in actuality they "think" that they are addressing the person that they are responding to. More often than not it is more of a reflection of their own self as often is indicated in the words that they write.
Name calling??? I could write a book on my opinion of that but will shorten it to...if I can't get my point across without resorting to name calling...then I have a problem.
Hi Annie...I agree, it's certainly amusing to some of us but I believe they actually think they are accomplishing something positive in their favor by doing so. What they are not capable of realizing however, is their loss of respect and credibility.
Oh well...
Have a nice day!!!

Since: Jan 11

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#417241 Nov 4, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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:-)
Aaaaaw but ya know...I still love ya!
I can susplain that pink outfit, hon.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#417242 Nov 4, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Good question Mr.W. I have wondered that from the day that I joined this discussion and read all the hate and threats from the "so called" christians. The only answer that I came up with is that these types of believers are "repeating" what their preachers are screaming to them from behind the pulpits. Here are 2 more questions that I have pondered on..
1- I have noticed that most of THESE Believers will also say that they will only believe the KJV Bible..They claim that is the only TRUE version. I have been on here and claimed that we are "Justified By Faith in Grace Alone" They disagree with me on this, HOWEVER, Martin Luther Believed this way as well. If Martin Luther believed this way and the hateful christians only believe his version of the bible, Then WHY dont they BELIEVE what they read???
2- My other question is aimed at these fire and brimstone style christians...While they sit in their pews and listen to their preacher scream these threats, Are they applying this to THEMSELVES or are they looking around at the congregation or even thinking of us on this thread and applying it to EVERYONE ELSE? If they will admit the truth, those who apply it to everyone else are the one's who are actually in the danger that they apply to everyone else.
Lets see how they squirm out of this one..Good day Mr. Wiggley
All we can do is sit back and await the posting of some very interesting explainations.
Hope you have a nice day also Grace.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#417243 Nov 4, 2012
Saint Augustine wrote:
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Caravaggio's The Incredulity of Saint Thomas.
Good Avatar.
But you realize Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian, right?
Why, of course he was silly!
Why else do you suppose the cathaholics would still be crucifying him in their churches!
And that devil fella---there must really be one! How else could they have painted such perfect pictures of him!

Since: Sep 12

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#417244 Nov 4, 2012
Saint Augustine wrote:
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Caravaggio's The Incredulity of Saint Thomas.
Good Avatar.
But you realize Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian, right?
Ok..Each group has their own definition of "Christian" that agrees with their own beliefs about the nature of Jesus, God, church tradition, written text, evolved theology, the cultures in which they are implanted, etc. There appears to be no way to compromise on a single definition that is acceptable to all.

Jesus was Jewish. He was born a Jew, lived a Jewish life, taught and read in the synagogue, and was called 'rabbi' by some of his followers. The word 'Christian' refers to the followers of 'the Christ'- the Messiah, the anointed one. Jesus, in this context could not have been a 'Christian' by definition. However, Jesus was no ordinary Jew. Christians believe that he was sent by God as God in human form (hence the other name that Jesus used 'Emman\uel' which means 'God with us'). God the Father had revealed himself to the Jews over thousands of years in the stories in the Old Testament (or the 'Old Covenant'/Old Agreement') but the Jews continued to rebel against God to such an extent that even when the prophets foretold the messiah coming the Jews still ignored them.

Jesus, because of his teaching, his miracles and his crucifixion and resurrection, was seen as the fulfilment of the New Covenant (hence the accounts of his life are in the part of the Bible called the New Testament) between God and humankind. He showed the way to God through love and not mindless rules, and he made it very clear that his message was for all humanity and not just for the Jews.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#417245 Nov 4, 2012
Saint Augustine wrote:
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I can susplain that pink outfit, hon.
I know...I know...you were just getting in touch with your feminine side.

Since: Jan 11

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#417246 Nov 4, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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I know...I know...you were just getting in touch with your feminine side.
LOL.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#417247 Nov 4, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>G thinks everything is about him. How could everything *not* be about him? He has 3 degrees, a BMW and a job with good retirement! I'm sure no one else has ever accomplished such a feat! We'll hear about him on the news any day now.
Hopefully the breast feeding conversation has run it's course...I am beyond that stage in life!

Can't believe that I am posting this but...what the hell!

Please no one else read beyond this point!:-(

I personally would like to see this be the next topic that we are educated about...

http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/azhealthtopi...

Vaginal Douching - To Douche or Not to Douche - The Douche Debate Continues

Yes...I know...I am being a smartass this morning! I think I need to go for my walk...

Sorry...don't have a clue as to how this relates to "Why I Am No Longer A Christian"...some how...there has to be a tie in.

Since: Jan 11

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#417248 Nov 4, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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Ok..Each group has their own definition of "Christian" that agrees with their own beliefs about the nature of Jesus, God, church tradition, written text, evolved theology, the cultures in which they are implanted, etc. There appears to be no way to compromise on a single definition that is acceptable to all.
Jesus was Jewish. He was born a Jew, lived a Jewish life, taught and read in the synagogue, and was called 'rabbi' by some of his followers. The word 'Christian' refers to the followers of 'the Christ'- the Messiah, the anointed one. Jesus, in this context could not have been a 'Christian' by definition. However, Jesus was no ordinary Jew. Christians believe that he was sent by God as God in human form (hence the other name that Jesus used 'Emman\uel' which means 'God with us'). God the Father had revealed himself to the Jews over thousands of years in the stories in the Old Testament (or the 'Old Covenant'/Old Agreement') but the Jews continued to rebel against God to such an extent that even when the prophets foretold the messiah coming the Jews still ignored them.
Jesus, because of his teaching, his miracles and his crucifixion and resurrection, was seen as the fulfilment of the New Covenant (hence the accounts of his life are in the part of the Bible called the New Testament) between God and humankind. He showed the way to God through love and not mindless rules, and he made it very clear that his message was for all humanity and not just for the Jews.
Christ is a myth, child.

Jesus, if he ever existed, was a Jew.

The gospels of the NT all are based on the fiction of Mark or proto-Mark.

Mark is a brilliant work. It's Greek is crude, but its literary style is highly sophisticated.

If you suspend your suspension of disbelief and read that text for the fictional work it is, you'll understand.

But I'm not holding my breath.

“SPEBSQSA”

Since: Aug 08

Northern Virginia

#417249 Nov 4, 2012
AnnieJ wrote:
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Okay...I am strange...but your post reminded me of this one...yes...another 1970's song...yes...I still have a long way to go but I am on that journey to 2012! At least in this mind of mine! LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9qEEtkuBkEIXX
You bring the memories of The Turtles, Mamas and Papas, Grand Funk Railroad, The Association and other such bands from those good ole days.

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