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waaasssuuup wrote:
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your discounting of sworn evidence that God Himself came to earth to ratify through His own blood and fulfill ther very law/Covenant He established IS NOT a noble or an intelligent decision and it never will be.....
Blood sacrifices were started long before your God came into being. From the most ancient times, people tried to appease their Gods with animal and even human sacrifices. Of course, that never stopped a tornado, a flood, a hurricane, an earthquake or a war from being lost.

To think that a human being was sacrificed for someone else's sin is a new tack on the scapegoat theory. Not only that, it is immoral to allow someone else to die for what YOU do.

Those who are the least responsible for their own actions are most attracted to this religion, and they don't mind having had someone die to cover their as*es.

I have never done anything in my life that deserved death, and certainly not someone else's death.

It's the draw of fundamentalist Christians who those who are afraid they will have to answer for their actions and want to escape punishment.

I've got news for you: If there is a life after this one, the only just thing for a God to do is make it a life based on your actions in this life...not kill off himself (as if a deity could actually die!) to excuse you of anything you do. What a putrid way to walk blindly through life! Jesus NEVER, EVER taught such a concept.
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water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Neither did anyone else.
I wonder if this is another of lack-of-knowledge's husbands?
This comeing from a "TROUBLEMAKER" that sat in church 50yrs and caused fights and strife with the members!!!! "THEY" Caught on to your TWISTED WAYS and threw you out!! So then being a mad old bitty, you made up your current name and joined "SATANISM" as your "CULT" and "YOU" ate it up HOOK LINE AND SINKER!!!with like minded people and it made you warm and fuzzy to be wanted again!!! So now like a mad hatter!!!!! You come on here spouting bullcrap!!! And when some of us showed "YOUR LIAR FRIEND as what he is a LIAR!!!! You took up the standard to "TRY" to make anyone who told the TRUTH!!! About you and SISSY WIGGS so now you just whine and bellow your crap without ceaseing. And that's WHAT "YOU" LIVE for and anyone that says anything against me or my wife you jump in and WIMPER in GLEE!!!
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G_O_D wrote:
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Just like you discount all the evidence to the contrary.
Cite the verse where Jesus says "I am God." and we can settle this matter once and for all.
As stated before this comeing from a "DUDE" sitting in grandma"s basement in his WONDER WOMAN UNDEROOS," sitting" reaching down and "scratching"his brain drinking grape soda reading the men magazine and having thinking HOW CUTE they look.
And SORRY pee wee don't buy the 3 univesity diplomas crap eather!!!IF THAT WAS TRUE BRAINCHILD hahahahah. "YOU" would not be on here 24/7

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So God does nothing on this planet ?
I disagree. The Scriptures say EVERYTHING is from God. From weather to life itself.
God does not intervene in people's life or weather. When the Apostles died so did the use of miracles, and when Jesus went to Heaven all divine interventions ceased. Show me where God intervened after he was risen.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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good grief, okay - you can take responsibility for your own sin than and discount yourself from the benefits of the Blood of the Lamb...
I think you know that is not what I was saying in the least. In the end I believe that we will each be held accountable for our lives. I do not believe that I am discounting any benefits by taking full responsibility for my life. To be honest I find it odd that you donít seem to think we should.

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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i agree with you and so does the Creator, so much so that the penalty for failure is death!
i hope you don't fail in any of the criteria and it's too bad for you that you don't get to establish the criteria...
Your religion doesn't get to establish the criteria for anyone but it's followers, silly. The rest of earth's population establish criteria based on something else.

That's the trouble with rabid Christianity...you think you can establish your religious rules for everyone. You can't, and it pisses you off.

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i agree with you and so does the Creator, so much so that the penalty for failure is death!
i hope you don't fail in any of the criteria and it's too bad for you that you don't get to establish the criteria...
By the way..you're going to die just like everyone else. Your body will rot in the ground just like everyone else's.

You don't have proof of anything past that. You're just such a sissy that you can't stand to think that this is the end of you.

Believe me, if there is any justice, you'll get the same life you've had this time, but it will be harder because you didn't learn any lessons in humanity this time around. Next time you will be forced to learn those lessons.

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water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>They say the same about you, you know. Their religion is just as valid. Your religion has a history filled genocide, Inquisitions and Crusades. They just haven't been around long enough to get to the true Inquisition stage yet, though they have had Crusades.
If you would study your bible you would know how God expects things to be done. If I asked you to tell me when the church of the bible was started by showing me where you got this information at to back it up, let me know your answer and I'll tell you mine and let's see what we come up with.

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ďThe basic idea of my argument could be put (a bit crudely) as follows. First, the probability of our cognitive faculties being reliable, given naturalism and evolution, is low. (To put it a bit inaccurately but suggestively, if naturalism and evolution were both true, our cognitive faculties would very likely not be reliable.) But then according to the second premise of my argument, if I believe both naturalism and evolution, I have a defeater for my intuitive assumption that my cognitive faculties are reliable. If I have a defeater for that belief, however, then I have a defeater for any belief I take to be produced by my cognitive faculties. That means that I have a defeater for my belief that naturalism and evolution are true. So my belief that naturalism and evolution are true gives me a defeater for that very belief; that belief shoots itself in the foot and is self-referentially incoherent; therefore I cannot rationally accept it. And if one canít accept both naturalism and evolution, that pillar of current science, then there is serious conflict between naturalism and science.Ē -Alvin Plantinga

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bmz wrote:
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I agree with that.
Although Paul lied through his teeth, he did not consider Jesus to be God at all, for he wrote, "Jesus the man, is a mediator between God and men. He is on record for saying that.
Paul preached a resurrected Jesus and the Church founded Christianity on that lie.
Even Jesus' own disciples did not believe that he was resurrected. According to Luke, Peter went home from the tomb, wondering what had happened.
Have a nice day, mate. It is good night from Singapore.
Paul refers to Jesus as Creator and Kyrios, but aside from that Paul repeatedly references passages in the Old Testament which refer to Yahweh, and applies them to Jesus.

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clw3 wrote:
ďThe basic idea of my argument could be put (a bit crudely) as follows. First, the probability of our cognitive faculties being reliable, given naturalism and evolution, is low.(To put it a bit inaccurately but suggestively, if naturalism and evolution were both true, our cognitive faculties would very likely not be reliable.) But then according to the second premise of my argument, if I believe both naturalism and evolution, I have a defeater for my intuitive assumption that my cognitive faculties are reliable. If I have a defeater for that belief, however, then I have a defeater for any belief I take to be produced by my cognitive faculties. That means that I have a defeater for my belief that naturalism and evolution are true. So my belief that naturalism and evolution are true gives me a defeater for that very belief; that belief shoots itself in the foot and is self-referentially incoherent; therefore I cannot rationally accept it. And if one canít accept both naturalism and evolution, that pillar of current science, then there is serious conflict between naturalism and science.Ē-Alvin Plantinga
This thread is not about evolution.... There's another thread for that.

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water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> you think you can establish your religious rules for everyone. You can't, and it pisses you off.
I can't, but Yahweh did...and that pisses you off

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water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Brilliant! Still doesn't sound like porn. I guess there are only a few who would think of it as sounding like porn, which is a good thing.
Heh heh...Those defective pieces of the puzzle that never quite fit properly and distort the purpose of the real picture.

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<quoted text> Never entered my mind. It sounded Native American to me, but then I'm of NA heritage so I am predisposed in that way.
Nearly identical meaning WN. Lakota are some of the closest to spirit and nature. IMO

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G_O_D wrote:
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1. Jesus never said He was God.
2. Ishmael was the first born of Abraham and Hagar was Abraham's second wife.
There was nothing wrong with having more than one wife at that time. However, Abraham's divorcing her was a crime under Canaanite law but Abraham's sacrifice of Ishmael to Ba'El was not.
LOL - "cast out the bondwoman and her son for he will not share the inheritance with the son of promise"

this is what the entire mideast crisis is based on!

while you've been playing with dungeons and dragons, i've been seeking God;)

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G_O_D wrote:
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Just like you discount all the evidence to the contrary.
Cite the verse where Jesus says "I am God." and we can settle this matter once and for all.
IT has been settled once and for all and the entire Bible is the scripture that i'm citing to you as proof. dig in!;)

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water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus would have been considered a bastard at the time of his birth, as Joseph and Mary were not married. Don't throw stones. People tend to pick them up and throw them back at the glass house you live in.
born of a virgin, but, yes, that's what joseph thought until he received a vision from God:)

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scambuster wrote:
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So let me get this straight... God sent his son, who is actually himself to kill himself so that people don't have to slaughter animals to atone for a concept called sin, that he had to create in the first place, since God is the creator of all things?
Yeah, sounds like the truth to me.... Sigh...
somethings bothering you enough to feel the need to debate about here:)

you created sin. now, do you care to take responsibility enough to have it irradicated in you?:)

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waaasssuuup wrote:
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i agree with you and so does the Creator, so much so that the penalty for failure is death!
i hope you don't fail in any of the criteria and it's too bad for you that you don't get to establish the criteria...
Death is not a penalty. It is but a part of the process of the perpetual cycling of the essence of energy. Your biological vessel is merely a part of that cycle.
It is not "special", except to the perspective of the individual cognizance that perceives it as such.

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water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text> I agree that Jesus was not a fraud. Making him the Christ was. But they still can't believe in his words, they have to turn to Paul.
The Gospels state that Jesus is Christ. Do you believe that Paul wrote the Gospels?

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