Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

[Terry]

gramps wrote:

Jet fuel only burns at 1,700 degrees, & would have burned up in 15 seconds, & it takes 2,700 degrees to melt steel, so the 911 Commission Report could NOT have been true. A sealed blast furnace for 2 hours & bellows of oxygen are needed to melt steel. The towers fell after only about 45 minutes of fires. Molten steel was seen flowing from the towers before it crashed

What? I thought the nist guy said he saw nothing molten of any kind!

[Terry]

SpaceCowboy64 wrote:

By definition, 911 WAS a conspiracy.
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
A group of conspirators.
Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.
The terrorists conspired against the U.S. I just solved this debate.
You are welcome.

"The terrorists conspired against the U.S. I just solved this debate."

So can you prove this?

[Terry]

bill smith wrote:

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"As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.
Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!
Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army &#8211; Turbine engineering specialist. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp.. Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division ... Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director.... the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Private pilot.

Oh boy this one really makes you look bad tom.

But hey folks I am sure tom will excuse this guy and say he "shell shocked" or something.

Nice bill. Wonder if tom has any answer.

[Terry]

RADEKT wrote:

I dont understand folks, last week terry told us that no plane wers hijacked on 9/11 ..... now terry is talking about hijackers !?!?!?!?
how many times will terry change the story folks ?!?!?!?!?!
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Nice try rad. Lying again we see.

No I never said anything of the sort.

What I said was YOU BUSH LOVERS CANT PROVE THEY BOARDED OR FLEW THOSE PLANES.

This is something you dont want people to realize.

Terry wrote:
<quoted text>They cant prove who flew the planes.
They just post like they had live video feeds into the cockpits.

Wait til you see moron rad tell us all what the hijackers (that he cant even prove were on the planes) were thinking before and during the attack.

As if he could even know.

Again folks the bush lover 9/11 CT is a joke.
Almost no proof of anything if you think about it.

[Terry]

RADEKT wrote:

Folks , lets take a look what a numbskull terry is, shall we
First terry says that there is no proof the OBL
was involved in the 9/11 attacks ...but we have him on video talking with other people about the 9/11 operation
then terry tells us we can't prove the hijackers were on the airplanes on 9/11, but we have the security video camera footage from the airport of the hijackers going through security and getting on the planes
then terry will tell us that no planes were hijacked on 9/11 but we have plenty of photos of plane wreckage at the WTC, Pentagon , and Shanksville along with thousands of eyewitnesses that saw planes
Folks can terry really be this stupid, or does terry have a political agenda to move forward regardless of what the evidence shows us !?!?!?!??
Folks , I don't think we can trust anything terry says, terry is not an unbiased citizen just "asking questions" ..... terry has an agenda and that agenda is clouding terry's common sense !!!!!
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Look who has to come to the rescue for tom - such a good cabin boy. I guess you can see I nailed tom again.

Thats a lot of lies rad. ill take out a few.

"First terry says that there is no proof the OBL"

No what I said was you cant provide proof that would hold up in a court of law let alone justify the blood of 1 million civilians (women children elderly) you and your fellow bush lovers have on your shoulders. How does it feel to be responsible for all those victims rad? Do you ever feel anything for all the blood you spilled? Do you care?(I dont think he does).
Mark of a sociopath folks.

"Folks , I don't think we can trust anything terry says,"

And yes - look whose getting nervous - trying to convince people huh rad? Jeez can you say desperate folks. No name calling? What trying to convince the middle of the road folks that you are to be believed as an "expert"?

HAHA!! What a joke.

Terry wrote:
<quoted text>Sure so boring you cant resist answering right?

truth is just trying to brown nose for his boss tom folks.

even he can see that liar tom has had to resort to simply lying again about hanjour and how "easy" the path 77 took was supposed to be.
tom must be getting pressure or the sense that more and more people are not buying his bush lover bs.

Terry wrote:
<quoted text>HOws that project coming tom? Thought you were busy?

Wow liar tom you are again just down to lying outright.

You said you could do hanjours manuever 9 out of 10 times - remember?

One of your bush lovers just gave us a link of the instructor that said he could train someone withing a few hours to fly a large airliner.
Oh so let me see now it IS NOT EASY to fly a 757 at 500+ mph hour at 20'-30' above the ground.
Again folks the stories of the bush lovers changes again.

But tom im not going for your misdirection again - maybe it is a BLT. First you say one thing then you say another and then when I pull the post you simply ignore that FACT that you are straight lying to everyone.

One day tom said hanjours flight was easy not it appears not so easy. Who can know.

This tells me more that hanjour could not have flown 77 into the pentagon like the bush ct says he did.

[Terry]

kosam wrote:

<quoted text>If, you say; NIST IS not credible no matter how many degrees you have signing off. Then your not either! no matter how smart you are. Welcome to the family.

Never said I was credible now did I. Never said I was smart either. Do you have a point about NIST or are you just whining?

Terry wrote:
<quoted text>Again folks liar tom nevers like to admit that I have never disgreed with anything ANYTHING that NIST said.

Why? Because they made their best guesses on what happened at a crime scene 6 years after the fact and they inspected .005% of the evidence at from that crime scene.

Their "conclusions" are their best guesses.
I dont disagree with their best guesses. Others sure have for sure though.

Tom has some crazy bush lovers logic where he will "prove" to you via a long sermon that those educated guesses are indeed facts. Its really nuts but he will tell you - just ask him.
As always one could fit a carrier through the holes in their bush 9/11 CT.

Lets see here......I will show you.... oh here we go....FROM LIAR TOMS OWN POSTS:

"A suggested cause of the fire........."
"Could the world trade center have been modified to prevent its collapse?"
When you ask a question it means YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE HECK TOOK PLACE.

"A new theory" bush lover 9/11 CT anyone?
Its within the first few lines folks - shoulda coulds woulda question question questions?

How many more what if reports do we need to read through.

NIST IS not credible no matter how many degrees you have signing off.

[Terry]

what wrote:

<quoted text> ok but your theory is any better? we are just supposed to believe that some magical missles were gonna just come shooting anything out of the ground that got within distance of the pentagon? Thats silly and is just no true. If it was then why the heck wouldnt thousands of pilots who fly our friendly skies back that up? Because its false. Stop acting like your some bastion of freedom and truth. The only evidence you have are from your slanted websites and not from people in the real world. The logistics of pulling off a government scheme like this are incredible and as the evidence comes out you truthers try and debunk it with pure caca.

oh jeez another bush lovers that just asks question - post after post - is this you crusty?

Bring some facts to the table and then I will pay attention to you otherwise go bother someone else.

[Terry]

what wrote:

<quoted text>You guys are the masters at changing facts. You cant even answer simple questions when asked. Its about time you start because nobody is going to ever agree with you dill holes.

Bush lover you put out about 20 posts and have not said one thing of importance. Do you have any facts about 9/11? If not then go away loser.

If you want someone to post to you just ask rad or truth.

But I guess its even obvious to you that old tom does not have much left in his bush lover 9/11 ct tank.

Terry wrote:
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Even toms little groupies knows he is caught.

Yes folks if you look at their posts and how highly they speak about obl - the biggest supporters of bin laden and the biggest critics of our own military are the bush lovers.

And I will state again they cant deny it.

They are just upset with me because I pointed it out for all to see.

Terry wrote:
<quoted text>Yup you really showed me. Your responses "lie" - one word - very convincing.

I will just take on a few. Lets see.

"But you guys being the biggest bin laden supporters apparently think it is just fine."
Again folks who says our military was confused on 9/11?

Who said they had blunder after blunder - mistake after mistake and that is why bin laden got away at tora bora?

Who says our military was not prepared to protect us on 9/11?

Who said obl masterminded 19 to defeat our country from a cave in the mid-east?

The bush lovers of course.

They dont say it directly, but this what I take from their posts. Our military is just a group of incompetents (which I dont believe) and obl is this genius - the saudi batman.

Liar tom you dont see it, but its true.

"Terry: This was you guys - you kept telling anyone and everyone that you had all the facts on 9/11."

Oh sure you attitude has changed a little now since I have been here hammering you guys on your "facts" on the bush 9/11ct really turned out to be your best guesses.

Dont act like before as if you werent telling everyone else they were stupid not to believe you and bush on your 9/11ct.

[MD Rabbi Alam]

First of all I would suggest all of you to see this link, and try to focus what is this documentay about. Here is the link: http://video.google.com/videosearch...

Now, I can say this much which is a big yes from my own understanding and own judgement. But there is always other side of the coin.

Few question to my readers,
Why 9/11 was a official holidy for all jewish people worked in the the WTC?

Who can tell me how many of the Jewish people died on the 9/11 tragedy?

Finally, who can tell me why there was a closed-end security and dog squad was implaced at the lower level of the WTC just a block before the 9/11?

What do you really think?

[MasterOfPuppets]

Terry wrote:

<quoted text>Bush lover you put out about 20 posts and have not said one thing of importance. Do you have any facts about 9/11? If not then go away loser.

Prey Tell
Who died and made you king of this PUBLIC FOURM??????????

[bill smith]

MD Rabbi Alam wrote:

First of all I would suggest all of you to see this link, and try to focus what is this documentay about. Here is the link: http://video.google.com/videosearch...
Now, I can say this much which is a big yes from my own understanding and own judgement. But there is always other side of the coin.
Few question to my readers,
Why 9/11 was a official holidy for all jewish people worked in the the WTC?
Who can tell me how many of the Jewish people died on the 9/11 tragedy?
Finally, who can tell me why there was a closed-end security and dog squad was implaced at the lower level of the WTC just a block before the 9/11?
What do you really think?

This is probably the most informative movie dealing with a potential Jewish connection to 9/11. It's the only one I know that addresses te 4,000 absent Jews on the day.
http://www.911missinglinks.com/ Missing Links

[MasterOfPuppets]

Terry wrote:

<quoted text>Never said I was credible now did I. Never said I was smart either.

Answers:
You aren't on either count.

[krizzee2]

http://incogman.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/what...

All over the place nowadays, people are asking questions about the Holocaust and wondering why this subject is still so controversial after all this time. What is it now, 64 years? People are too scared to voice any doubts, since they’ve been programmed to think that anyone who does so must be evil and anti-Semitic. But when you think about it, sentiments like that should be quite separate from historical facts and never, ever subject to legal efforts

[krizzee2]

So, why is the Holocaust such a big deal? Because it’s a major leg propping up the New World Order and the people behind the curtain — no doubt about it. They know that if you start asking questions about any of this, soon it will lead to a whole helluva lot more. And it’s so easy to see all the reasons (below), that they’ve pushed this version of history on America and the White countries of the West — all the while knowing how much outrage the public would have for being lied to.

[tomk52]

Terry,

tomk wrote:

billy,
I will show where [Heiwa] is wrong, and you will NOT be able to understand it. You've proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Terry wrote:

Wow folks an explanation that ONLY bubble boy tom can understand - never seen that one before.

I didn't make a PREdiction. It was a POSTdiction. It was an easy call.

HISTORY has proven that billy is incapable of understanding a technical concept.

In exactly the same way that history has proven that you will INTENTIONALLY twist (i.e., lie about) what I really said. There is NOTHING in what I said that any HONEST person would interpret as meaning as "I claimed that only I could understand it". You simply lied about that, Terry. Do you really think that your lying is clever??

Thank you, by the way, for proving my point regarding how dishonest you are.

Shortly, billy will prove my point by not being able to understand simple mechanics.

Terry wrote:

He is already front loading it for us folks. He can explain and he is right, but that does not matter because ave people cant understand his explanation anyway.

I never said anything about "AVERAGE" people?? Average people will be able to understand it fairly easily.

I was talking about bill. But, I don't want to makes you feel left out. It also applies to you. And into. And "Bob". In fact, to all you "epistemologically challenged" Twoofers, after all.

You are NOT "average people" at all. You are SPECIAL.

"Short bus special" that is.

Terry wrote:

IN this fashion in toms mind he can now never be wrong.

tk

[bill smith]

krizzee2 wrote:

http://incogman.wordpress.com/ 2009/02/16/whats-the-big-deal- about-the-holocaust/
All over the place nowadays, people are asking questions about the Holocaust and wondering why this subject is still so controversial after all this time. What is it now, 64 years? People are too scared to voice any doubts, since they&#8217;ve been programmed to think that anyone who does so must be evil and anti-Semitic. But when you think about it, sentiments like that should be quite separate from historical facts and never, ever subject to legal efforts

When I was a kid I got curious about Hiitler. I could only find out that hewas a madman and a house painter and had only one ball- that was it. I couldn't see, even as a kid how somebody with so litte going for him managed to lmost take ove the world by force.Even then I could feel the indoctrination and the information starving.

[tomk52]

HG,

Honest G wrote:

This is even spookier!
Check this OUT!---------
An iceberg was blamed for sinking the Titanic. Yeah right. Do they expect us to believe that ice--which is frozen water--is stronger than metal--the stuff they make swords out of? If icebergs are really that tough, then why don't people make boats out of icebergs instead?

Excellent. You found the perfect example.

Hey, billy. Please refute HG's "proof".

After all, they make ice picks out of steel. Steel chops up ice, and ice never breaks the ice pick.

So of course, a big hunk of ice couldn't possibly have penetrated the hull of the Titanic.

When you're done, you can take your analysis & apply it to your "aluminum couldn't have penetrated the steel columns".

Perhaps a little light will penetrate that the black hole that is your brain.

Ahhhh, who am I shittin'. You're not the slightest bit interested in learning anything.

Once you're done NOT explaining it, I'll explain it again.

Prediction 1: You won't understand it.
Prediction 2: Terry will lie about what I'll say.
Prediction 3: Twoofers will claim that I am lying for (take you pick) Bush, Neocons, Illuminati
Prediction 4: Normal people, if they're willing to put in a little thought, will get it.

tk

[TristanM]

Terry wrote:

<quoted text>Was that for all the buildings or just those three?
Hope this aint true bush lovers.

Again folks, proof positive Terry is a liar amd supporter of liars.

Folk it's a known fact Silverstein didn't own the buildings, he was a lease holder paying the Port Authority a lease payment! And folks, Terry knows this!

Also folks it's a known fact that the lease agreement was signed in the summer of 2001, and that Silverstein had to get insurance. Also again folks Teryy knows this also!

[bill smith]

krizzee2 wrote:

http://incogman.wordpress.com/ 2009/02/16/whats-the-big-deal- about-the-holocaust/
All over the place nowadays, people are asking questions about the Holocaust and wondering why this subject is still so controversial after all this time. What is it now, 64 years? People are too scared to voice any doubts, since they&#8217;ve been programmed to think that anyone who does so must be evil and anti-Semitic. But when you think about it, sentiments like that should be quite separate from historical facts and never, ever subject to legal efforts

They can't put the Holocaust genie back in the bottle now that it has escaped. But I'm sure there's a 'plan B'. They've had over sixty years to prepare for this moment which they certainly knew would come at some point.Maybe they feel that e will all have too many worries of our own to bother about them.

[krizzee2]

bill smith wrote:

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When I was a kid I got curious about Hiitler. I could only find out that hewas a madman and a house painter and had only one ball- that was it. I couldn't see, even as a kid how somebody with so litte going for him managed to lmost take ove the world by force.Even then I could feel the indoctrination and the information starving.

Took me a lot longer than that Bill. It was David Icke that opened my eyes to what was going on, but even then I did not realise the depts of lies we have been told.

If they can lie about 6 million Jew being gased and carry the lie for 60 odd years. It just shows the control and power they have...