Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

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#279744 Aug 31, 2014
RADEKT wrote:
I can also dance on walls and ceilings <quoted text>
Just like Fred Astaire.

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#279745 Aug 31, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds.
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Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed [sic] in ten seconds".(That's the government's official number.
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http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.s...
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Uh Huh Eh !
More cherry-picked drivel. The huge chunks descended faster making you look very foolish indeed.

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#279746 Aug 31, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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So you are calling the 9/11 Commission Report a phony lie when it says 10seconds !?!?!?
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On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed [sic] in ten seconds".(That's the government's official number. Videos confirm that it was deverticalized unnaturally, if not precisely that, quickly. See for yourself:
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http://www.911blimp.net/videos/TooFast1stColl...
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But as we've just determined, that's free-fall time. That's close to the free-fall time in a vacuum, and an exceptionally rapid free-fall time through air.
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But the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower. Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.
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So which is it ratdick ?:
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Govie .....10 seconds
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Seismic signal ... 12 seconds
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9/11 Review ........15 seconds
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Who is lying ?
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Does 5 seconds either way really matter much ?
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How could any of the collapse times be correct when the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower that "should" have slowed the overall collapse ?
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Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. And despite what sorry charlie says there was lots of air in NYC on 9/11.
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Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the entire mass of the towers for 30 years.
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Uh Huh Eh !
Pointless.

The towers failed due to damage and intense heat. That's a fact.

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#279747 Aug 31, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
Yes, it was a conspiracy.
Indeed. Saudi Fundamentalists. If you haven't noticed, these idiots are still causing a good deal of suffering.

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#279748 Aug 31, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
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What about you standing at the ground, with mouth open to catch the vomit? What will happen to you?
Would your body integrate or disintegrate?
Like your 9/11 conspiracy, it would be a very unlikely event with one-million to one odds.

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#279749 Aug 31, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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More cherry-picked drivel. The huge chunks descended faster making you look very foolish indeed.
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The huge chunks descended faster than the smaller chunks.
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So how much faster than 10 seconds did the huge chunks take to descend ?
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What is your best guess sewerwater ? The more you post YOU look more and more foolish.
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So you are calling the 9/11 Commission Report a lie when it says 10seconds !?!?!?
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On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed [sic] in ten seconds".(That's the government's official number. Videos confirm that it was deverticalized unnaturally, if not precisely that, quickly. See for yourself:
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http://www.911blimp.net/videos/TooFast1stColl ...
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But as we've just determined, that's free-fall time. That's close to the free-fall time in a vacuum, and an exceptionally rapid free-fall time through air.
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But the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower. Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.
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So which is it ratdick ?:
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Govie .....10 seconds
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Seismic signal ... 12 seconds
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9/11 Review ........15 seconds
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Who is lying ?
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Does 5 seconds either way really matter much ?
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How could any of the collapse times be correct when the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower that "should" have slowed the overall collapse ?
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Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. And despite what sorry charlie says there was lots of air in NYC on 9/11.
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Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the entire mass of the towers for 30 years.
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Uh Huh Eh !

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#279750 Aug 31, 2014
WasteWater wrote:
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Pointless.
The towers failed due to damage and intense heat. That's a fact.
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The towers failed all the way to the ground in less than 10 seconds due to damage and intense heat. That's a fact.
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Do you agree sewerwater ? Or are you going to dodge this one cause you are wrong ?

The 9/11 Commission Report says so right on page 305

"On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed [sic] in ten seconds".(That's the government's official number. Videos confirm that it was deverticalized unnaturally, if not precisely that, quickly.
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http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.s...
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But as we've just determined, that's free-fall time. That's close to the free-fall time in a vacuum, and an exceptionally rapid free-fall time through air.
.
But the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower. Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.

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#279751 Aug 31, 2014
sewerwater you claim to have read the official 9/11 Commission Report . Did you just skip over page 305 where, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds.
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Here is the exact quote on page 305: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed [sic] in ten seconds".(That's the government's official number.)
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But you say now that huge chunks of the South Tower fell faster than that .
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So who is lying ?
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You or your precious 9/11 Commission Report .
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We know that the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower.
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Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air.
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Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.
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So are you really just lying ?
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I know you are lying sewerwater .
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You've got an agenda that prevents you from differentiating between the truth and an outright lie.
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You are a low life fuhking liar with a bias as big as your ass !
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Prove me wrong !
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Uh Huh Eh !
Pegasus

Arlington, VA

#279752 Aug 31, 2014
Looks like the socks are getting a good cleaning, Zip Zordick can only post portions of his delusions one sock at a time which greatly effects his mission of disinforming, misinforming, lieing.....but besides that he has to be at TACO BELL at noon to sling fake Mexican slop .
By the way Zordick you did the right thing removing that pic of you all chimp eared drinking rat piss as your homeys wear wigs so you could choose a date to have a little afternoon frolick with.
I see you're not daring folks to register anymore.

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#279753 Aug 31, 2014
Free-falling from WTC heights
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The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall. So let's start by using our trusty free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to free-fall from the towers' former height.
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Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared)
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or
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2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared)
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Time(squared)=(2 x Distance)/ Gravity
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Time(squared)= 2710 / 32 = 84.7
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Time = 9.2
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So our equation tells us that it will take 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' former height.
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Using our simpler equation, V = GT, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, in order to reach the ground in 9.2 seconds, the free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over 200 mph.
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But that can only occur in a vacuum.
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Since the WTC was at sea level, in Earth's atmosphere, you might be able to imagine how much air resistance that represents.(Think about putting your arm out the window of a car moving half that fast!) Most free-falling objects would reach their terminal velocity long before they reached 200 mph. For example, the commonly-accepted terminal velocity of a free-falling human is around 120 mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.(source)
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Therefore, air resistance alone will make it take longer than 10 seconds for gravity to pull an object to the ground from the towers' former height.
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So was the 9/11 Commission right when they said 10 seconds for the complete collapse of the South tower ?
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http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.s...
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Uh Huh Eh !

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#279754 Aug 31, 2014
Conclusions
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In order for the tower to have "collapsed" gravitationally, as we've been told over and over again, in the observed duration, one or more of the following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:
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The undamaged stories below the impact zone offered zero resistance to the collapse
The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure of energy
On 9/11, gravity was much stronger than gravity
On 9/11, energy was not conserved
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However, none of these physics-violating conditions can be accounted for by the official government conspiracy theory of 9/11, nor by any of the subsequent analyses designed to prop up the official theory of 9/11.
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Bottom line: the government/PBS/PM/SA explanation for the WTC "collapses" fails the most basic conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government/PBS/PM/SA theory does not fit the observed facts; the notion of a "pancake or piledriver collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake or piledriver collapse theory" explanation is impossible, and thus absurd.
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It is utterly impossible for a "gravitational collapse" to proceed so destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near free-fall times. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the observed WTC "collapses" can be blamed solely upon damages resulting from aerial or fire assaults: the unnaturally-brief durations of the highly destructive top-down "collapses" reveal that the towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they came down because something [else] was causing them to disintegrate.
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So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake or piledriver collapse" explanation, Gates' other premise, that people know what they saw, is also incorrect. It is left to the reader to decide if his conclusion, which was based upon two incorrect presumptions, is also flawed.
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The purported "gravitational collapse" (video) of World Trade Center building 7, which was hit by zero aircraft, and which also vertically collapsed in within a second of free-fall-time-in-a-vacuum later that same day, similarly fails this same conservation-of-energy analysis.
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The explanation for how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this basic reality check, is beyond the scope of this simple physics discussion.
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http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.s...
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Uh Huh Eh !

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#279755 Aug 31, 2014
Didn't you say that the 9/11 Commission Report was all wrong ???
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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The towers failed all the way to the ground in less than 10 seconds due to damage and intense heat. That's a fact.
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Do you agree sewerwater ? Or are you going to dodge this one cause you are wrong ?
The 9/11 Commission Report says so right on page 305
"On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower "collapsed" in 10 seconds. Here is the exact quote: "At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed [sic] in ten seconds".(That's the government's official number. Videos confirm that it was deverticalized unnaturally, if not precisely that, quickly.
.
http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.s...
.
But as we've just determined, that's free-fall time. That's close to the free-fall time in a vacuum, and an exceptionally rapid free-fall time through air.
.
But the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower stories of the tower. Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. Recall that those lower stories had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.

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#279756 Aug 31, 2014
sewerwater are you crying cause you got caught lying ?
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You lie - you will cry !?!?!?!?
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Oh Yeah ROFLMFAO Laughing Out Loud
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Uh Huh Eh !

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#279757 Aug 31, 2014
9/11 Commission Report

The mother of them all. The one people cite all the time, saying that surely a 'bi-partisan/neutral' Congressional Committee would have uncovered any 'conspiracy plot'.

This is an understandable theory and sentiment. But if we look at the record, we see that this Commission was a complete and utter whitewash.

This is a committee that Cheney and Bush vigorously fought from being formed for well over a year.

Why would the President and the Vice President resist the formation of a bi-partisan investigation into what is surely one of the gravest crimes committed against the United States?

Committees to investigate Pearl Harbor, Kennedy's assassination, the Challenger disaster, were all formed within one week of the event.

And yet Cheney and Bush fought hard to not investigate the events of 9/11 for more than a year. Why?

Even when the Committee was finally formed, it was absurdly under-funded and grossly mis-managed.

The 9/11 Commission received a paltry $15 million for their 'investigation'.

Compare that to the $40 million given to investigate Bill Clinton's oral sex escapade in the Oval Office 5 years earlier.

The Commission was headed by Thomas Kean, director of oil giant Amerada Hess, co-chairman of Homeland Security Project, and a man with strong business ties to Saudis Khalid bin Mahfouz.

Hardly a man likely to seriously challenge the Bush/Cheney (fellow oilmen) conclusions hammered into the public's consciousness over the previous year.

Moreover, the executive director of the Commission, and the man in charge of determining its use of funds, direction of inquiry, etc., was Philip Zelikow. This is a man who wrote a book with Condaleeza Rice on how to lie to persuade public opinion, now acts as one of her senior advisors, was a member of George W. Bush's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and a member of the Bush-Cheney transition team after their first election.

The conflicts of interest are glaringly obvious, and Philip Zelikow was hardly the man equipped for the hard-nosed, deliberate investigation 9/11 so deserved.

(For a quick general overview of the rest of the Commission and their inherent inability to do any kind of serious, probing investigation, see this link.
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http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commissio...
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http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_21.htm
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Uh Huh Eh !

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#279758 Aug 31, 2014
The National Institute of Standards and Technology was a government appointed agency charged with investigating the structural collapse of the World Trade Center.
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They have been touted as the group of engineers whose work and findings serve to wholly put to rest any notions of a 'conspiracy theory', positing that damage from the impact of the airplanes, and the subsequent fires, led to the scientifically explainable collapse of the Towers.
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To further this supposition, they first published a 10,000 page report, then a 250 page condensed version.
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All perhaps geared to look impressive and official from the outside looking in.
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But if and when a curious individual actually bothers to read these reports, they will find a 'scientific' investigation that is almost comical in its approach.
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Most crimes are investigated and solved by collecting evidence, pouring over said evidence, testing all available hypotheses, plugging evidence into said hypotheses, and working from the bottom up to create a sensible narrative and explanation of events.
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NIST did the exact opposite.
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Almost no evidence was collected.
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The steel beams, girders, joists, panels, columns, perimeter plates, flooring, sub-basement material, etc. was quickly gathered, transported to ship yards in and around NYC, cut up, and shipped off to Asia where it was sold for recycling.
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While some engineers were allowed to 'tour' the site at Ground Zero, virtually NO evidence was collected for the NIST investigation.
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http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_21.htm
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Uh Huh Eh !
Pegasus

Arlington, VA

#279759 Aug 31, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
sewerwater are you crying cause you got caught lying ?
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You lie - you will cry !?!?!?!?
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Oh Yeah ROFLMFAO Laughing Out Loud
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Uh Huh Eh !
Zordick you seem to suffer from a complex brought on by women.

Waste Water constantly emasculates you with your far fetched posts and she leaves you face planted everytime.

Oh and Zip drop the technical jargon ......you are as dumb as a stump,

If you were not so vain and arrogant you could drop the Dr. Zorderz dink and invent something where you might have a fighting chance......but you can't let go.......and that my fine fucked up friend is one of your weaknesses

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#279760 Aug 31, 2014
Is the 9/11 Commission Report
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Right ?
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Or
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Wrong ?
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That is the question .
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Uh Huh Eh !

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#279761 Aug 31, 2014
Was it
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Ten seconds ?
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Or
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Twelve seconds ?
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Or
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Fifteen seconds ?
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Or
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Less for the huge chunks ?
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Uh Huh Eh !

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#279762 Aug 31, 2014
RADEKT wrote:
Didn't you say that the 9/11 Commission Report was all wrong ???<quoted text>
Prove it ratdick !?!?!?!?
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Uh Huh Eh !
Pegasus

Paterson, NJ

#279763 Aug 31, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Prove it ratdick !?!?!?!?
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Uh Huh Eh !
The goading bit still isn't cutting the mustard hey Zordick?

Now this question is going to go up one side of you and down the other......where is your PROOF of a controlled demolition?

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