Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

Pegasus

Bronx, NY

#270122 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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1. Ad hominem
An attack upon an opponent in order to discredit their arguement or opinion. Ad hominems are used by immature and/or unintelligent people because they are unable to counter their opponent using logic and intelligence.
No one told you about this I guess.
Uh Huh Eh !
Dry up idiot......whats wrong you're fresh out of material in relation to 911 so now you move on to suckling the hind teat of another drummed up Truther made conspiracy about Sandy Hook.
Once again you dance a jig on the bodies of innocent victims because you know not any better in your psychotic and delusional fucked up mind.
But all the same you are a piece of shit.

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#270123 May 8, 2014
The Lack of Logic By NIST and Its 'Rationalist' Disciples

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/fa...

NIST does nothing here but offer logical fallacies, irrelevancies and complete nonsense.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>Did investigators consider the possibility that an explosion caused or contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

Yes, this possibility was investigated carefully. NIST concluded that blast events inside the building did not occur and found no evidence supporting the existence of a blast event.[/QUOTE]

This is nonsense. What evidence was examined that eliminated the possibility of a blast event? We know no physical evidence from Building 7 was examined by NIST, so what evidence is NIST talking about here? Computer simulations that can't be verified? In the absence of any explanation, it is mere bare assertion.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses.

According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.[/QUOTE]

An argument from incredulity based on calculations supposing conventional explosives were used, when the alternative hypothesis suggests a specialized explosive was used. This answer ignores thermate completely.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected.[/QUOTE]

Argument from incredulity, it is comparing a black op military operation to destroy a building to a commercial one.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes.[/QUOTE]

Argument from incredulity.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.[/QUOTE]

Again, so what if that's what usually happens? Argument from incredulity.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?[/QUOTE]

Is this an acknowledgement on the part of NIST that the best alternative hypothesis is worth exploring? If so, isn't testing for explosive residue necessary?

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#270124 May 8, 2014
[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that it was highly unlikely that it could have been used to sever columns in WTC 7 on Sept. 11, 2001.[/QUOTE]

In what way did NIST examine this possibility? Bare assertion.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails. Thermate also contains sulfur and sometimes barium nitrate, both of which increase the compound’s thermal effect, create flame in burning, and significantly reduce the ignition temperature.[/QUOTE]

Looks like we're heading for an argument from incredulity...

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb. of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place. This is for one column; presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.[/QUOTE]

Presumably?

Real world experiments show thermite can cut steel columns easily, and using far less thermite than NIST illogically assumed.

http://youtu.be/kscTVnEcPMk

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11, 2001, or during that day.[/QUOTE]

Ah, just unlikely. The argument from incredulity here is so persuasive.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated structural response to the fires[/QUOTE]

What demonstrated structural response to the fires? The fact that the building fell down? That would be begging the question of what caused the building to fall down.

Or is NIST is referring to its unverifiable computer simulations again?

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#270125 May 8, 2014
[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>NIST does not believe that thermite or thermate was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.[/QUOTE]

Bare assertion. Science that believes is nothing more than faith.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for interior partitions.
In view of the fact that this was supposed to have been a forensic investigation, this is burden shifting.[/QUOTE]

As anyone with a passing interest in chemistry knows, calcium sulphate (gypsum) does not release sulphur easily and certainly not under conditions such as office or rubble fires. If it did, of course, it would not be widely used inside buildings.

The presence of significant quantities of sulphur is important evidence that should not have been overlooked. Truly absurd explanations from other parties even include the suggestion it came from acid rain.

It is almost unbelievable that NIST should offer the obvious bunk that the sulphur came from gypsum as a serious suggestion. It is perhaps not so unbelievable that an organization like the BBC, which successfully conspired to protect a predatory pedophile for decades, should repeat this suggestion without questioning it.

[QUOTE who="NIST FAQ's"]<quoted text>What about claims that the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found metallic residues that are evidence of thermite in dust and air samples, respectively, taken from the WTC area after Sept. 11, 2001?

There has not been any conclusive evidence presented to indicate that highly reactive pyrotechnic material was present in the debris of WTC 7. The studies that have been conducted to document trace metals, organic compounds, and other materials in the dust and air from the vicinity of the WTC disaster have all suggested common sources for these items.[/QUOTE]

The circular logic of not looking, not checking. NIST waits to be 'presented' with information instead of seeking it. Shifts the burden to the critics, just like the logic-less people here, thats why

Insults Are Easier

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#270126 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah pigboy, you definitely learned all you needed to know in kindergarten.

Uh Huh Eh !
You're partially correct, I definitely surpassed your average twoofer in kindergarten. But then just kept going and still am learning today.

Oh elevator boy-sheep-DNA 20 pilots YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST STREET CORNER JEEBUS aka Mr. Gullible , too bad you can't say the same!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270127 May 8, 2014
Insults Are Easier wrote:
An argument from incredulity based on calculations supposing conventional explosives were used, when the alternative hypothesis suggests a specialized explosive was used. This answer ignores thermate completely.
YAWN!

14. Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?

NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that it was highly unlikely that it could have been used to sever columns in WTC 7 on Sept. 11, 2001.

Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails. Thermate also contains sulfur and sometimes barium nitrate, both of which increase the compound’s thermal effect, create flame in burning, and significantly reduce the ignition temperature.

To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb. of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place.

This is for one column; presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.

It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11, 2001, or during that day.

Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite or thermate was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.

For the building to have been prepared for intentional demolition, walls and/or column enclosures and fireproofing would have to be removed and replaced without being detected. Preparing a column includes steps such as cutting sections with torches, which produces noxious and odorous fumes. Intentional demolition usually requires applying explosive charges to most, if not all, interior columns, not just one or a limited set of columns in a building.

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/fa...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270130 May 8, 2014
Insults Are Easier wrote:
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As anyone with a passing interest in chemistry knows, calcium sulphate (gypsum) does not release sulphur easily and certainly not under conditions such as office or rubble fires. If it did, of course, it would not be widely used inside buildings.
Do you think it would be released from drywall when it was all crushed to dust on collapse or are you in full retard mode?

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#270131 May 8, 2014
"Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat"

Report on the
Analysis of Red/Gray Chips
in WTC Dust
Prepared for:
Classical Guide
Feb, 2012
Denver, CO
James R. Millette, Ph.D.
Executive Director
MVA Scientific Consultants
3300 Breckinridge Boulevard
Suite 400 Duluth, GA 30096

Conclusions
The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.
There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

DUUUUUUHHHHHH TWOOOOOOOOF
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270133 May 8, 2014
Insults Are Easier wrote:
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The presence of significant quantities of sulphur is important evidence that should not have been overlooked.
It is almost unbelievable that NIST should offer the obvious bunk that the sulphur came from gypsum as a serious suggestion.
So ti was overlooked but it was NOT, AMAZING, A LYING TWOOFER, THAT'S NEW!

See # 14 in link above.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270134 May 8, 2014
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
The presence of significant quantities of sulphur is important evidence that should not have been overlooked.

It is almost unbelievable that NIST should offer the obvious bunk that the sulphur came from gypsum as a serious suggestion.
So it was overlooked but the NIST addressed it?
Pegasus

East Hartford, CT

#270137 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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EEEWWW pony boy you are a tough guy hiding behind your keyboard!
FUHK YOU and the little pony you rode in on.
You must know somebody who loves internet tough guys who sling shit and threaten others on the internet. Why don't you two go skating together and have a brewski on me. LOL
Uh Huh Eh !
Awwwwww.......cry me a river scumbag.

You're a real man joking about children being murdered and sit their knowing all to well you would never have the seeds to say that to either a mother or father of those innocent kids.

You are a piece of shit.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270138 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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FUHK YOU and the little pony you rode in on.
Onemale covers that area, or his son. About the Pony, he says friendship is magic!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270139 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Show me where I said I believed it. Your hind tit butt buddy ratdick brought it up.
So you posted it with no commentary to the contrary because you did not believe it? You might want to be tested, it sounds like the warning sign of mental retardation.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270141 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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How many kids do You think were murdered at Sandy Hook ponyboy?
20 Children
6 Adults

“Smokin' Hot'n'Feelin' Groovy”

Since: Apr 12

Here, There, and Everywhere,..

#270143 May 8, 2014
Monica Lewdinksy Was A Conspiracy,...

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#270144 May 8, 2014
Crazy Jae wrote:
Monica Lewdinksy Was A Conspiracy,...
Monica was a smooth intern and a white house ride. But there was a few bumps in the amusement park, just ask willie .
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270145 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Believers in whatever the lying govie says. Did you get a link with that? Link or Lie little govie
Prove it is a lie, find the kids, ask the parents, are they all in on it too son of onemale.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270146 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Did you already give up your .25 automatic backup?
Crap gun, My backup is a Kahr Micro 40, my main is a highly tricked out USP 40, 18 rounds, night sights, match trigger.

Who the heck carries a 25 auto for backup. No real stopping power what so ever mini onemale.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#270147 May 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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child of ponyboy is that what they told you on the TV? Or did you read about it in National
Geographic?
Believers in whatever the lying govie says. Did you get a link with that? Link or Lie little govie Link or Lie. LOL
You seem like class act, call their parents and ask where their kids are minimale!

http://www.wptv.com/news/news-photo-gallery/s...
onemale

Charleston, IL

#270149 May 8, 2014
Pegasus wrote:
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Awwwwww.......cry me a river scumbag.
You're a real man joking about children being murdered and sit their knowing all to well you would never have the seeds to say that to either a mother or father of those innocent kids.
You are a piece of shit.
Since you like to preach the gospel and judge me/others:
25 Bible Verses about Judging Other People
http://www.openbible.info/topics/judging_othe...

Typical bwunker preaching about something he knows absolutely nothing about.
You are going against the gospel that you are preaching about.
How retarded is that???
Looks like you got your ass handed to ya again.
Don't quit your day job, you absolutely suck at this.

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