Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268618 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
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Oh crap Charlie boy loses again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._military_re...
How and still asking motherbanger!

Way over your head, once again mother banger, why should NORAD have broken their all time intercept record over North America on 9-11. AND THAT ONE WAS WITH A WORKING TRANSPONDER!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268619 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
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But NORAD had been training for that exact scenario, on and months before 9-11
Link or LIE!
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268620 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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The FAA does not intercept, but the question stands, Why would NORAD break their intercept record on 9-11.
Well they wouldn't given where they were scrambled from, and the low speeds at which they flew.
Here's an interesting article on the matter.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/n...

“the summer home in Cape Cod”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#268623 Apr 8, 2014
Hey SHIT for BRAINS, the day you sit in a ATC seat or at NORAD then you can talk .... you dont see us saying that you should be able to put the Slurpeee Machine together faster do you !?!?!?!??!
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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"everybody was at their battle station" and they STILL couldn't do their job. The single solitary thing they train for almost every day. Yet only on 9/11 the vast military might of the US went POOF.
There are no coincidences.
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Uh Huh Eh !
onemale

Charleston, IL

#268624 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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Link or LIE!
NORAD Had Drills Of Jets As Weapons:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washingto...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268625 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
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Well they wouldn't given where they were scrambled from,
According to the 9/11 Commission, Andrews had no available fighters on alert that morning..

"All the hijacked aircraft were in one of NORAD’s Continental U.S. sectors, the Northeast Air Defense Sector (also known as NEADS). NEADS is based in Rome, New York. On 9/11, it could call on two alert sites, each with one pair of ready fighters. These were the 2 Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cod, Massachusetts and Langley Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia".
9/11 Commission Staff Statement 17

Some sites say this is hard to believe, because it’s known that Andrews had “combat ready” fighters.

"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city".
http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/murder.html

However, the term "combat ready" does not mean "available to launch within minutes" on an emergency intercept. It's a more general term than that. For example, the 180th Fighter Wing page tells us that:

"The mission of the 112th Fighter Squadron is to provide combat ready aircrews capable of deploying anywhere in the world within 24 hours of notification".
http://www.ohtole.ang.af.mil/aboutus/OrgPage/...

Airman (the “magazine of America’s Air Force”) offers some confirmation that Andrews wasn’t always on alert, at least when this article was published back in December 1999:

The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall. The Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Homestead, alert birds also sit armed and ready at Tyndall; Langley AFB, Va.; Otis Air National Guard Base, Mass.; Portland International Airport, Ore.; March ARB, Calif.; and Ellington Field, Texas.
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm
onemale

Charleston, IL

#268626 Apr 8, 2014
9/11 Truth: NORAD Running 9/11 "Drills" ON and DURING 9/11

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washingto...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268627 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
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NORAD Had Drills Of Jets As Weapons:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washingto...
From your link, As I said, they never expected an attack to come from inside the US.

The exercises differed from the Sept. 11 attacks in one important respect: The planes in the simulation were coming from a foreign country.
Pegasus

New York, NY

#268628 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
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No reprimands for the worse failure in US history.
How did they so easily find and shoot down Iraqi jets in the Persian Gulf War???
Did the Iraqi jets have transponders so we could identify them???
They were enemy combatants zipperhead, NOT a passenger jet.....nice try.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268629 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
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, and the low speeds at which they flew.
Here's an interesting article on the matter.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/n...
9/11 Research provide some commonly-repeated math to prove this point.

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The first base to finally scramble interceptors was Otis in Falmouth, Massachusetts, at 8:52, about a half-hour after Flight 11 was taken over. This was already eight minutes after Flight 11 hit the North Tower, and just 9 minutes before Flight 175 hit the South Tower.

According to NORAD, at the time of the South Tower Impact the two F-15s from Otis were still 71 miles away. Otis is 153 miles east-northeast of the WTC. That means the F-15s were flying at:(153 miles - 71 miles)/(9:03 - 8:52)= 447 mph
That is around 23.8% of their top speed of 1875 mph.
At 9:11 the F-15s finally reached the World Trade Center. Their average speed for the trip was: 153/(9:11 - 8:52)= 483 mph
That is around 25.8% of their top speed.
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/n...

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THIS CALCULATION DOES NOT ACCURATELY REFLECT THE TIMES OR ACTIONS OF THE FIGHTERS AS CONCLUDED THE 9/11 COMMISSION, WHO HAVE THE FIGHTERS GOING OUT OVER THE SEA, STAYING IN A HOLDING PATTERN, THEN ARRIVING OVER THE SCENE AT 9:25 AM.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268630 Apr 8, 2014
It seems to us the real story lies in addressing those conflicting accounts, however as some people refer to the 911Research-type speed calculations then they’re also worth looking at. So let’s do just that.

The first problem with these figures is the misleading comparison with maximum speed. 1875 is the fighters top speed, yes, but only if you’re using full afterburner. The maximum level speed is actually 1650 mph, and normal cruising speed is far less at 570 mph ( http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/system... ).

Another complication is that fighters weren't supposed to fly at supersonic speeds (over around 760 miles per hour). The pilots heading for New York said they did beat this (without authorisation), but they were still a long way from the theoretical maximum.

03:56:39 LT COLONEL "DUFF", PILOT, AIR NATIONAL GUARD
As we're climbing out, we go supersonic on the way, which is kind of nonstandard for us. And, and Nasty even called me on the, radio and said, Duff, you're super. I said yeah, I know. You know, don't worry about it.

03:56:51 MAJOR "NASTY", PILOT AIR NATIONAL GUARD
I was kind of wondering why he going so fast. We really didn't have verbal authorization to go supersonic.

03:56:58 CHARLES GIBSON, ABC NEWS
(VO) The fighters are hurtling toward New York at mach 1.2, nearly 900 mile per hour. They are 153 miles from the World Trade Center.

03:57:08 LT COLONEL "DUFF", PILOT, AIR NATIONAL GUARD
I just wanted to get there quickly.

03:57:10 MAJOR "NASTY", PILOT AIR NATIONAL GUARD
We're going as fast as we could.
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/pentagon/at...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268631 Apr 8, 2014
“Nearly 900 miles per hour” is still much faster than illustrated by the 911Research calculations, but there are other reasons for that. As a basis for calculating fighter speeds, for instance, the 911Research article tells us that “Otis is 153 miles east-northeast of the WTC”(presumably based on the figure quoted in the Jennings interview above). The 9/11 Commission would later quote the same figure...

NEADS ordered to battle stations the two F-15 alert aircraft at Otis AirForce Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts, 153 miles away from New York City.
Page 20
911 Commission Report

...but note they refer more generically to “New York City”. We decided to check the actual distance from Otis to the WTC with Google Earth and came up with a very different figure of 189 miles.

Was this correct? We cross-checked by finding the latitude and longitude for Otis (41.66,-70.58, http://www.hometownlocator.com/City/Otis-Air-... ) and the WTC (40.69,-74.04, http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/top1001/w... ) then used a calculator ( http://www.movable-type.co.uk/scripts/LatLong... ) to come up with a distance of 309km (192 miles). The runways appear east of this Otis location, too, suggesting the real distance may actually be a mile or two further.

It seems the planes had further to fly than most people are allowing, then, and of course even this is a simple point-to-point distance. Is that necessarily what they’ll fly?
onemale

Charleston, IL

#268632 Apr 8, 2014
How many Links do you want Charlie boy???
Tjere's a lot more where these came from.
NORAD exercise had jet crashing into building

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/19/norad.exerci...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268633 Apr 8, 2014
Let’s put this together and see how the average speeds look now. Here’s the original calculation.

At 9:11 the F-15s finally reached the World Trade Center. Their average speed for the trip was: 153/(9:11 - 8:52)= 483 mph
That is around 25.8% of their top speed.

AS WE’VE SEEN, THE MINIMUM POINT TO POINT DISTANCE IS ACTUALLY 189 MILES, GIVING US A 596 MILES PER HOUR AVERAGE. THIS IS ALREADY ABOVE THE NORMAL CRUISING SPEED

The fighters would clearly have longer to fly, though. They may initially take off in a direction that’s not straight towards the target. They have to reach cruising altitude. They may vector around civilian aircraft, fly around their airspace rather than through it.

If, as a result of that, our 225 mile distance is more accurate than the average speed rises to 710 miles per hour. The real distance could easily be longer.

The flight time could easily be shorter, also boosting average speed (we’re taking the 8:52 time to be 8:52:00; later the 911 Commission said the fighters were in the air by 8:53. Small difference, but then we’re only talking about a 19 minute flight time overall: an 11.4 second error changes the average speed by 1%).

IN OUR VIEW, THERE ARE QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED OVER THE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS OF THE OTIS JOURNEY. THE MATH THAT SUGGESTS AVERAGE FIGHTER SPEEDS OF AROUND 25% OF THEIR MAXIMUM, HOWEVER, IS INACCURATE, MISLEADING, AND AN OVER-SIMPLISTIC DIVERSION FROM THE REAL ISSUES.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268634 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
9/11 Truth: NORAD Running 9/11 "Drills" ON and DURING 9/11
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washingto...
MOTHER BANGER SELF DEBUNKS AGAIN!

NO where in your link does it say they were ran ON 9-11.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washingto...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268635 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
How many Links do you want Charlie boy???
Tjere's a lot more where these came from.
NORAD exercise had jet crashing into building
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/19/norad.exerci...
Not from the US motherbanger and not on 9-11 self debunker, from your link!

They emphasize it involved an airliner being hijacked as it flew into U.S. airspace from abroad, a slightly different scenario from what happened on September 11, 2001.

Cold war model, we were looking out.
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268636 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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According to the 9/11 Commission, Andrews had no available fighters on alert that morning..
"All the hijacked aircraft were in one of NORAD’s Continental U.S. sectors, the Northeast Air Defense Sector (also known as NEADS). NEADS is based in Rome, New York. On 9/11, it could call on two alert sites, each with one pair of ready fighters. These were the 2 Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cod, Massachusetts and Langley Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia".
9/11 Commission Staff Statement 17
Some sites say this is hard to believe, because it’s known that Andrews had “combat ready” fighters.
"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city".
http://autarchic.tripod.com/files/murder.html
However, the term "combat ready" does not mean "available to launch within minutes" on an emergency intercept. It's a more general term than that. For example, the 180th Fighter Wing page tells us that:
"The mission of the 112th Fighter Squadron is to provide combat ready aircrews capable of deploying anywhere in the world within 24 hours of notification".
http://www.ohtole.ang.af.mil/aboutus/OrgPage/...
Airman (the “magazine of America’s Air Force”) offers some confirmation that Andrews wasn’t always on alert, at least when this article was published back in December 1999:
The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall. The Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Homestead, alert birds also sit armed and ready at Tyndall; Langley AFB, Va.; Otis Air National Guard Base, Mass.; Portland International Airport, Ore.; March ARB, Calif.; and Ellington Field, Texas.
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm
From your post...

"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city".

Says it all Charles.
Any way I've got things to do, maybe we'll talk later.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268638 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
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From your post...
"On 11 September there were two entire squadrons of combat-ready fighter jets at Andrews. Their job was to protect the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter tried to protect the city".
Says it all Charles.
Does it?
THE TERM "COMBAT READY" DOES NOT MEAN "AVAILABLE TO LAUNCH WITHIN MINUTES" ON AN EMERGENCY INTERCEPT. IT'S A MORE GENERAL TERM THAN THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE 180TH FIGHTER WING PAGE TELLS US THAT:

"THE MISSION OF THE 112TH FIGHTER SQUADRON IS TO PROVIDE COMBAT READY AIRCREWS CAPABLE OF DEPLOYING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WITHIN 24 HOURS OF NOTIFICATION".

http://www.ohtole.ang.af.mil/aboutus/OrgPage/...

Airman (the “magazine of America’s Air Force”) offers some confirmation that Andrews wasn’t always on alert, at least when this article was published back in December 1999:

The Air National Guard exclusively performs the air sovereignty mission in the continental United States, and those units fall under the control of the 1st Air Force based at Tyndall. The Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Homestead, alert birds also sit armed and ready at Tyndall; Langley AFB, Va.; Otis Air National Guard Base, Mass.; Portland International Airport, Ore.; March ARB, Calif.; and Ellington Field, Texas.
http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1299/home2.htm
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268639 Apr 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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And the real issues are that no matter what the distance or the direction or the speed, the defensive military might of the US on this particular day of 9/11 was totally ineffective in protecting the country from college age muslims allegedly armed with boxcutters who could not solo a Cessna.
And why again would NORAD break their intercept record over North America on 9-11, especially since the target of their record had a working transponder.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268641 Apr 8, 2014
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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Prove it!
LINK or are you Lying?
Uh Huh Eh !
Yawn.

http://www.911myths.com/html/payne_stewart.ht...

So why should NORAD be able to intercept a plane with a cut transponder faster?

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