Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

who

Basingstoke, UK

#268583 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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Sliney later left the FAA to practice law.
And what did the others do wrong onemale?
He was still in charge of the FAA on 911, and he still got promoted.
As for failings...see the above post.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268584 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
<quoted text>
He was still in charge of the FAA on 911, and he still got promoted.
As for failings...see the above post.
That was his first day, then he went to practice law.

SO WHAT DID THESE PEOPEL DO WRONG?
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268585 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
<quoted text>
Your entire defence apparatus failed on 911,
Any reason that interception times should have been faster on 9-11 then NORADs record over North America?

And do you intercept everything?

A reasonable approach is to extrapolate from the “likely takeover time”(the earliest time anyone would have known about the hijacking) until the point each plane reached its final target. Which gives us the following elapsed times: Flight 11 (8:14 to 8:47 - 33 minutes), Flight 175 (8:42 to 9:04 - 22 minutes), Flight 77 (8:51 to 9:38 - 47 minutes), Flight 93 (9:27 to 10:04 - 37 minutes). See http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Repor...

(Note that some will disagree with these times, in part because we’ve taken them from the 9/11 Commission Report. 911Research, for instance, say that Flight 77 went off course at 8:46 and so it could be argued that we should start the clock then. Look at the full facts and we’re being generous, though: the time we’re using corresponds with the last reported contact with the Flight 77 pilots, and the first suspect action after that, an unauthorised turn south, wasn’t noted until 8:54. It could just as well be argued that this is the first notification of a problem, meaning our timings provide 3 minutes more intercept time than was actually available).

In the Stewart case, as we’ve seen, there was a 10 minute gap between the initial problem being observed (ATC getting no radio response) and a decision being made that contact was lost. An intercept didn’t begin for another 24 minutes, and if planes were scrambled from the ground then that could have taken longer: fighters are typically on 15 minute alert, but we’ll be generous and say it took 5.

If this were repeated on 9/11, then that’s 39 minutes, plus the time it takes the plane to reach the target, before an intercept can occur. Which suggests there wasn’t enough time to reach Flight 11 and 175 before they hit the towers, and even intercepting Flight 77 would have been very difficult. The Stewart case simply doesn’t support the idea that the 9/11 flights should have been intercepted, then: in fact, quite the opposite.
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268586 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
That was his first day, then he went to practice law.
SO WHAT DID THESE PEOPEL DO WRONG?
What did they do right Charles?
Four planes were allegedly hijacked with three of them hitting there targets
What did anyone do right?
But In my humble opinion the blame for those failings goes a lot higher up the food chain.

Any way you asked who got promoted and I told you.....if you want to argue about it I'll refer you to my Onemale sock.

“9/11 Twoof = STUPID ”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#268587 Apr 8, 2014
What's funny is when you start looking into things you reealize that Who is another Twoofer who is full of SHIT ..... all he has is smoke and mirrors

Ben Sliney, who was the (FAA) National Operations Manager on 9/11 he ordered every plane in the air over the U.S. at the time to land and shut down US airspace. Sliney took a step down and became Operations Manager at New York TRACON. He retired in 2006 to beome a lawyer

Richard Myers was NOT in charge of the Pentagon on 9/11 he was the acting chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) during the September 11th, 2001, terror attacks because CJCS Shelton was en route to Europe. He was on Capital Hill when the Pentagon was attacked. He became Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Oct 2001 and retired in 2005. His rank on 9/11 was General, his rank when he retired was General

Ralph Eberhart was actualy demoted after 9/11 going from Commander in Chief to Commander of NORAD and USNORTHCOM

Steven Abbot ~ Actually, his name is Admiral Charles Abbot. And here are the actual facts regarding his involvement with 9/11:

May of 2001, Mr. Bush asked Vice President Cheney to prepare a report on preparedness for attacks by unconventional weapons by the first of October. In late June, the vice president assigned the admiral Charles Abbott to spearhead that effort. First of September, the vice president hired Colonel John Fenzel as staff direct. There was still no staff by that point. And Admiral Abbott did not receive his White House security pass until September 10, 2001.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268588 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
<quoted text>
What did they do right Charles?
Well, Ben grounded the all Air traffic on his own. As far as the rest, people should be punished when you can't point out wrongdoing?
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268589 Apr 8, 2014
RADEKT wrote:
What's funny is when you start looking into things you reealize that Who is another Twoofer who is full of SHIT ..... all he has is smoke and mirrors
Ben Sliney, who was the (FAA) National Operations Manager on 9/11 he ordered every plane in the air over the U.S. at the time to land and shut down US airspace. Sliney took a step down and became Operations Manager at New York TRACON. He retired in 2006 to beome a lawyer
Richard Myers was NOT in charge of the Pentagon on 9/11 he was the acting chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) during the September 11th, 2001, terror attacks because CJCS Shelton was en route to Europe. He was on Capital Hill when the Pentagon was attacked. He became Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Oct 2001 and retired in 2005. His rank on 9/11 was General, his rank when he retired was General
Ralph Eberhart was actualy demoted after 9/11 going from Commander in Chief to Commander of NORAD and USNORTHCOM
Steven Abbot ~ Actually, his name is Admiral Charles Abbot. And here are the actual facts regarding his involvement with 9/11:
May of 2001, Mr. Bush asked Vice President Cheney to prepare a report on preparedness for attacks by unconventional weapons by the first of October. In late June, the vice president assigned the admiral Charles Abbott to spearhead that effort. First of September, the vice president hired Colonel John Fenzel as staff direct. There was still no staff by that point. And Admiral Abbott did not receive his White House security pass until September 10, 2001.
Post the link Radish and I'll cross check it.....maybe my source is bogus.
Fact remains that your entire defence infrastructure failed, mostly to do with confusion regarding the drills taking place that day to do with hijacked aircraft.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268591 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
<quoted text>
Post the link Radish and I'll cross check it.....maybe my source is bogus.
Fact remains that your entire defence infrastructure failed, mostly to do with confusion regarding the drills taking place that day to do with hijacked aircraft.
False, And one again Why would NORAD over North America be faster on 9-11 than their record.

EVERYTHING IS GOING AS PLANNED WHEN CAPT. MIKE JELLINEK ARRIVES FOR HIS 6 A.M. SHIFT. The Canadian will be overseeing the crew staffing a crucial post inside the mountain- NORAD's command centre.

Whether it's a simulation or a real-world event, the role of the centre is to fuse every critical piece of information NORAD has into a concise and crystalline snapshot.

AN HOUR INTO HIS SHIFT, SOMETHING UNSCRIPTED HAPPENS. NORAD's Northeast Air Defence Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, N.Y., contacts the mountain.

THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION HAS EVIDENCE OF A HIJACKING AND IS ASKING FOR NORAD SUPPORT. THIS IS NOT PART OF THE EXERCISE.

IN A FLASH, Operation Northern Vigilance is called off. ANY SIMULATED INFORMATION, WHAT'S KNOWN AS AN "INJECT," IS PURGED FROM THE SCREENS.

Someone shouted to look at the monitor displaying CNN.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070220013438/htt...

“9/11 Twoof = STUPID ”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#268592 Apr 8, 2014
ABSOLUTELY NOT ....... as soon as people realized there was a real world hijacking ALL the exercise were canceled …. Of course you realize that having exercises meant everybody was at their battle station .... You want links just check out the Wiki pages
who wrote:
<quoted text>
Post the link Radish and I'll cross check it.....maybe my source is bogus.
Fact remains that your entire defence infrastructure failed, mostly to do with confusion regarding the drills taking place that day to do with hijacked aircraft.
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268593 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, Ben grounded the all Air traffic on his own. As far as the rest, people should be punished when you can't point out wrongdoing?
Yes he did that but the fact remains that everything failed that day, and no one was reprimanded.
19 muppets with box cutter vs your entire your multi billion dollar defence and security apparatus.
Maybe I'm wrong about 911 and your security personnel are just incompetent idiots.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268594 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
<quoted text>
Fact remains that your entire defence infrastructure failed, mostly to do with confusion regarding the drills taking place that day to do with hijacked aircraft.
8:21 a.m.
American Airlines Flight 11's transponder signal is turned off but the plane remains on radar screens.

8:25 a.m.
In accordance with federal aviation protocol, Boston Center traffic control managers started notifying their chain of command that American 11 had been hijacked.

THE 9 MINUTE STANDDOWN?

8:37 a.m.
The Northeast American Defense Sector (NEADS) of the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) is notified of the hijacking of American Airlines Flight 11 by the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration's (FAA) Boston Center Control. The controller requests military help to intercept the aircraft.

8:46 a.m.
F-15 fighter jets are dispatched from Otis Air Force Base in Mass., but because Flight 11's transponder is off, Air Force pilots do not know which direction to travel to meet the plane. NEADS personnel spend the next several minutes watching their radar scopes waiting for Flight 11 to reappear.
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268595 Apr 8, 2014
RADEKT wrote:
ABSOLUTELY NOT ....... as soon as people realized there was a real world hijacking ALL the exercise were canceled …. Of course you realize that having exercises meant everybody was at their battle station .... You want links just check out the Wiki pages
<quoted text>
Wikipedia?
Oh ok.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268596 Apr 8, 2014
who wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes he did that but the fact remains that everything failed that day, and no one was reprimanded.
19 muppets with box cutter vs your entire your multi billion dollar defence and security apparatus.
Maybe I'm wrong about 911 and your security personnel are just incompetent idiots.
Actually we were still in a cold war model looking out, never expecting an air attack to originate from inside the US. Pre 9-11 do explain why the above is "incompetence".

That's not failure, especially since it was unprecedented, before 9-11 commercial airliners were never used as weapons, anywhere.
onemale

Charleston, IL

#268597 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Any reason that interception times should have been faster on 9-11 then NORADs record over North America?
And do you intercept everything?
A reasonable approach is to extrapolate from the “likely takeover time”(the earliest time anyone would have known about the hijacking) until the point each plane reached its final target. Which gives us the following elapsed times: Flight 11 (8:14 to 8:47 - 33 minutes), Flight 175 (8:42 to 9:04 - 22 minutes), Flight 77 (8:51 to 9:38 - 47 minutes), Flight 93 (9:27 to 10:04 - 37 minutes). See http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Repor...
(Note that some will disagree with these times, in part because we’ve taken them from the 9/11 Commission Report. 911Research, for instance, say that Flight 77 went off course at 8:46 and so it could be argued that we should start the clock then. Look at the full facts and we’re being generous, though: the time we’re using corresponds with the last reported contact with the Flight 77 pilots, and the first suspect action after that, an unauthorised turn south, wasn’t noted until 8:54. It could just as well be argued that this is the first notification of a problem, meaning our timings provide 3 minutes more intercept time than was actually available).
In the Stewart case, as we’ve seen, there was a 10 minute gap between the initial problem being observed (ATC getting no radio response) and a decision being made that contact was lost. An intercept didn’t begin for another 24 minutes, and if planes were scrambled from the ground then that could have taken longer: fighters are typically on 15 minute alert, but we’ll be generous and say it took 5.
If this were repeated on 9/11, then that’s 39 minutes, plus the time it takes the plane to reach the target, before an intercept can occur. Which suggests there wasn’t enough time to reach Flight 11 and 175 before they hit the towers, and even intercepting Flight 77 would have been very difficult. The Stewart case simply doesn’t support the idea that the 9/11 flights should have been intercepted, then: in fact, quite the opposite.
But they had 90 minutes for the Pentagon???
And there were two airfields just few minutes away, so why were the fighter jets sent the opposite direction???

.

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#268598 Apr 8, 2014
Porkpie Hat wrote:
Stand down order eh?

So since the twoof cultists keep making this claim and it's made based on Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 commission, then how do they explain the disconnect?

Oh right, they don't need to since twoofers never verify anything they regurgitate.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
Anti-truth: Twoofer's base their entire belief of a stand-down on one mans testimony.

Truth: People base their stand-down theory on a plethora of factual circumstances, you Hobbit.

This is how fanatics who push a fanatical belief system operate, they misrepresent a position so they can create a dishonest argument against it.

This is why

Insults Are Easier
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268599 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually we were still in a cold war model looking out, never expecting an air attack to originate from inside the US. Pre 9-11 do explain why the above is "incompetence".
That's not failure, especially since it was unprecedented, before 9-11 commercial airliners were never used as weapons, anywhere.
Well look Charles, the official story is just silly.
We are led to believe that 19 muppets with box cutters successfully evaded a multi billion dollar defence establishment including NORAD, standard FAA intercept procedures, US airbases, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, international intelligence agencies and more, without any significant or effective resistance.
Put that together with all the other holes in the official account and you can understand why I might be a tad sceptical.
but you go ahead and believe what you like....Can't say I really care.
onemale

Charleston, IL

#268600 Apr 8, 2014
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually we were still in a cold war model looking out, never expecting an air attack to originate from inside the US. Pre 9-11 do explain why the above is "incompetence".
That's not failure, especially since it was unprecedented, before 9-11 commercial airliners were never used as weapons, anywhere.
But NORAD had been training for that exact scenario, on and months before 9-11
onemale

Charleston, IL

#268601 Apr 8, 2014
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
Anti-truth: Twoofer's base their entire belief of a stand-down on one mans testimony.
Truth: People base their stand-down theory on a plethora of factual circumstances, you Hobbit.
This is how fanatics who push a fanatical belief system operate, they misrepresent a position so they can create a dishonest argument against it.
This is why
Insults Are Easier
As always... I enjoy your Brilliant posts
You simply say it as it is.
who

Basingstoke, UK

#268602 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
But NORAD had been training for that exact scenario, on and months before 9-11
Good point.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#268603 Apr 8, 2014
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
But they had 90 minutes for the Pentagon???
And there were two airfields just few minutes away, so why were the fighter jets sent the opposite direction???
.
You sure mother diddler and where are those pix's!

At 08:54, the plane began to deviate from its normal, assigned flight path and turned south.[20] The hijackers set the flight's autopilot heading for Washington, D.C.[26] By 08:56, the flight was turned around, and the transponder had been disabled.

9:24: The FAA notifies NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector about the suspected hijacking of Flight 77. The FAA and NORAD establish an open line to discuss Flight 77, and shortly thereafter Flight 93.

9:35: Based on a report that Flight 77 had turned again and was circling back toward the District of Columbia, the Secret Service orders the immediate evacuation of the Vice President from the White House.

9:37:46: Flight 77 crashes into the western side of the Pentagon at 530 mph (853 km/h, 237 m/s, or 460 knots) and starts a violent fire. The section of the Pentagon hit consists mainly of newly renovated, unoccupied offices. All 64 people on board are killed, as are 125 Pentagon personnel.

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