Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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Phil Zel

Portsmouth, VA

#263280 Dec 7, 2013
If we can get people to see that the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report got his Ph.D. in PUBLIC MYTHS and actually had his hand in scripting the 9/11 event itself in 1998, they might be more receptive to the idea that the official story of 9/11 should be revisited.

The other problem is getting them to look again at an unhappy event. Don't show them the unhappy pictures or the long videos of planes crashing into the WTC Towers or of the Towers collapsing. Instead show them short videos of what the first reporters said immediately after the explosions at the Pentagon and at Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

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and

(2) http://www.youtube.com/watch...

On September 11, 2001, the immediate reports on the ground told the truth. I think most people can see that it was later that the myth-makers retold the myth the way Zelikow scripted it to be remembered. This may be 2007, but when we consider the power of mythology the psychology of the average man hasn't changed in 4000 years. And when everyone in the political community believes the same myth, it becomes a parallel reality. With TV reinforcing the 9/11 myth every single day, it has become stronger than any belief system that I can remember, but we must explore ways to challenge it.
Phil Zel

Portsmouth, VA

#263281 Dec 7, 2013
Philip D. Zelikow: The Myth Maker Behind 9/11 And The War on Terror

http://www.opednews.com/Diary/Philip-D-Zeliko...

Authoritarian regimes could not exist without official historians, government gatekeepers, and political myth-makers whose job is to construct and control the public's beliefs about their government's actions, and make people view history through the eyes of tyrants and believe the narrative of power. America's authoritarian regime relies on what can be called a modern priest class who tell lies for the state for a living and have considerable influence on how people understand significant world events in American history like a major war or a terrorist attack on the scale of 9/11. One of the high-priest members of America's class of official historians is Philip D. Zelikow, an academic and author who served as the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission.

Zelikow's main area of expertise is in the field of public policy, particularly in the framing of history to serve state policy and the formation of public myths, or "public presumptions." From Wikipedia:
While at Harvard, he worked with Ernest May and Richard Neustadt on the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. They observed, as Zelikow noted in his own words, that "contemporary" history is "defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public's presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to William McNeill's notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.' Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community."
Phil Zel

Portsmouth, VA

#263282 Dec 7, 2013
Zelikow says that history's narrative power can affect how people engage with the world and how they relate to "the actions of individuals in the history." As far as Zelikow and the National Security Regime in America are concerned, it is better that the American people view 9/11 as an attack by a radical Muslim terrorist group than to know the truth - that 9/11 was the result of a government conspiracy at the highest levels of the Bush administration, the United States government, and the Israeli government.

Zelikow combined his knowledge of public mythology with his knowledge of the so-called threat of terrorism. In 1998, Zelikow co-authored a report with Ashton B. Carter and John M. Deutch called "Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy," which argued that America's national security was at greater risk after the fall of the Soviet Union than before, and laid out a strategy of deterrence and preventive defense. They wrote: "We are not as confident that the United States government is suitably prepared to address the new threat of catastrophic terrorism that utilizes weapons of mass destruction or intensive cyber-assault." A new world brought with it new enemies to America, the report stated. America's conventional military had to be remodeled to meet the new threat of catastrophic terrorism, which threatens public security on the largest and most unconventional of battlefields - society. But they left out an essential truth about terrorism in the report, and that is that the American empire is the biggest agent and sponsor of terrorism in the world. Only a terrorist state can be threatened with terrorism.

In retrospect, the "Catastrophic Terrorism" report was less a warning than a blueprint. The authors pondered the implications of a terrorist attack in America, saying that such an event would mark a "before" and an "after" and give the government greater powers to protect the citizenry from similar attacks. Zelikow, Carter, and Deutch wrote:
Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because the most serious constraint on current policy is lack of imagination. An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse. Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible. Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after." The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after." Our leaders will be judged negligent for not addressing catastrophic terrorism more urgently.

Using imagination, we hope now to find some of the political will that we know would be there later, "after," because this nation prefers prevention to funereal reconstruction. When this threat becomes clear the President must be in a position to activate extraordinary capabilities.
Phil Zel

Portsmouth, VA

#263283 Dec 7, 2013
The government conspirators who committed 9/11 attacks most likely read this report, and Zelikow himself must have been pleased when he was selected to be the Director of the 9/11 commission.

The job of Zelikow and other like-minded opportunists is to cover up treasonous and criminal events and whitewash history. He was chosen to be the Director of 9/11 Commission by the Bush administration because of his Machiavellian abilities to preserve official myths, and formulate rationales for criminal state policies and procedures.

Another interesting bit of information is that Zelikow had close ties with the first Bush administration as well as with a key member of the second Bush administration, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. The two published a book in 1997 called "Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft." Zelikow has also co-authored a book with World Bank President Robert Zoellick on America and East Asia, and ironically, he edited a book called "Why People Don't Trust Government."

You don't need a book to answer the question of why people don't trust government, all it takes is four words: because the government lies. And it also outsources its lying to individuals like Zelikow. To borrow a phrase from English essayist William Hazlitt, Zelikow is an intellectual pimp of power. Washington's treasonous National Security Regime pays academic whores like Zelikow to give their lies and crimes a rationale, and justify the murder of innocents. Such people regard the separation between politics and morality as a natural thing. Killing innocent human beings to serve a greater agenda is an essential part of "statecraft." So is covering up history and replacing historical truths with political myths.

In March 2000 Zelikow wrote a review of the book " Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor," by author and WWII veteran Robert Stinnett. The book successfully makes the case that the FDR administration had foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack, discrediting the official story that was used to draw America into World War II. Zelikow defended the official lie in his review, a pattern that can be seen throughout his career. His main purpose is to suppress real history and maintain the elitist narrative of politics and world events in the modern world, from WWII to the war against Communism to the 9/11 attacks and the war on terrorism.

Five years ago, the writer of Washington's Blog stated that "Zelikow is arguably the single most responsible person in covering up the truth about 9/11." From Washington's Blog article called "The Myth Maker":
We all know that he controlled what the Commission did and did not analyze, then limited the scope of the Commission's inquiry so that the overwhelming majority of questions about 9/11 remained unasked (see this article and this article). Zelikow is arguably the single most responsible person in covering up the truth about 9/11.
Phil Zel

Portsmouth, VA

#263284 Dec 7, 2013
In 2004, author and former CIA and State Department analyst Melvin Goodman told Democracy Now's Amy Goodman that Zelikow was paid by the CIA to whitewash the Agency's history, and that he has served as a mouthpiece for numerous administrations. Democracy Now, April 29, 2004:
AMY GOODMAN: Why did they roll over, and what is the role of Phillip Zelikow, the director of the 9-11 commission? We have reported in the past that he is the co-author of a book with Condoleezza Rice. So, they clearly are colleagues and are close.

MEL GOODMAN: Well, he has ties to the first George Bush administration from 1989 to 1992. He has a very close working relationship, professional relationship with Condi Rice. He headed a case study project at Harvard and took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the CIA. He used CIA documentation and produced case studies that exonerated the CIA from any charges of politicization of intelligence, particularly with regard to the Soviet Union. He has generally been an administration voice in all of the matters that he has dealt with, whether they are Democratic or Republican administrations.
The proof of that Zelikow is guilty of covering up the 9/11 attacks, and manipulating the American people is inescapable. He is one of the most corrupt members of Washington's powerful and secretive establishment, a traitor of humanity, and a war criminal.

The official myth about 9/11 has so far determined the course of human history, and transformed America into a despotic country, while the victims' truth has been denigrated and treated as a crazy conspiracy theory by the official press, and large segments of society. But the myth won't prevail forever. The criminal war on terrorism won't last a century. Truth cannot be suppressed. History cannot be erased. Freedom cannot be crushed to pieces. If kings can be guillotined, then so can presidents.

Zelikow and the rest of the traitors who committed 9/11 and covered it up won't get away with their crimes. Judgment day is coming to Washington D.C.

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#263285 Dec 7, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
And once again you prove you have zero concept of physics.
Statics and dynamics...how the fk does it work eh!
He answered his question here
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
onemale wrote:
9/11 Physics 101 - Newton vs. NIST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =z-cByMfgSUAXX

But when you ask about Statics and dynamics in the video he goes into ignore mode.

Also the youtube twoofer will delete any such comments about this in the video
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#263286 Dec 7, 2013
From The Guardian:
FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11.
US intelligence agencies have come under criticism for their wholesale failure to predict the catastrophe at the World Trade Centre. But some are complaining that their hands were tied.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/07/...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#263287 Dec 7, 2013
onemale wrote:
From The Guardian:
FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11.
US intelligence agencies have come under criticism for their wholesale failure to predict the catastrophe at the World Trade Centre. But some are complaining that their hands were tied.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/07/...
Yea, But you take this serious DIDDLER!
onemale wrote:
George Bush Face On $20 Bill Watermark
After using a new $20 Bill as a bookmark in a bible book overnight the President Jackson watermark changed into President Bush's face with a devil horn in his forehead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2TBzAJGNKOgXX
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#263288 Dec 7, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
Link or lie?
We later reported on the list of hijackers, thereby superseding the earlier report. In the intervening years we have also reported in detail on the investigation into the attacks, the 9/11 commission and its report.

We’ve carried the full report, executive summary and main findings and, as part of the recent fifth anniversary coverage, a detailed guide to what’s known about what happened on the day. But conspiracy theories have persisted. The confusion over names and identities we reported back in 2001 may have arisen because these were common Arabic and Islamic names.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10...

-----

YOUR TURN DIDDLER!

onemale wrote:
<quoted text> 6 weeks later Mohamed Atta stood up and was alive in front of cameras at a Saudi Arabia television station!!
Link or LIE?
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#263289 Dec 7, 2013
Phil Zel wrote:
Rape Story - Phillip D. Zelikow...
911 Myth Maker
http://www.rense.com/general78/rapestory.htm
The Junk mail is here!
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#263290 Dec 7, 2013
Big Banks Busted for Market Rigging
JP Morgan & Friends Fined $2.3 Billion

http://www.independentlivingbullion.com/hot-t...



Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#263291 Dec 7, 2013
onemale wrote:
From The Guardian:
Centre. But some are complaining that their hands were tied.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/nov/07/...
I like this one from the same rag!

9/11 conspiracy theories debunked

For the past 10 years 'truthers' have claimed 9/11 was part of a bigger conspiracy – but does the evidence stack up?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/05/...
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#263292 Dec 7, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Dismiss with derision all ye who post on these pages.
Huh Eh !
I have to question does anyone take Charlie Boy and his clan seriously anymore?
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#263293 Dec 7, 2013
onemale wrote:
Big Banks Busted for Market Rigging
JP Morgan & Friends Fined $2.3 Billion
http://www.independentlivingbullion.com/hot-t...
Quick question DIDDLER!

onemale wrote:
<quoted text> 6 weeks later Mohamed Atta stood up and was alive in front of cameras at a Saudi Arabia television station!!
Link or LIE?
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#263294 Dec 7, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to question does anyone take Charlie Boy and his clan seriously anymore?
LMFAO, FEMA CAMP DIDDLER.....
onemale wrote:
George Bush Face On $20 Bill Watermark
After using a new $20 Bill as a bookmark in a bible book overnight the President Jackson watermark changed into President Bush's face with a devil horn in his forehead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =2TBzAJGNKOgXX
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04...

What's it like to be batsh#t insane?
Pegasus

United States

#263295 Dec 7, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to question does anyone take Charlie Boy and his clan seriously anymore?
Heres a little newsflash for you skindogs......yeah.....you and Zorderz, all you deviants do is provide hours upon hours, day in...day out, monthly....yearly,.....beyond one decade......of 100% comic relief.

Also if you notice you clowns and your ring leader Alex Jones have not made one microscopic scratch in the official story and that little mommy banging fiend is THAT.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#263296 Dec 7, 2013
Phil Zel

I have posted a couple of times about Phillip Zelikow.

As you might have noticed by now, what you posted is long and a little tedious to read and is now buried under this page.

But very true and a great treatise on one of the govies many nefarious masterminds and probably one of the architects of 9/11.

I agree with you about this person.

But other than some unwitting stray internet user stumbling by and giving it a glance, it will make no difference to the dimwitted sheeple who inhabit this site 24/7 mocking and ridiculing posters like you and I and a few others who simply question the govies official story about 9/11.

We are not the sheeple. We stand up and say "what" "why" "how" "who" "when" and don't just take the lying govies word for it like the debwunkers who roam these pages looking for someone to insult for insults sake.

Great series of posts. For what its worth, Thanks

Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#263297 Dec 7, 2013
Pegasus wrote:
<quoted text>Heres a little newsflash for you skindogs......yeah.....you and Zorderz, all you deviants do is provide hours upon hours, day in...day out, monthly....yearly,.....beyond one decade......of 100% comic relief.
Also if you notice you clowns and your ring leader Alex Jones have not made one microscopic scratch in the official story and that little mommy banging fiend is THAT.
You must be pretty hard up for something to do. Good to see that we get under your skin so bad you have to insult somebody.

Well FUHK YOU and the miniature horse you rode in on.

BTW who's Alex Jones?

Huh eh !

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#263298 Dec 7, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
The story I got, he leased the WTC complex for $15 million dollars, so no matter what the total sum was he made a tidy gain.
Your story fails to add up. You have no economic background in these matters.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#263299 Dec 7, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>And once again you prove that you are nothing but an anti-American,
Fuhking Azzhole with an agenda of insults and ridicule, attempting to derail any serious discussion of the tragic events of 9/11.

You are simply a pimple on the prick of progress pig boy!

Huh Eh !
Correction oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST STREET CORNER JEEBUS, I'm anti-idiot which is why you and I don't get along.

YW!

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