Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#262604 Nov 21, 2013
And don't forget to watch "Ancient Aliens" too, if it's on tv or yourube...it must be true!

“Truth is unthinkable.”

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#262605 Nov 21, 2013
Rick not in Kansas yet wrote:
<quoted text>So, the documentary has absolutely nothing in the way of "new and material evidence and analysis", just six people who were part of the original investigation and now on a bad publicity stunt, parroting the same refuted theory and conjecture that we've heard since this happened. I feel so sorry for those of you on the hunt for the next evil conspiracy, you get let down so badly by those on your side so often. You get prominent members of the investigation to say they agree with you, but evidently they brought nothing but their soon to be doomed reputations with them and nothing else and certainly nothing new.
Queeny, you completely misunderstand the point of this thread and truth in general. The point of truth is not to convince people like you, Charlie/WasteWater, or Dudley, that truth is correct because that would be impossible; its actually to convince people who can think, to think and influence others to make our nation better. We just use your naive ignorance as a contrast and a direction for debate - and if you didn't exist, we'd have to make you up...

NTSB investigators were told not to speak at public hearings regarding TWA Flight 800, and they didn't in fear of their careers - they had to wait until they retired to do it and some now have.

Witnesses were not allowed to speak at public hearings at all, and have come out since, some were even threatened with not receiving their citizenship unless the parroted the official cover up.

The radar data clearly shows an outside blast event causing the aircraft to break apart at supersonic speeds, explosive residue was found on the wings, the center fuel tank had a nitrate splatter pattern on it before it burst as confirmed by NASA at the time and discovered by the participants in this newTWA: Flight 800 documentary. So there are many new things in this presentation that you will miss with your eyes closed shut.

This isn't about every NTSB and FBI investigator being in on it, this is about compartmentalization being controlled at the top, as it generally is in all official cover-ups. You will never see a cover up revealed in which all participants admit it, if thats what you are naively looking for.

Boeing has large government contracts and will not jeopardize them to disagree with a single aircraft disaster when it is told to do so for national security.

Witnesses are always unreliable unless they agree with the official narrative. You don't see studies being promoted that claim witnesses are unreliable when they use witnesses to confirm a commercial aircraft struck the Pentagon, but you will see witnesses being disparaged when they disagree - thats the double think that sad individuals like yourself and every disinfo agent and naive person here employs.

So Queeny, in the end, truth doesn't want to convince catchers of anything, we want pitchers, so you're out like a traveling queen with a password issue.

Insults Are Easier
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#262606 Nov 21, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
Queeny, you completely misunderstand the point of this thread and truth in general. The point of truth is not to convince people like you, Charlie/WasteWater, or Dudley, that truth is correct because that would be impossible; its actually to convince people who can think, to think and influence others to make our nation better. We just use your naive ignorance as a contrast and a direction for debate - and if you didn't exist, we'd have to make you up...
Cupcake, the reality you are failing to grasp is that I am a thinking person. I listen to all sides of a debate before forming a conclusion based on the actual facts. Your inability to convince me that you have anything of substance to offer should tell you something. There is no there there where you are.
Insults Are Easier wrote:
NTSB investigators were told not to speak at public hearings regarding TWA Flight 800, and they didn't in fear of their careers - they had to wait until they retired to do it and some now have.
Witnesses were not allowed to speak at public hearings at all, and have come out since, some were even threatened with not receiving their citizenship unless the parroted the official cover up.
The radar data clearly shows an outside blast event causing the aircraft to break apart at supersonic speeds, explosive residue was found on the wings, the center fuel tank had a nitrate splatter pattern on it before it burst as confirmed by NASA at the time and discovered by the participants in this newTWA: Flight 800 documentary. So there are many new things in this presentation that you will miss with your eyes closed shut.
This isn't about every NTSB and FBI investigator being in on it, this is about compartmentalization being controlled at the top, as it generally is in all official cover-ups. You will never see a cover up revealed in which all participants admit it, if thats what you are naively looking for.
Boeing has large government contracts and will not jeopardize them to disagree with a single aircraft disaster when it is told to do so for national security.
Witnesses are always unreliable unless they agree with the official narrative. You don't see studies being promoted that claim witnesses are unreliable when they use witnesses to confirm a commercial aircraft struck the Pentagon, but you will see witnesses being disparaged when they disagree - thats the double think that sad individuals like yourself and every disinfo agent and naive person here employs.
A whole lot of words to tell me that the documentary has absolutely nothing in the way of "new and material evidence and analysis", I've heard that litany of theory and conjecture before. The real truth is that TWA 800 was brought down due to an electrical short which led to an explosion. The real truth is that eyewitnesses are not always reliable and the difference between the eyewitnesses to the end of TWA 800 and the eyewitnesses at the Pentagon, is the complete lack of conflicting accounts of what they saw on 9/11.
Insults Are Easier wrote:
So Queeny, in the end, truth doesn't want to convince catchers of anything, we want pitchers, so you're out like a traveling queen with a password issue.
Insults Are Easier
Sadly mistaken once again buttercup, I'm strictly a pitcher and you've just been struck out.

PS: Your entirely undeserved superiority complex, too, too funny.

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#262607 Nov 21, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
The keyword is (cover-up)
In a cover-up the most concrete evidence are covered up... all that anyone can do is just look for shreds of evidence and put the pieces together.
We know how it works.
onemale
A)Building hit by plane + B)Building fall down + c)concrete evidence are covered up + D)put the pieces together=space beams

D)put the pieces together=anything you want

Dr_Zorderz No planes and mini-nukes in the same post + c)no concrete evidence + D)put the pieces together=hologram plane CIA mini-nuke suitcase.

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#262608 Nov 22, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
And don't forget to watch "Ancient Aliens" too, if it's on tv or yourube...it must be true!
Didn't ancient aliens become a religion
Hugh Briss

Portsmouth, VA

#262609 Nov 22, 2013
Most people are not even sufficiently aware of so much else, that is the truth, but is very different than the way things are supposed to be, either.

So, when someone not familiar with those other truths behind the lies, on so many subjects, that go back a long time before 9/11, hear this one big story (9/11), as their introduction to the realities of the big bad world, it is overwhelming, and they cannot handle it (the truth), so they reject it as not fitting in their world view, which is significantly lacking, and most people are significantly deficient of full levels of knowledge and understanding of the truth of the nature of the world, it's power structure of who really controls most things, etc....

This (9/11) is not the only thing that is very different than official stories.

Many other events are very different than the bullshit that gets fed to the masses for the official story put out for public consumption...

But for people who do not know the nature of power in the world and that it is very different than the BS we are taught, well, they can't handle the truth on this one big event (9/11) either, of course....

They can't believe any people would be that bad,(whoever is involved in the government, etc) because they cannot relate to it, themselves.....

And that is part of how the elite ultra rich who actually rule the world get away with their stuff...

Another part is that if anything sounds hard to believe, that is, it sounds crazy (it can be ridiculed compared to conventional wisdom, which is wrong), then that is enough to discredit almost anything.....

Therefore the nonsense that still holds sway is that anything that sounds hard to believe (sounds "crazy" (to a stupid person)), therefore must not be true!

Anything that sounds crazy (hard to believe is true) CAN'T BE TRUE!

What obvious nonsense! But, IT WORKS!

Why don't people learn a little about what the Hegelian Dialectic is?

Why don't more people know what "False flag events" are, and that they are a fact as things that happen?

Because most people do not want to know anything that shakes up their world view.

Any hard to swallow reality,(a hard truth, a hard reality) is something most people willfully ignore.

If it is too hard to take, most people will deny it.

Yes, of course, unless you are a total ninny, you know 9/11 was a huge inside job with a coverup.

The official story is the conspiracy theory that makes no sense.....

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#262613 Nov 22, 2013
So to summarize Ignorance is Bliss' word salad rant against reality, "911 was an inside jobbity, jobbity job because TWA 800.

Of course that's a valid argument in the Looniverse where Twooferdumb exists but here in reality, not so much.
visualize whirled peas

Portsmouth, VA

#262614 Nov 22, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
So to summarize Ignorance is Bliss' word salad rant against reality, "911 was an inside jobbity, jobbity job because TWA 800.
Of course that's a valid argument in the Looniverse where Twooferdumb exists but here in reality, not so much.
Oooohhhh my, So impressive, you can say stuff like: "rant against reality", looniverse", and "not so much".

No, I did not mean that. It is sarcasm and you are a shit for brains troll.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#262615 Nov 22, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't ancient aliens become a religion
I think they took over the twoof movement?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#262616 Nov 22, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
And don't forget to watch "Ancient Aliens" too, if it's on tv or yourube...it must be true!
You pig boy along with everybody else here watched 9/11 unfold on your TV. TV is is also where they announced who did it and within hours flashed pictures of the alleged muslim fanatics who they claim were the perpetrators of the dastardly deed.

Since you were in a panic and could not contact miss piggy who was visiting NY at the time, you were in a panic, fit to be tied and thus was born your passion of hatred for the muslims that caused such a travesty, and your profound belief in the official govie story of 9/11 you first heard about on the morning TV.

Yes indeed if its on TV it must be true.

Only in little uneducated pig minds like yours.

Huh Eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#262617 Nov 22, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
The radar data clearly shows an outside blast event causing the aircraft to break apart at supersonic speeds, explosive residue was found on the wings, the center fuel tank had a nitrate splatter pattern on it before it burst as confirmed by NASA at the time and discovered by the participants in this newTWA: Flight 800 documentary.
YAWN! YAWN! YAWN!

Blast Holes

Investigators reconstructed and analyzed virtually the entire structure of the stricken airliner. The work revealed 196 blast holes in the airplane's structure. So how did the investigators figure that an internal gas tank explosion caused this damage, instead of a missile or bomb?

The NTSB's metallurgists requested that Boeing conduct the tests (and Boeing had no motive to reach the conclusion that a defect in its own equipment, rather than an act of violence, caused the blast). Its engineers created test plates and fired fragments at them at high and low velocities. An antiaircraft missile warhead detonates close to its target, spraying shrapnel at high speeds into the aircraft to destroy it. A bomb made with high-energy explosives would also hurl metal, this time from the inside out, at higher velocities than an inadvertent gas tank detonation.

These tests indicated that high-speed fragments leave particular signs behind, like deformations on the edges and melted parts of the walls of the hole. High-speed impacts leave little surface deformation. In the TWA 800 tests, all but two of the 196 holes exhibited signs of low-velocity penetration, and the remaining two holes showed signs of both. One of these mystery holes—just 3/16-inch diameter—was examined in the Safety Board's Materials Lab. "No evidence of melted and resolidified metal was noted on any portion of the hole wall," the report states.

All the holes near the wing, where the fuel tank that exploded was located, were low-velocity impacts. About 95 percent of the airplane was reconstructed, and the missing parts were too small to hide bomb or missile damage.

To fake these lab results would require a cadre of engineers at Boeing, as well as the NTSB to be in on the conspiracy or be willing to sit quietly as their tests were rigged. Either way, there is a slew of outside voices involved with the tests that could contradict the government's story.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#262618 Nov 22, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
The radar data clearly shows an outside blast event causing the aircraft to break apart at supersonic speeds,
The Radar Data

The objecting investigators claim that TWA 800 was brought down by three surface-to-air missiles.

That's based on their interpretation of radar data, which they say shows debris moving away from the 747 at Mach 4 speeds, faster than what a fuel tank explosion could generate.

Again, the filmmakers neglect to support their theories with independent analysis.

As Greg Evans at Bloomberg Businessweek pointed out, "The film offers no dissenting interpretation of his [Stalcup's] facts, or even outside acknowledgment that his facts are facts."

One of the starring investigators, Hank Hughes, argues the attackers must have used proximity fuse missiles, which detonated just before hitting the jet. But the NTSB report shoots down that possibility, based on information from the Naval Air Warfare Center—Weapons Division:

Further, simulations also showed that a missile launch from one of the few sites that could potentially have resulted in a detonation at the proximity and orientation for a fragment to penetrate the tank and ignite the fuel/air vapor would have resulted in numerous fragments impacting the surrounding airplane structure with sufficient force to leave distinctive impact marks. No such impact marks were found on the accident airplane&#769;s wreckage.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#262619 Nov 22, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
Witnesses are always unreliable unless they agree with the official narrative.
Wrong, They said they saw a streak of light a minute or two after the plane exploded, I don't challenge this.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#262620 Nov 22, 2013
Hi Tom!
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
You pig boy along with everybody else here watched 9/11 unfold on your TV. TV is is also where they announced who did it and within hours flashed pictures of the alleged muslim fanatics who they claim were the perpetrators of the dastardly deed.
Since you were in a panic and could not contact miss piggy who was visiting NY at the time, you were in a panic, fit to be tied and thus was born your passion of hatred for the muslims that caused such a travesty, and your profound belief in the official govie story of 9/11 you first heard about on the morning TV.
Yes indeed if its on TV it must be true.
Only in little uneducated pig minds like yours.
Huh Eh !
Pegasus

Bronx, NY

#262621 Nov 22, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
You pig boy along with everybody else here watched 9/11 unfold on your TV. TV is is also where they announced who did it and within hours flashed pictures of the alleged muslim fanatics who they claim were the perpetrators of the dastardly deed.
Since you were in a panic and could not contact miss piggy who was visiting NY at the time, you were in a panic, fit to be tied and thus was born your passion of hatred for the muslims that caused such a travesty, and your profound belief in the official govie story of 9/11 you first heard about on the morning TV.
Yes indeed if its on TV it must be true.
Only in little uneducated pig minds like yours.
Huh Eh !
Good, so what I thought was the Patriots losing to the Panthers really did'nt happen on tv like you said.

I like this concept of what is real and what is not.

There is only one problem......TRUTH gets in the way.

On second thought I think I'll stick to reality.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#262622 Nov 22, 2013
Yes TRUTH indeed does get in the way of what you see on TV.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

In the meantime, stick to the reality you see on TV and don't let TRUTH get in the way.

Huh Eh !
Pegasus

Bronx, NY

#262624 Nov 22, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Yes TRUTH indeed does get in the way of what you see on TV.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
In the meantime, stick to the reality you see on TV and don't let TRUTH get in the way.
Huh Eh !
There you then we did infact see two different jet airliners kamikaze into the trades, one rip through the Pentagon, and too bad the evil gubbamint did not have a camera in the field or up in a tree to see the jet in Shanksville.

We agree....what we see is what we get.
Pegasus

Bronx, NY

#262625 Nov 22, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, They said they saw a streak of light a minute or two after the plane exploded, I don't challenge this.
Meant to get back to you on that missile bit.

To see the tail end action weather permitting, at least 20/20 vision, moonless night, and your field of vision happening to catch it.

I have seen rocket fire before at night and near the coast because of the cooling of night time air you have like a high fog that creeps its way down as the night wears on.

Anyway you don't have to have perfect conditions but damn good conditions.
Rick not in Kansas yet

Salina, KS

#262627 Nov 22, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
April, 2000 NTSB Missile Visibility Test Eglin AFB, Florida states clearly:
Same or better visibility conditions
Observers up to 14 miles from launch
All observers saw the launch
Appeared like a rapidly rising light
Anyone who has launched a bottle rocket and has any common sense know this to be true.
Keyword: Common Sense
Insults Are Easier
Missiles are visible objects, no one is disputing that, that I've read anyways. The dispute is in the reality of whether or not there was even a missile to be seen.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#262628 Nov 22, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>Some people are not meant to know and I guess you are one of them.

Take care.

Insults Are Easier
Of course!

You and the grey box moron "Manyfails" are just speshul.

That explains everything!

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