Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

Charlie Sheen

Marshville, NC

#261563 Oct 29, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
sorry charlie's Note to self.
Stay inside and debwunk today.
It's safe indoors.
But someone is doing the debunking for me, LMFAO! DUMBMALE DEBUNKS HIMSELF, WITH LINKS!

[QUOTE WHO="ONEMALE"]THE JET ENGINE FOUND AT THE PENTAGON DOES NOT MATCH THAT OF 757.
HTTP://WWW.AEROSPACEWEB.ORG/QUESTION/CONSPIRA... [/QUOTE]

DUMBMALE SELFDEBUNKS WITH A LINK!

FROM YOUR LINK!

IN SUMMARY, WE HAVE STUDIED TWO KEY PIECES OF WRECKAGE PHOTOGRAPHED AT THE PENTAGON SHORTLY AFTER SEPTEMBER 11 AND FOUND THEM TO BE ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH THE ROLLS-ROYCE RB211-535 TURBOFAN ENGINE FOUND ON A BOEING 757 OPERATED BY AMERICAN AIRLINES.

THE CIRCULAR ENGINE DISK DEBRIS IS JUST THE RIGHT SIZE AND SHAPE TO MATCH THE COMPRESSOR STAGES OF THE RB211, AND IT ALSO SHOWS EVIDENCE OF BEING ATTACHED TO A TRIPLE-SHAFT TURBOFAN LIKE THE RB211.

THERE IS SIMPLY NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THESE ITEMS CAME FROM ANY OTHER ENGINE MODEL THAN THE RB211-535, AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE ENGINES ARE ONLY USED ON ONE TYPE OF PLANE--THE BOEING 757.

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[QUOTE WHO="ONEMALE"]THE LANDING GEAR FOUND AT THE PENTAGON DOES NOT MATCH THAT OF A 575
HTTP://WWW.AEROSPACEWEB.ORG/QUESTION/CONSPIRA... [/QUOTE]

AND DUMBMALE SELF DEBUNKS AGAIN, FROM YOUR LINK!

DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU USE AS A LINK?

THIS INVESTIGATION INDICATES THAT THE ONLY WHEEL MATCHING THAT FOUND AT THE PENTAGON IS THE MAIN GEAR WHEEL OF A BOEING 757-200, THE SAME MODEL AS AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77.

THE KEY FEATURES OF THE WRECKAGE--INCLUDING THE NUMBER, SIZE, AND SHAPE OF THE CUTOUTS AND BOLT ATTACHMENTS--PERFECTLY MATCH THOSE FOUND IN A MAIN LANDING GEAR WHEEL OF A BOEING 757-200, AS ILLUSTRATED IN THE ABOVE COMPARISON. NONE OF THE WHEELS OF THE GLOBAL HAWK, A-3, OR 737 MATCH THE DEBRIS, WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING SINCE ALL OF THESE AIRCRAFT WEIGH CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN THE 757 AND USE CORRESPONDINGLY SMALLER WHEELS OF DIFFERING DESIGN.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#261564 Oct 29, 2013
Was the wheel in question identified by serial number as belonging to AA flight 77?

Unless it was and you can prove it, the above means nothing at all other than a wheel was found.

It could have easily been planted by any number of nefarious folks.

Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#261565 Oct 29, 2013
And why was only one wheel found?

And don't say because the rest of them burned up in the fire.

A Boeing 757 has 10 such wheels, each with an easily identifiable serial number which leads to repair and maintenance records kept of every aircraft.

Huh Eh !
Pegasus

United States

#261566 Oct 29, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us again about the low carbon aluminum Manyfails!
With pink polka dots.
Pegasus

United States

#261567 Oct 29, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
sorry charlie's Note to self.
Stay inside and debwunk today.
It's safe indoors.
You can see the blue sky it's just those razor barbs you can't get over.....rightfully so you luntactic.
Whats on the agenda today.....coloring or popsicle stick houses?
Charlie Sheen

Marshville, NC

#261568 Oct 29, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
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It could have easily been planted by any number of nefarious folks.
Huh Eh !
Any proof of that while I am still cracking up at this!
onemale wrote:
The landing gear found at the Pentagon does not match that of a 575
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspira...
AND DUMBMALE SELF DEBUNKS AGAIN, FROM YOUR LINK!

DO YOU EVEN READ WHAT YOU USE AS A LINK?

This investigation indicates that the only wheel matching that found at the Pentagon is the main gear wheel of a Boeing 757-200, the same model as American Airlines Flight 77.

The key features of the wreckage--including the number, size, and shape of the cutouts and bolt attachments--perfectly match those found in a main landing gear wheel of a Boeing 757-200, as illustrated in the above comparison. None of the wheels of the Global Hawk, A-3, or 737 match the debris, which is not surprising since all of these aircraft weigh considerably less than the 757 and use correspondingly smaller wheels of differing design.
Charlie Sheen

Marshville, NC

#261569 Oct 29, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
And why was only one wheel found?
And don't say because the rest of them burned up in the fire.
Ahhh...

onemale wrote:
<quoted text> Amazing, now you're a Crash Scene Investigator?
You really should save yourself the embarrassment.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#261570 Oct 29, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Was the wheel in question identified by serial number as belonging to AA flight 77?

Unless it was and you can prove it, the above means nothing at all other than a wheel was found.

It could have easily been planted by any number of nefarious folks.

Huh Eh !
Wrong oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST STREET CORNER JEEBUS!

It's up to you to disprove it and so far your inept attempts have been beyond pathetic.

It's not like there were dozens of 757's that went missing that day and you've never been able to show that identifying crashed aircraft depends on matching serial numbers.

Given the convergence and preponderance of evidence you lazily hand wave away, it would be surprising that any investigator would require matching serial numbers to confirm anything.

Do you have anything other than long debunked myths today?

Didn't think so.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#261571 Oct 29, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST STREET CORNER JEEBUS!
It's up to you to disprove it and so far your inept attempts have been beyond pathetic.
It's not like there were dozens of 757's that went missing that day and you've never been able to show that identifying crashed aircraft depends on matching serial numbers.
Given the convergence and preponderance of evidence you lazily hand wave away, it would be surprising that any investigator would require matching serial numbers to confirm anything.
Do you have anything other than long debunked myths today?
Didn't think so.
Do you have any kind of proof that an investigator would or would not require matching serial numbers to confirm anything other than your mindless conjecture pig boy?

The reason the govie did not find evidence of explosives at WTC 1&2 is by their own admission no so called scientific govie investigator looked for any.

How convenient for You and the govie perpetrators of the dastardly deed.

Huh eh !
hunter

Norwich, UK

#261572 Oct 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Cite the scientific papers that show it. Not the bs you say it. Don't challenge us to do so, we can provide them in spades, but you always deny them and talk about scientists and engineers saying it.
Now put your money where your mouth is ....and show us real scientific papers that justify your talk. Ones that are accepted by the mainstream scientists , not bs papers not worth the paper they are printed on , like Steven Jones. Who is the laughing stock
of the scientific world, or Judy the wood who dunnit. You're a joke and you can't even see it.
What the mainstream (Government influenced) Scientist's you mean!

GET REAL!

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#261573 Oct 29, 2013
Many airplanes will be used for different ’flights’ out of airports each day. "A particular aircraft may fly several different flights in one day, and different aircraft may be used for the same flight number on successive days." Source
Flight number (or flight code) is different from the plane identification number. It would take a short investigation to match a particular plane with a flight route that day.
Further, almost every single part on an airplane, down to the tiniest component, has identifying marks or serial numbers. This is industry standard, and certainly was the case on 9/11. It should be no problem to put together a forensic investigation with the remaining airplane parts to match up the parts with the planes with the flight numbers.

And yet, Boeing insists this is impossible.

Firstly, who is giving out this statement from Boeing, and secondly, why aren’t these details important to either Boeing, the police, or the relatives of victims who died on 9/11?

Perhaps it’s a can of worms that officials do not want to open, so it’s deemed "impossible".

What happens if they read the serial numbers on the parts, cross reference it with the numbers that were supposed to be on the planes from the day of the attack, and find they don’t match?

If they do match, well that’s evidence to make a case for the official story. If they DON’T match however, that leads to questions about which planes exactly impacted the Twin Towers that day? If not the Boeing planes that were allegedly carrying passengers booked on Flights 11 and 175, then which?

There are some researchers who theorize that the original planes carrying the passengers booked on 11 and 175 took off as expected from the corresponding gates, but different planes impacted the towers.

The key to this comes with the fact that the plane’s transponders (electronic location device) were turned off mid-flight. The official story says the hijackers did this to go ’invisible’ to radar.

On the PilotsFor911Truth forum, pilots speculate on this by suggesting:

"I believe that a more likely explanation is that the 3020 and 3321 transponder codes were part of a multiple plane, "Northwoods" scenario ’swap’ where two planes occupy the same radar ’space’-- one descends to land, one continues. in this scenario, UA175 is not the craft that hits the towers. a different aircraft is the one seen in the videos, but , per "northwoods" painted as in the livery of the commercial craft."

Ultimately, the way to prove or disprove this theory is by investigating the part number - indeed ALL the part numbers from the pieces of evidence that were gathered from the crime scene. Something that officials call ’impossible’.

A commenter, "Rebel", on the AP story provided his take on what Boeing had to say about it:

"I work for a tiny aerospace supplier that makes non-flight-critical aircraft components and we - and the aircraft completion facility that buys our stuff -[are] required by the FAA to keep meticulous records so that between us, even a circuit panel inside a single button switch panel used to turn on a coffee pot in the back of the plane can be matched to a particular plane.

But this can only happen if everybody is willing to co-operate. And no one is co-operating on this point of matching the serial numbers of wreckage debris found at the crime scene to maintenance records.

So the only conclusion any sane inquisitive person can come up with is:

"They’re lying."

http://redicecreations.com/article.php...

Huh Eh !
hunter

Norwich, UK

#261574 Oct 29, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST STREET CORNER JEEBUS!
It's up to you to disprove it and so far your inept attempts have been beyond pathetic.
It's not like there were dozens of 757's that went missing that day and you've never been able to show that identifying crashed aircraft depends on matching serial numbers.
Given the convergence and preponderance of evidence you lazily hand wave away, it would be surprising that any investigator would require matching serial numbers to confirm anything.
Do you have anything other than long debunked myths today?
Didn't think so.
Still abusing and ridiculing i see.What qualification's really do you have?
You would not know what true evidence was if it hit you in the face!

Oh Porkfart,
You are just a little stooge SHITHEAD!
With all the comment's you have posted,You still have'nt
convinced one person.

A bit of a waste of time,Don't you think!

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#261576 Oct 29, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>And it took less that one second to figure out Frank DiMartini wasn't a designer of the towers.

And that he died on 911 meaning he can't have the opportunity for a sober second look at his own claim.

But hey, nice try at spreading disinformation....again!

Leslie Robertson, lead designer of WTC 1 & 2 said,

"The two towers were the first structures outside of the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It was assumed that the jetliner would be lost in the fog, seeking to land at JFK or at Newark. To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that circumstance. Indeed, at that time, no fireproofing systems were available to control the effects of such fires."

Steel plating....all over again.
He also can't be manipulated into playing ball with the official story to further his career or go along with what is politically expedient, now that he is deceased.

So it cuts both ways.

Planes can crash taking off or landing, and the architect I linked said he believed two fully loaded 707's could impact each tower. Fully loaded in aviation refers to total weight including passengers, cargo, and fuel. A fully loaded aircraft has full fuel tanks.

But you pretend architects just draw pictures without working side by side with engineers to complete projects, as you pretend every engineer is beyond reproach, as long as they support your agenda.

Statistically, planes are far more likely to crash on take-off then landing, but you readily believe one quote by an engineer because it fits your preconceived belief that everything a government says is true. You worship authority, because you were taught to.

The idea that designers only considered a landing aircraft without fuel in a building so tall defies logic. But one must have logic to know it, and you have none.

Its always steel plating all over again when dealing with you smear campaigners, because you will always stick to your mischaracterizations to attempt to make your points while you ignore anything against your agenda.

But thats why you have made it your mission in life to turn this discussion into a one up insult contest. Thats why you encourage idiot liars like WasteOfWater and Charlie Sheen to spam it senselessly, when you yourself are not spamming it senselessly. If you notice, it had substance in the discussions for the most part until you arrived, then withered away to what it is today mostly because of you and the empty headed minions you attract.

Now I know some of the unregistered nics here are not the brightest, and their idiocy damages the quest for truth; but you don't see me encouraging them as you do any idiot that will support your cause in Canada.

That's the smear campaign, and that's why

Insults Are Easier

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#261577 Oct 29, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have any kind of proof that an investigator would or would not require matching serial numbers to confirm anything other than your mindless conjecture pig boy?

The reason the govie did not find evidence of explosives at WTC 1&2 is by their own admission no so called scientific govie investigator looked for any.

How convenient for You and the govie perpetrators of the dastardly deed.

Huh eh !
Sorry oh elevator boy, you've had years to prove your idiotic claims and have failed to do anything but wave your arms like a flightless bird.

Your claims require proof and without proof they're as invalid as your moniker is in proving you're a doctor.

Aside from your brain dead brethren posting the proof that the plane parts found in the pentagon were consistent with AA77, aside from the plane sized hole in the building, aside from the fdr data that proves which plane hit the pentagon, aside from the witnesses who saw a passenger jet hit the pentagon, aside from human beings on that plane who contacted others and told them what was happening...you require serial numbers that if presented you'd ignore anyway.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/mou...

Oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST STREET CORNER JEEBUS, who do you think you are and why should any rational human being give a crap what you want?
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#261578 Oct 29, 2013
This is a testimony of the Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta, which indicates Cheney ordered the stand down order of NORAD.

Charlie Sheen

Marshville, NC

#261579 Oct 29, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
On the PilotsFor911Truth forum, pilots speculate on this by suggesting:
"I believe that a more likely explanation is that the 3020 and 3321 transponder codes were part of a multiple plane, "Northwoods" scenario ’swap’ where two planes occupy the same radar ’space’-- one descends to land, one continues. in this scenario, UA175 is not the craft that hits the towers. a different aircraft is the one seen in the videos, but , per "northwoods" painted as in the livery of the commercial craft."
Mindless speculation is not evidence.
Charlie Sheen

Marshville, NC

#261580 Oct 29, 2013
Gosh, It would be there in the dust and endless scientists would have verified it by now.

PS: But hey, someone did find oil based enamel paint.
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have any kind of proof that an investigator would or would not require matching serial numbers to confirm anything other than your mindless conjecture pig boy?
The reason the govie did not find evidence of explosives at WTC 1&2 is by their own admission no so called scientific govie investigator looked for any.
How convenient for You and the govie perpetrators of the dastardly deed.
Huh eh !
WTF

Mount Clare, WV

#261581 Oct 29, 2013
Of course it was a conspiracy. Look at all the powers the US government has acquired since 9-11. Before then, every crazy situation the government messed up (ruby ridge, waco texas, oklahoma city) the whole country was outraged. Since 9-11, every government mess up is ignored, excused, and avoided by every citizen and media outlet. It doesn't take a genius to see, just a self minded and intelligent human to realize why it happened. Sheep think on a day to day basis; rulers, dictators, and masters think on a 10-100 year basis. Try to take all your thoughts to that time scale and everything makes sense. There is no conspiracy. It's basic common sense. Think about or don't. No reason to argue about it now. It's just a self awareness thing. Look to Christ, Buddha, or whatever idol you wish. The spirit will show you. Truth is available for each human on this wretched earth.
Pork Fried Rice

Chico, CA

#261582 Oct 29, 2013
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/10/29/jam...
TRANSCRIPT: On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon andFEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#261583 Oct 29, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
Gosh, It would be there in the dust and endless scientists would have verified it by now.
PS: But hey, someone did find oil based enamel paint.
<quoted text>
What you don't seem to get is that they did not verify it because they did NOT look.

So much for govie "science". By definition a "scientist" is one who uses the "scientific method" which can be defined using these steps:

1. Ask a Question
2. Do Background Research
3. Construct a Hypothesis
4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
5. Be able to Repeat your Experiment at Will
6. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
7. Communicate Your Results

It is important for your experiment to be a fair test.

A "fair test" occurs when you change only one factor at a time (variable) and keep all other conditions the same.

And to be sure it was a "fair test" it would be incumbent upon you to consider all the factors and variables you are aware of and not to ignore any factors or variables in favor of only those factors or variables which are favorable to your desired outcome.

Therefore to rule some factor or variable out, you Must look for it before you can be certain it is not there.

To say a factor or variable is not evident is not "scientific" if you do Not look for it or test for its presence.

http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-pr...

Apparently pig boy didn't learn this in the 5th grade. Oh I forgot they don't have science in Canada. It's too cold!?!?!?!?

Huh Eh !

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