Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#260690 Oct 12, 2013
Peter Bergen expanded on the supposed CIA/ bin Ladin links in his book, Holy War Inc:

But were the CIA and the Afghan Arabs in cahoots, as recent studies have suggested? One author charges: "The CIA had funded and trained the Afghan Arabs during the war". Another refers to "the central role of the CIA's Muslim mercenaries, including upwards of 2,000 mercenaries in the Afghanistan war". Both authors present these claims as axioms, but provide no real corroboration.

Other commentators have reported that bin Ladin himself was aided by the CIA. A report in the respected British newspaper The Guardian states: "In 1986 the CIA even helped him [bin Ladin] build an underground camp at Khost [Afghanistan] where he was to train recruits from across the Islamic world in the revolutionary art of jihad"...Bin Ladin, meanwhile, had expoused anti-American positions since 1982, and thanks to the fortune derived from his family's giant construction business had little need of CIA money. In fact, the underground camp at Khost was built in 1982 by an Afghan commander, with Arab funding.

A source familiar with bin Ladin's organisation explains that bin Ladin "never had any relations with America or American officials... He was saying very early in the 1980's that the next battle is going to be with America... No aid or training or other support have ever been given to bin Ladin from Americans." A senior offical unequivocally says that "bin Ladin never met with the CIA."

While the charges that the CIA was responsible for the rise of the Afghan Arabs might make good copy, they don't make good history. The truth is more complicated, tinged with varying shades of grey. The United States wanted to be able to deny that the CIA was funding the Afghan war, so its support was funneled through Pakistan's military intelligence agency, Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI). ISI in turn made the decisions about which Afghan factions to arm and train, tending to fund the most Islamist and pro-Pakistan. The Afghan Arabs generally fought alongside those factions, which is how the charge arose that they were creatures of the CIA.

Former CIA officer Milt Bearden, who ran the Agency's Afghan operation in the late 1980's, says: "The CIA did not recruit Arabs," as there was no need to do so. There were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight...

Moreover, the Afghan Arabs demonstrated a pathological dislike of Westerners. Jouvenal says: "I always kept away from Arabs [in Afghanistan]. They were very hostile. They would ask,'What are you doing in an Islamic country?" The BBC reporter John Simpson had a close call with bin Ladin himself outside Jalalabad in 1989. Travelling with a group of Arab mujahideen, Simpson and his television crew bumped into an Arab man beautifully dressed in spotless white robes; the man began shouting at Simpson's escorts to kill the infidels, then offered a truck driver the not unreasonable sum of five hundred dollars to do the job. Simpson's Afghan escort turned down the request, and bin Ladin was to be found later on a camp bed, weeping in frustration. Only when bin Ladin became a public figure, almost a decade later, did Simpson realise who the mysterious Arab was who had wanted him dead.

Page 67/68, Holy War Inc,
Peter Bergen
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#260691 Oct 12, 2013
And Ayman al-Zawahiri, second-in-command of al Qaeda, explains more in his text "Knights under the Prophet's Banner". Here he claims the "Afghan Arabs" had plenty of funding from various Arab sources, and points to other indications that they never supported the US:

"While the United States backed Pakistan and the mujahidin factions with money and equipment, the young Arab mujahidin's relationship with the United States was totally different.

"Indeed the presence of those young Arab Afghans in Afghanistan and their increasing numbers represented a failure of US policy and new proof of the famous US political stupidity. The financing of the activities of the Arab mujahidin in Afghanistan came from aid sent to Afghanistan by popular organizations. It was substantial aid. "The Arab mujahidin did not confine themselves to financing their own jihad but also carried Muslim donations to the Afghan mujahidin themselves. Usama Bin Ladin has apprised me of the size of the popular Arab support for the Afghan mujahidin that amounted, according to his sources, to $200 million in the form of military aid alone in 10 years.

Imagine how much aid was sent by popular Arab organizations in the non-military fields such as medicine and health, education and vocational training, food, and social assistance (including sponsorship of orphans, widows, and the war handicapped. Add to all this the donations that were sent on special occasions such as Id al-Fitr and Id al-Adha feasts and during the month of Ramadan."

"Through this unofficial popular support, the Arab mujahidin established training centers and centers for the call to the faith. They formed fronts that trained and equipped thousands of Arab mujahidin and provided them with living expenses, housing, travel, and organization."

Changing Bin Ladin's Guard

About the Afghan Arabs' relationship with the United States, Al-Zawahiri says in his book: "If the Arab mujahidin are mercenaries of the United States who rebelled against it as it alleges, why is it unable to buy them back now? Are they not counted now-with Usama Bin Ladin at their head-as the primary threat to US interests? Is not buying them more economical and less costly that the astronomical budgets that the United States is allotting for security and defense?"

"The Americans, in their usual custom of exaggeration and superficiality, are trying to sell off illusions to the people and are ignoring the most basic facts. Is it possible that Usama Bin Ladin who, in his lectures in the year 1987, called for boycotting US goods as a form of support for the intifadah in Palestine, a US agent in Afghanistan?...

"Furthermore, is it possible that the martyr-as we regard him-Abdallah Azzam was a US collaborator when in fact he never stopped inciting young men against the United States and used to back HAMAS with all the resources at his disposal?

"Is it possible that the jihadist movement in Egypt can be a collaborator movement for the United States when Khalid al-Islambuli and his comrades killed Anwar al-Sadat, even before the phenomenon of the Arab mujahidin in Afghanistan emerged?"

"Is it possible that the jihadist movement in Egypt can be a US collaborator movement when in fact it brought up its children, ever since the movement started, to reject Israel and all the agreements of capitulation to it and to consider making peace with Israel as a contravention of Islamic Shari'ah?"
http://www.uofh.com/114/id_s/1304/

Richard Miniter has a little more on this in "Dispelling the CIA-Bin Ladin Myth", and while you may not exactly trust the source, there are further comments worth at least a look on the US State Departments “Identifying Misinformation” site.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

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#260692 Oct 12, 2013
Nice cut n paste SPAM rant. Got anything relevant to 9/11?

I didn't think so.

You can't prove any of that.

LINK or LIE and CRY

Huh Eh !
Pegasus

Marcus Hook, PA

#260693 Oct 12, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust. When I die I'm going to the worms. And so are you so-called believers in christs and anti-christs.
“I’m going to create man and woman with original sin. Then I’m going to impregnate a woman with myself as her child, so that I can be born.
Once alive, I will kill myself as a sacrifice to myself. To save you from the sin I originally condemned you to. Ta Dah !!!”
The alleged Jesus himself!
This probably makes sense to you. I think its funny!
Huh Eh !
Looks as though Zorderz here has had a change in the psychotropic meds this idiot basks in, notice how all Truthers share in the madness of big brother out to get them as they latch onto scumbags such as Alex Jones as a guardian and savior not only conveying the message of their master but adding blatant lies to the unproven conspiracy.

In short you can always see two sides of the Truther where one of those sides really only matter....the side that convinces the shrink to up the antein meds and keep the cuckoo disability "kiss in the mail" check rolling to the mailbox.
Pegasus

Marcus Hook, PA

#260694 Oct 12, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
Some of us???
Most of us... like a factor of about 4 to 1
Remember how people were under the assumption of the world being flat.

You my fine medicated friend have a big fat problem and it is called...proof.
Pegasus

Marcus Hook, PA

#260695 Oct 12, 2013
onemale wrote:
I have only one question...
seriously, does this sound like an Islamic Extremist who is planning to commit suicide so he can go to Heaven ???
The alleged ring leader of 9/11, Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, snorting cocaine, drinking Tequila, going to stripper bars, sleeping with strippers, and over 40 other things you may not know:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/...
It's called partying hardy wingnut.
If you were going on a oneway trip you would too.

No who you are, how much or little dough you have...we all shit, piss and eat the same....it's called reality so try stepping into it.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260696 Oct 12, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Nice cut n paste SPAM rant. Got anything relevant to 9/11?

I didn't think so.

You can't prove any of that.

LINK or LIE and CRY

Huh Eh !
Were you trying to be ironic?

Oh elevator boy- sheep 20 pilots STREET CORNER JEEBUS!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260697 Oct 12, 2013
Pegasus wrote:
<quoted text>It's called partying hardy wingnut.
If you were going on a oneway trip you would too.

No who you are, how much or little dough you have...we all shit, piss and eat the same....it's called reality so try stepping into it.
And of course that was debunked anyway.

www.911myths.com/index.php/Atta%2C_alcohol%2C...

2004 called, they want their entire schtick back from Manyfail.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#260698 Oct 12, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Shouldn't you be signing up for Obamacare?
Btw, love the hat you're wearing in your pic!
Yea, the tin foil hat poster.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#260699 Oct 12, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, the tin foil hat poster.
Did ya get that outa the bible?

Huh Eh !

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260700 Oct 12, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>Yea, the tin foil hat poster.
A tin foil body cast couldn't help him escape his delusions!

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#260701 Oct 12, 2013
More and more evidence points to the fact that the central bankers/US government are preparing for a false flag.

We now have two nuclear commanders who have been relieved of their commands, a missing nuke, dry runs of planes, propaganda about Syria and Iran attacking, numerous amount of drills taking place within a 6 week period.

The FED is shifting the blame of the taper to the shutdown of the Government and this had nothing to do with the taper.

The FED and Government do not want to be blamed for the collapse and they are now planning to use a false flag event to blame another country.

Just like 9/11.

War games, simulations and drills are the favored deceptions for govie false flag operations.

http://sgtreport.com/2013/10/the-next-false-f...

Dare To Think For Yourself. Or someone else will think for you.

Huh Eh !

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260702 Oct 12, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>Did ya get that outa the bible?

Huh Eh !
So how big was the entrance hole at the pentagon again oh elevator boy-sheep 20 pilots STREET CORNER JEEBUS?

Oh right, since your little ruse is busted by actually looking at pictures of it it's been dropped from the annals of inside jobbity, jobbity, jobbity job evidunce down there in twooferdumb.

Good luck with that!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#260703 Oct 12, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
More and more evidence points to the fact that the central bankers/US government are preparing for a false flag.
We now have two nuclear commanders who have been relieved of their commands, a missing nuke, dry runs of planes, propaganda about Syria and Iran attacking, numerous amount of drills taking place within a 6 week period.
The FED is shifting the blame of the taper to the shutdown of the Government and this had nothing to do with the taper.
The FED and Government do not want to be blamed for the collapse and they are now planning to use a false flag event to blame another country.
Just like 9/11.
War games, simulations and drills are the favored deceptions for govie false flag operations.
http://sgtreport.com/2013/10/the-next-false-f...
Dare To Think For Yourself. Or someone else will think for you.
Huh Eh !
Nice rant bro. There is no evidence of a false flag.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#260704 Oct 12, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
More and more evidence points to the fact that the central bankers/US government are preparing for a false flag.
We now have two nuclear commanders who have been relieved of their commands, a missing nuke, dry runs of planes, propaganda about Syria and Iran attacking, numerous amount of drills taking place within a 6 week period.
The FED is shifting the blame of the taper to the shutdown of the Government and this had nothing to do with the taper.
The FED and Government do not want to be blamed for the collapse and they are now planning to use a false flag event to blame another country.
Just like 9/11.
War games, simulations and drills are the favored deceptions for govie false flag operations.
http://sgtreport.com/2013/10/the-next-false-f...
Dare To Think For Yourself. Or someone else will think for you.
Huh Eh !
Here is a nice Bible quote which matches your post.

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly.

Enjoy!!!!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260705 Oct 12, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>Here is a nice Bible quote which matches your post.

As a dog returns to its vomit, so fools repeat their folly.

Enjoy!!!!
What a coincidence!

His middle name is vomit!

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#260706 Oct 12, 2013
All you bwunking bible thumpers are on the wrong forum. You should be here.

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

There you can quote bible verses all day long.

Huh eh !
Pegasus

Philadelphia, PA

#260707 Oct 12, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
All you bwunking bible thumpers are on the wrong forum. You should be here.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
There you can quote bible verses all day long.
Huh eh !
How is the Koran treating you Zorderz?
Lately you seem to have a hair across your ass over other peoples religous beliefs ....then jumping to your Jones mantra , then back to your psycho jibber-jabber.

All in bonifide Truther fashion.
Thousands of pages of posts and you can see the cycle of the Truther......bizarre, psychotic, neurotic....plain old whacked out.
onemale

Pana, IL

#260708 Oct 12, 2013
Pegasus wrote:
<quoted text>Looks as though Zorderz here has had a change in the psychotropic meds this idiot basks in, notice how all Truthers share in the madness of big brother out to get them as they latch onto scumbags such as Alex Jones as a guardian and savior not only conveying the message of their master but adding blatant lies to the unproven conspiracy.
In short you can always see two sides of the Truther where one of those sides really only matter....the side that convinces the shrink to up the antein meds and keep the cuckoo disability "kiss in the mail" check rolling to the mailbox.
Opinions, Opinions, Opinions and Insults, Again
onemale

Pana, IL

#260709 Oct 12, 2013
Pegasus wrote:
<quoted text>How is the Koran treating you Zorderz?
Lately you seem to have a hair across your ass over other peoples religous beliefs ....then jumping to your Jones mantra , then back to your psycho jibber-jabber.
All in bonifide Truther fashion.
Thousands of pages of posts and you can see the cycle of the Truther......bizarre, psychotic, neurotic....plain old whacked out.
Oh yes, shoot the messenger.
Over 2000 years ago they even crucified one.

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