Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#260165 Oct 2, 2013
onemale wrote:
6 weeks later Mohamed Atta stood up and was alive in front of cameras at a Saudi Arabia television station!!
Ever find a link to this one OR WERE YOU LYING!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#260166 Oct 2, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. I suppose none can be trusted because evey one was a secret government shill. ROTFLMAO
Yup, Even though it was right off a major highway and many people that saw it were civilians, but hey, according to the tin foilers all the FDNY were in on it too.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#260167 Oct 2, 2013
To this day most people, including many architects and engineers, are not aware that a third skyscraper, World Trade Center Building 7, mysteriously collapsed along with the World Trade Center Twin Towers on September 11, 2001.

The official report on this building’s collapse by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has been challenged by many reputable and credentialed technical professionals.

The NIST analysis has not undergone the rigors of scientific peer review – the typical pathway for validating significant scientific theories. Chris Sarns’ research appears in Dr. David Ray Griffin’s book titled "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7.

"A definitive study of what happens when political concerns are permitted to override science and the scientific method. With intellectual finesse worthy of a scientist, Griffin shows that NIST's WTC 7 report has no scientific credibility.

A must read for all concerned with the restoration of science to its `rightful place' in our democracy."--John D. Wyndham, Ph.D., Physics, Cambridge University; former Research Fellow at the California Institute of Technology]" The studies below represent years of work by Chris in unraveling some of the most glaring inconsistencies and outright frauds in the NIST report on World Trade Center 7.

He demonstrates that the NIST’s theory of the fire-induced collapse of Building 7 is faulty and misleading.

The destruction of this skyscraper on September 11 was truly unprecedented in the history of high-rise buildings. More than 1,900 architects and engineers at AE911Truth are demanding a new investigation.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

You can discredit them all one by one, or all at once with a big hand-wave and a shout of bullshit.

But they ain't going away and they ain't buying your favorite official fairy tale story.

What's your PhD in, building sod houses?

Huh Eh !
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#260168 Oct 2, 2013
Nice loony essay!
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
To this day most people, including many architects and engineers, are not aware that a third skyscraper, World Trade Center Building 7, mysteriously collapsed along with the World Trade Center Twin Towers on September 11, 2001.
The official report on this building’s collapse by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has been challenged by many reputable and credentialed technical professionals.
The NIST analysis has not undergone the rigors of scientific peer review – the typical pathway for validating significant scientific theories. Chris Sarns’ research appears in Dr. David Ray Griffin’s book titled "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7.
"A definitive study of what happens when political concerns are permitted to override science and the scientific method. With intellectual finesse worthy of a scientist, Griffin shows that NIST's WTC 7 report has no scientific credibility.
A must read for all concerned with the restoration of science to its `rightful place' in our democracy."--John D. Wyndham, Ph.D., Physics, Cambridge University; former Research Fellow at the California Institute of Technology]" The studies below represent years of work by Chris in unraveling some of the most glaring inconsistencies and outright frauds in the NIST report on World Trade Center 7.
He demonstrates that the NIST’s theory of the fire-induced collapse of Building 7 is faulty and misleading.
The destruction of this skyscraper on September 11 was truly unprecedented in the history of high-rise buildings. More than 1,900 architects and engineers at AE911Truth are demanding a new investigation.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
You can discredit them all one by one, or all at once with a big hand-wave and a shout of bullshit.
But they ain't going away and they ain't buying your favorite official fairy tale story.
What's your PhD in, building sod houses?
Huh Eh !

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260169 Oct 2, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>Who would do the survey? Who would pay? What relevance would it have?
Well the fact is twoof could pay for independent experts to start this much needed "new investigation" right now by having independent verification of many of their claims which are based on information readily available right now.

As I said yesterday, they could have an independent analysis of the modelling data NIST used to prove their claims that the models were tweaked to get results that showed what NIST wanted.

They could send multiple samples of their twoofer dust to independent labs for analysis for the composition of compounds.

They could have an independent analysis of the fdr data from flight 77 to prove their claims that it shows 77 never hit the Pentagon.

There's all kinds of things twoofer masters like Jones, Gage, Griffin etc could do but instead they just continue to pander to their flock or spend 10's of thousands for bill boards that won't prove 911 was an inside jobbity jobbity jobbity job but may bring more sheep to the flock.

Jeez, when I say it like that it just sounds like a cult!

Huh, eh.

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#260171 Oct 2, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>Well the fact is twoof could pay for independent experts to start this much needed "new investigation" right now by having independent verification of many of their claims which are based on information readily available right now.

As I said yesterday, they could have an independent analysis of the modelling data NIST used to prove their claims that the models were tweaked to get results that showed what NIST wanted.

They could send multiple samples of their twoofer dust to independent labs for analysis for the composition of compounds.

They could have an independent analysis of the fdr data from flight 77 to prove their claims that it shows 77 never hit the Pentagon.

There's all kinds of things twoofer masters like Jones, Gage, Griffin etc could do but instead they just continue to pander to their flock or spend 10's of thousands for bill boards that won't prove 911 was an inside jobbity jobbity jobbity job but may bring more sheep to the flock.

Jeez, when I say it like that it just sounds like a cult!

Huh, eh.
Okay smear campaign cult, as you know, NIST didn't release their model to allow it to be peer reviewed. Heres a letter from Steven E. Jones requesting computer modeling data to peer review NISTs WTC report.

"To: Senator Mike Lee (Utah)
From:
Dr. Steven E. Jones
Professor of Physics, Ret.
[address given]

1. The key to good science is independent verification.
2. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was charged by Congress to explain the complete collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11/2001 (the 47-story building that was not hit by a plane).
3. NIST developed a computer model with adjustable parameters to explain the WTC 7 collapse.
4. I request that this WTC7-fall computer model be released immediately in a computer-ready form so that independent testing/verification can proceed. This model was developed using taxpayer funds.
5. In particular, NIST states in their 2008 report,
“The steel was assumed in the FDS model to be thermally-thin, thus, no thermal conductivity was used.” I challenge that assumption, and wish to insert into the computer model the known physical value for thermal conductivity, to see how this changes things.

6. There are now over 1,700 engineers and architects in the AE911Truth.org society, and I am confident that our combined expertise will permit us to perform the independent verification of the NIST WTC7 computer model, once that computer simulation is released in full to us, in computer-ready form.

7. Contact information for NIST:

Sincerely,

Dr. Steven E. Jones"

Now even if they release this computer program and its data, it still would not absolve them from the fact they could have not destroyed the physical evidence, and produced an actual investigation that proved what caused the complete collapse instead of a "probable collapse theory."

But instead of real investigation, lets just rely on the simple fact that

Insults Are Easier

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#260172 Oct 2, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
Would you like to start here?
onemale wrote:


But where is the plane?
Where are the holes in the building where the titanium engines should have been?
Why were the steel beams pushed outward instead of inward?
Where is the tail section that gets tore off during a plane crash?
Where is the indestructible landing gear?
All the plane parts found did NOT the match a Boeing 757.
Your claims are full of holes.
Didn't think so

“Turn left at pub Number 42”

Since: Dec 08

Homehill,QLD

#260173 Oct 2, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>

Dr. Steven E. Jones"
There are now over 1,700 engineers and architects in the AE911Truth.org society that have proved nothing.

Does that tell you something or do you need a map?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#260174 Oct 2, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup, Even though it was right off a major highway and many people that saw it were civilians, but hey, according to the tin foilers all the FDNY were in on it too.
Only govie shills drive on the freeway at that time of day. LMAO

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#260175 Oct 2, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
Well the fact is twoof could pay for independent experts to start this much needed "new investigation" right now by having independent verification of many of their claims which are based on information readily available right now.
As I said yesterday, they could have an independent analysis of the modelling data NIST used to prove their claims that the models were tweaked to get results that showed what NIST wanted.
They could send multiple samples of their twoofer dust to independent labs for analysis for the composition of compounds.
They could have an independent analysis of the fdr data from flight 77 to prove their claims that it shows 77 never hit the Pentagon.
There's all kinds of things twoofer masters like Jones, Gage, Griffin etc could do but instead they just continue to pander to their flock or spend 10's of thousands for bill boards that won't prove 911 was an inside jobbity jobbity jobbity job but may bring more sheep to the flock.
Jeez, when I say it like that it just sounds like a cult!
Huh, eh.
They couldn't do that.

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#260178 Oct 2, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
<quoted text>There are now over 1,700 engineers and architects in the AE911Truth.org society that have proved nothing.

Does that tell you something or do you need a map?
How do they prove anything after the evidence has been ignored and melted down?

Pretty simple question.

Insults Are Easier

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#260179 Oct 2, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>They couldn't do that.
Do you ever have anything to do other than sitting on Topix acting deceitful and insulting?

Insults Are Easier

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#260180 Oct 2, 2013
So in case you missed it Aussy booby, Dudley claims truth only wants billboards, yet heres a letter from Steven E. Jones requesting computer modeling data to peer review NISTs 9/11 probable theory.

"To: Senator Mike Lee (Utah)
From:
Dr. Steven E. Jones
Professor of Physics, Ret.
[address given]

1. The key to good science is independent verification.
2. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was charged by Congress to explain the complete collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11/2001 (the 47-story building that was not hit by a plane).
3. NIST developed a computer model with adjustable parameters to explain the WTC 7 collapse.
4. I request that this WTC7-fall computer model be released immediately in a computer-ready form so that independent testing/verification can proceed. This model was developed using taxpayer funds.
5. In particular, NIST states in their 2008 report,
“The steel was assumed in the FDS model to be thermally-thin, thus, no thermal conductivity was used.” I challenge that assumption, and wish to insert into the computer model the known physical value for thermal conductivity, to see how this changes things.

6. There are now over 1,700 engineers and architects in the AE911Truth.org society, and I am confident that our combined expertise will permit us to perform the independent verification of the NIST WTC7 computer model, once that computer simulation is released in full to us, in computer-ready form.

7. Contact information for NIST:

Sincerely,

Dr. Steven E. Jones"

So why if NIST wants to be peer reviewed, does NIST not release the modeling software and data to be peer reviewed.

Is it because

Insults Are Easier?
onemale

Pana, IL

#260181 Oct 3, 2013
When religion tells us "money is the root to all evil" this is what they are talking bout

The Rockefellers control politicians and government employees through secret organizations that they created and manage.
Part 1
&li st=PLE46D90F6E20B0B3F

The Trilateral Commission, the CFR and the Bilderberg Group are all controlled by the Rockefellers. Obama is in league with them.
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch...



“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260182 Oct 3, 2013
Awwww....poor Ignorance is Bliss!

His religion is being put on the spot and his high priests criticized for being nothing but charlatans!

Yet that's all they are.

1) I wouldn't trust Jones as far as I could throw him after his thermite paper has been reduced to being nothing more than a sham of a religious document meant only to pander to the belief based needs of his flock in having something, anything they can spam all over the Internet in the hopes of bring more sheep into the fold.

2) I posted about a young software (structural software) engineer who filed an FOIA request for modelling data months ago and he got what he requested.

Jones' ploy of not following a simple procedure but making a public demand of an official who couldn't acquiesce to such a demand even if he so desired is about as effective as wandering into your dentists office and demanding he release your pediatrists records on your feet!

And the cultists all say "booo!".

3) The cultists have repeatedly claimed NIST'S reports were not based on evidence yet with all the alleged technological and expert support they have, they can't figure out a way to show, using software I have on my work computer, that their theories are in fact correct.

All the information required to do so exists within the NIST reports. The fact is that the modelling data isn't even required as the report itself and available data on fires, materials, physics is freely available to anyone.

3) Twoof masters have the funds and the ability to prove multiple claims true or false yet oddly leave their sheep to base everything on belief rather than proof that would instantly transform twoof from a a flat earth like joke into something tangible that relevant experts couldn't ignore.

But sheep don't require proof, they just require scripture utilizes by the various street corner Jesus's who stand on the internets intersections asking,

"Have you heard the word of twoof today?".

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260183 Oct 3, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
<quoted text>There are now over 1,700 engineers and architects in the AE911Truth.org society that have proved nothing.

Does that tell you something or do you need a map?
Being a BLEEVER he doesn't require proof, just scripture to cite to the non-believers.

go
twoof
gone

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260184 Oct 3, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>They couldn't do that.
They won't.

Their cash cow depends on nothing more than faith...why do anything more?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260185 Oct 3, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
So in case you missed it Aussy booby, Dudley claims truth only wants billboards, yet heres a letter from Steven E. Jones requesting computer modeling data to peer review NISTs 9/11 probable theory.

"To: Senator Mike Lee (Utah)
From:
Dr. Steven E. Jones
Professor of Physics, Ret.
[address given]

1. The key to good science is independent verification.
2. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) was charged by Congress to explain the complete collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11/2001 (the 47-story building that was not hit by a plane).
3. NIST developed a computer model with adjustable parameters to explain the WTC 7 collapse.
4. I request that this WTC7-fall computer model be released immediately in a computer-ready form so that independent testing/verification can proceed. This model was developed using taxpayer funds.
5. In particular, NIST states in their 2008 report,
“The steel was assumed in the FDS model to be thermally-thin, thus, no thermal conductivity was used.” I challenge that assumption, and wish to insert into the computer model the known physical value for thermal conductivity, to see how this changes things.

6. There are now over 1,700 engineers and architects in the AE911Truth.org society, and I am confident that our combined expertise will permit us to perform the independent verification of the NIST WTC7 computer model, once that computer simulation is released in full to us, in computer-ready form.

7. Contact information for NIST:

Sincerely,

Dr. Steven E. Jones"

So why if NIST wants to be peer reviewed, does NIST not release the modeling software and data to be peer reviewed.

Is it because

Insults Are Easier?
Not billboards, just more mindless sheep like you!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#260186 Oct 3, 2013
Is it just coincidence that twoofers are to a man scientifically illiterate fools who have fallen for other conspiracy theories that can't stand up to scientific scrutiny?

Like moon landing hoax, anti-vaxxers, chem trails...etc.

Is it surprising they fall for unsupported claims like "the towers fell at free fall speed", free fall=cd, molten steel=cd...etc.

Is anyone shocked that as twoofer claims like "the only way to produce iron microspheres is by thermite" are proven false they just ignore that fact and resist the need to re-evaluate their beliefs?

Well, as a cult, twoof doesn't conform to the need for scientific rigour so it shouldn't be surprising or shocking to anyone.
Charlie Sheen

Plattsmouth, NE

#260187 Oct 3, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Only govie shills drive on the freeway at that time of day. LMAO
It's that secret network of NWO tollbooths.

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