Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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Basingstoke, UK

#259294 Sep 17, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>You better hope it never goes mainstream. It gets torn to shreds here, think what would happen if acadamia got ahold of it.
Here's the link to Dave Thomas' experiment;
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php...
That's an example of what closer inspection of twoof would result in...just further proof it's a sham used by shysters like Gage to make a quick buck and dumb down the populous in turn.
Funny how Gages efforts are always to do nothing more than advertise rather than conduct real experiments using unbiased labs/scientists to prove the claims he adopted when he went full stupid.
Interesting experiment but I don't think it would account for the vast amount of Previously molten iron spheres found in the dust.
The amount of these spheres in the WTC dust was so great that the EPAís WTC panel discussed their use as one of the signature components to distinguish the WTC dust from background dust, i.e. common office-building dust.
Would you accept that iron rich microspheres are also a by product of a thermitic reaction?....as I would.

It's because of questions raised by groups like the 2000 members of AE FOR 911 truth that it needs to go mainstream in order to get to the bottom of all this.
Personally I've seen enough to warrant such a thing...we shall see.

Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259295 Sep 17, 2013
Dr. Steven Jones says he found evidence of controlled demolition on Ground Zero in the form of Sulfur and Iron Spheres in the dust sample.

Sulfur is found in gypsum board
Iron Spheres come from flyash found in structural concrete, magnetic printer toner, torch-cutting of steel beams as part of the cleanup, aircraft impact, collapse,
The iron-rich content of all dust samples was between 0.1 and 1.3%. Not high enough to suggest it came from large amounts of melted steel.
Could have been there before collapse created during the construction of of one of the many buildings in NY.
Iron Spheres could be created by oxidation or chemical reactions during moderate office fires.
who wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting experiment but I don't think it would account for the vast amount of Previously molten iron spheres found in the dust.
The amount of these spheres in the WTC dust was so great that the EPAís WTC panel discussed their use as one of the signature components to distinguish the WTC dust from background dust, i.e. common office-building dust.
Would you accept that iron rich microspheres are also a by product of a thermitic reaction?....as I would.
It's because of questions raised by groups like the 2000 members of AE FOR 911 truth that it needs to go mainstream in order to get to the bottom of all this.
Personally I've seen enough to warrant such a thing...we shall see.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259296 Sep 17, 2013
MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY

MEANS: Dick Cheney and the Secret Service

As the 9/11 plot unfolded, it has been reported that Secret Service whisked Dick Cheney into an underground presidential bunker at 9:03. 1 This establishes that the Secret Service was in the loop giving orders by at least 9:03, and almost certainly much earlier, as we will show.

Former counter-terrorism advisor Richard Clarke writes in Against All Enemies: "Secret Service had a system that allowed them to see what FAA's radar was seeing." The Kean Commission (also known as the 9/11 Commission) would have us believe that the chain of command on 9/11 was a complex web, but in reality the Secret Service had the authority to communicate presidential and vice presidential orders directly to fighter pilots in the air. 2

In Air War Over America, a book commissioned by the Air Force documenting the morning of 9/11, it is stated that the FAA contacted Otis Air Force base informing them Flight 11 was headed to Manhattan and had lost its identification signal by 8:30. 3 This indicates Secret Service was in the loop by the same time, or shortly thereafter, since they are able to see FAA radar screens in real time and FAA is reaching out to the military. There is no question that by 8:45 at the absolute latest, likely much earlier, Secret Service is in the decision-making loop. They were most likely in the loop after 8:15 when flight 11 turned its transponder off.

National Special Security Event
It is the Secret Service who has the legal mandate to take supreme command in case of a scheduled major event - or an unplanned major emergency - on American soil; these are designated "National Special Security Events." The Atlanta Olympic Games and the Republican & Democratic National Conventions are notable examples of NSSE's. In preparation, the Secret Service runs training initiatives of simulated attacks and field exercises for such events. 4

The Secret Service works with state and local authorities as well as the military to coordinate security efforts; it has the best communication system of any agency in the country; and its personnel are always present with both the President and Vice President - making it the perfect agency to take supreme command in case of a major emergency on American soil. 5

When 9/11 occurred, the legal framework was in place to allow the Secret Service to take supreme command over any and all American agencies, including the Air Force. 6

Richard Clarke writes in Against All Enemies: "I was amazed at the speed of the decisions coming from Cheney and, through him, from Bush." 7 This is to be expected. Everything was in place for the Commander in Chief to be calling all the shots as the 9/11 plot unfolded, but Bush was in an elementary school reading about goats with Secret Service agents right beside him.

Bush's Secret Service detail was in real-time communication not only with the FAA, but also the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center), into which Dick Cheney had reportedly been whisked by the Secret Service. While Bush continued his elementary school photo-op after being told, "America is under attack," Ari Fleischer - according to the Washington Times, 10/7/02 - caught the president's eye and held up a handwritten sign that said "DON'T SAY ANYTHING YET." 8 Bush was intentionally being kept out of the decision-making loop during the critical moments of 9/11. The Vice President has no place in the official military chain of command.9

Thus far we have established that:

Secret Service was the supreme command on 9/11.
Bush was not in the role of Commander in Chief at critical times on 9/11.
The acting Commander in Chief as the 9/11 plot unfolded was Dick Cheney.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011...
who

Basingstoke, UK

#259297 Sep 17, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
Dr. Steven Jones says he found evidence of controlled demolition on Ground Zero in the form of Sulfur and Iron Spheres in the dust sample.
Sulfur is found in gypsum board
Iron Spheres come from flyash found in structural concrete, magnetic printer toner, torch-cutting of steel beams as part of the cleanup, aircraft impact, collapse,
The iron-rich content of all dust samples was between 0.1 and 1.3%. Not high enough to suggest it came from large amounts of melted steel.
Could have been there before collapse created during the construction of of one of the many buildings in NY.
Iron Spheres could be created by oxidation or chemical reactions during moderate office fires.
<quoted text>
And it's also a by product of a thermitic reaction.
There were billions of these things.
Look we will just have to agree to disagree, as I see little point in arguing over it on the Internet, I'd like the media address these issues....I believe that such a thing is not too far away.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259298 Sep 17, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
MEANS MOTIVE OPPORTUNITY
But no evidence, right now most of the population has "MEANS MOTIVE & OPPORTUNITY" to rob a bank, if a bank is robbed according to your myopic viewpoint millions of people did it.
onemale

Pana, IL

#259299 Sep 17, 2013
Doesn't this blow a huge hole though the official story???

According to the official story, all 4 of the flight recorder boxes were not found in the twin tower rubble, they vaporized with the plane. These boxes are made from the most indestructible material known to mankind...

But also according to the official story, a single PAPER passport flew out of Mohamed Atta's pocket and survived UNDAMAGED and they found it under 6 inches of DUST.(They said they found it on the ground, of course they failed to mention the covering of dust on the ground... how convenient)

What kind of fire can vaporize indestructible flight recorders, but a paper passport survives undamaged???

And we are suppose to believe this crap???
Who writes this stuff???
This makes my head swim!!!

But it gets better... 6 weeks later Mohamed Atta stood up and was alive in front of cameras at a Saudi Arabia television station!!!

But it gets better yet... None of the alleged hijackers have been found on any flight manifest on 9/11

Perhaps a Physicist or a Scientist could explain how all of this is possible... but I really doubt it.

The clues are everywhere you just have to look... it isn't Rocket Science to figure out, we have been lied to.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#259300 Sep 17, 2013
who wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting experiment but I don't think it would account for the vast amount of Previously molten iron spheres found in the dust.
The amount of these spheres in the WTC dust was so great that the EPA’s WTC panel discussed their use as one of the signature components to distinguish the WTC dust from background dust, i.e. common office-building dust.
Would you accept that iron rich microspheres are also a by product of a thermitic reaction?....as I would.

It's because of questions raised by groups like the 2000 members of AE FOR 911 truth that it needs to go mainstream in order to get to the bottom of all this.
Personally I've seen enough to warrant such a thing...we shall see.
Here's the facts that completely nullify the whole argument about thermite:

1) Harrit claimed the only way to produce iron rich sphere was by thermite. He was lying. Iron rich spheres can be produced by normal fires, welding, grinding, friction and of course thermite reactions.

2) The energy density on the material burned in the Bentham paper was found to be around 2-3 times higher than that of thermite. The experiment was done in air rather than an inert environment which would have proven a reaction similar to thermite.

3) There is to date still no evidence for a thermite reaction taking place. No visual or tell tale signs of load bearing components melted in a position as to facilitate collapse.

4) The difficulties in using thermite to melt load bearing columns would be quite adverse to using it in such a way.

5) No one has shown any proof the volume of spheres as found in Harrit, Jones et al dust was such that it couldn't be explained by the fires, the original construction of the buildings and/or years of it standing in an urban environment.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#259301 Sep 17, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>But no evidence, right now most of the population has "MEANS MOTIVE & OPPORTUNITY" to rob a bank, if a bank is robbed according to your myopic viewpoint millions of people did it.
And of course OBL offered his motive years before the attacks.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259302 Sep 17, 2013
Hi Panty sniffing liar,

See, the paper blew out the building along with endless other ones, black boxes are not indestructible, specially when sledgehammered by endless concrete slabs.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259303 Sep 17, 2013
onemale wrote:
These boxes are made from the most indestructible material known to mankind...
What kind of fire can vaporize indestructible flight recorders,
Black boxes not indestructible

Let's keep in mind that black boxes have been destroyed by impact or fire before.
April 28, 1999

HEADLINE: KAL MD-11 crew complained of control problems: CVR
SOURCE: Air Transport Intelligence
BYLINE: Nicholas Ionides
DATELINE: Singapore

The crew of the Korean Air (KAL) Boeing MD-11 freighter which crashed near Shanghai on 15 April complained to each other of control problems soon after take-off, according to an initial decoding of the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder (CVR)...
The CAAC, which is being assisted in its investigation by the NTSB and the Korean Civil Aviation Bureau, says the aircraft's flight data recorder was destroyed by the impact, "and only fragments of the tape have been recovered".

June 6, 1999, Sunday, AM cycle

HEADLINE: One year later, crash of rescue helicopter still a mystery
DATELINE: HARLINGEN, Texas

Three emergency team members died June 5, 1998, when their a Eurocopter A350BA crashed six miles southeast of Cuevitas at about 5:40 a.m. on the way to a major accident.

The victims were Carlos De La Fuente Sr., a 34-year-old flight nurse; paramedic Brenda Leinweber, 46, of South Padre Island; and pilot Anthony Martinez, 46, of McAllen.

The helicopter was not found until the next day at 9:45 a.m., thirty hours later. Searchers were hampered by thick brush because very little of the helicopter remained. Even the flight data recorder had been destroyed.

Barrie Examiner (Ontario)

October 20, 2004 Wednesday
Final Edition

HALIFAX (CP)-- Investigators searching for the cause of the crash last week of a Boeing 747 cargo jet won't get to hear from the two people who may have known exactly what happened.

After days of searching swampy, scorched terrain outside Halifax, officials recovered the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder from a kilometre-long trail of mangled debris.

"But that's the good news," Bill Fowler, lead investigator for the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, said during a news conference Tuesday.

"The not-so-good news is the recorder was damaged such that there is no retrievable information."

The so-called black box, which records the cockpit conversations of the pilot and co-pilot, was destroyed by fire after the MK Airlines Ltd. jumbo jet crashed on takeoff last Thursday at Halifax International Airport.

Fowler said the recorder was found Monday and shipped to the board's lab in Ottawa.

It was quickly determined that no recording survived the fire that resulted when the jet, carrying a full load of fuel, hit the ground and broke up.

"It certainly would have helped, but we were operating under the assumption we wouldn't have it," said Fowler, referring to the severity of the impact.
A second black box -- the plane's flight data recorder -- was recovered Sunday. That instrument, which monitors aircraft function and performance, was also damaged, but investigators are hopeful it will offer fresh clues.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259304 Sep 17, 2013
Flight International

January 30, 2007

An investigation into the loss of two Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNLF) Boeing CH-47D Chinook transport helicopters in Afghanistan in 2005 has identified pilot error and a lack of experience in operating in difficult terrain as the main causes in both non-fatal accidents.On 27 July 2005, the crew of Chinook D-105 were flying a night mission as part of a two-ship formation to resupply Special Forces personnel, but were forced to abandon their initial landing attempt when the lead aircraft created brown-out conditions. During their second attempt, the pilots failed to notice a left-hand drift, which caused the aircraft to roll over when it touched down. Although the crew evacuated safely, the aircraft and its flight data recorder were destroyed in the resulting fire.

So perhaps it's no surprise that a Chicago Tribune story at the time expressed doubt over the survival of the Flight 11 and 175 recorders:

"experts doubted whether all the recorders would be found. The devices aboard the two planes that rammed the World Trade Center towers probably couldn't survive the crash impact and the resulting fires, they said"

www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0109140... (broken now)
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259305 Sep 17, 2013
onemale wrote:
But it gets better... 6 weeks later Mohamed Atta stood up and was alive in front of cameras at a Saudi Arabia television station!!!
LINK Liar!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259306 Sep 17, 2013
onemale wrote:
None of the alleged hijackers have been found on any flight manifest on 9/11
FALSE LIAR!

The manifest with ALL the hijacker names!

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/No_hijacker...
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#259307 Sep 17, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't need to it's already been done.
LINK to a filmed interview with a hijacker post 9-11 OR ARE YOU LYING AGAIN PANTY SNIFFER!

“Bright Waters House ”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#259308 Sep 17, 2013
why dont they make the planes out of most indestructible material known to mankind !?!?!?!?!?
onemale wrote:
Doesn't this blow a huge hole though the official story???
According to the official story, all 4 of the flight recorder boxes were not found in the twin tower rubble, they vaporized with the plane. These boxes are made from the most indestructible material known to mankind...
But also according to the official story, a single PAPER passport flew out of Mohamed Atta's pocket and survived UNDAMAGED and they found it under 6 inches of DUST.(They said they found it on the ground, of course they failed to mention the covering of dust on the ground... how convenient)
What kind of fire can vaporize indestructible flight recorders, but a paper passport survives undamaged???
And we are suppose to believe this crap???
Who writes this stuff???
This makes my head swim!!!
But it gets better... 6 weeks later Mohamed Atta stood up and was alive in front of cameras at a Saudi Arabia television station!!!
But it gets better yet... None of the alleged hijackers have been found on any flight manifest on 9/11
Perhaps a Physicist or a Scientist could explain how all of this is possible... but I really doubt it.
The clues are everywhere you just have to look... it isn't Rocket Science to figure out, we have been lied to.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259309 Sep 17, 2013
who wrote:
<quoted text>
You're mistaken.
Prove it.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259311 Sep 17, 2013
MOTIVE: Peak Oil

By definition, world hydrocarbon (oil and gas) production peaks when half the planet's reserves have been used up. After that point, every barrel of oil will be harder to find, more expensive to obtain, and more valuable to whoever controls it. Many of the world's foremost experts place that peak between 2000 and 2007.

We live in a global economic system based on endless growth, and that growth is only possible with endless hydrocarbons to burn. Demand for oil and gas is increasing at staggering rates; after peak, there will be demand that simply cannot be met, and energy prices will rise inexorably.

The resulting economic catastrophe may see oil hit $100 per barrel before the end of this decade. Oil not only keeps us warm and moves our cars, it is used to make all plastics and is, together with natural gas, the most important ingredient keeping modern agriculture afloat. It is a little known fact that for every 1 calorie of food energy produced, 10 calories of hydrocarbons are consumed. 10

We eat oil.

Without cheap oil, billions of people will freeze or starve and unfortunately, there is no combination of renewable energy sources that can replace oil and gas consumption without massive conservation efforts that are nowhere in sight.

Cheney knew about this.

There are no national plans for conservation in America. As Dick Cheney has stated, "The American way of life is not negotiable." Over-consumption is as American as apple pie. Many industry experts have been speaking to the reality of Peak Oil for some time. One of those experts - perhaps the most prominent in the world - was in Dick Cheney's National Energy Policy Development Group (NEPDG).

Just four days after Dick Cheney became Vice President he convened the NEPDG. 11 Among the experts whose opinion Cheney paid for (with taxpayer dollars) was Matthew Simmons, one of the most respected energy investment bankers in the world. Simmons has been speaking out about Peak Oil for years, and there is no question that the urgent story of Peak Oil is what he told Cheney's NEPDG.

The content of the NEPDG documentation has been illegally withheld from the American public with a rubber stamp of approval from the Supreme Court. FTW has always contended that the deepest, darkest secrets of 9/11 are in those documents. That's why they've been guarded so tightly.

Cheney knew about Peak Oil in 1999 as CEO of Halliburton, long before was Vice President. A speech he gave at the London Institute of Petroleum demonstrates this clearly. 12

As stated in Crossing the Rubicon, "By way of confirmation, people in and close to the oil industry are reporting that increased drilling is not resulting as yet in significantly increased supply." 13

A crisis of this magnitude required a crisis plan, something the Neo-Liberals didn't have. The Neo-Conservatives, including Dick Cheney, had such a plan: manufacture a crisis - one that had long been imagined as necessary by elite planners inside the national security state 14- and use it to maintain permanent war to steal the world's last remaining hydrocarbons and temporarily stave off the Peak Oil crisis.

We've been in Iraq and Afghanistan for more than 10 years now. Has the price of gasoline gone down yet?

Can you say "THE PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY"?

Sure you can. I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.

Sure ... There you Did it!

Yeeeaaahhh !

The bwunkers don't believe in "Abiotic Oil" do they?

Why that's a conspiracy theory isn't it!

Then they must believe in "Peak Oil" right! The same as Cheney and big oil families like Shrubco.
The ones who did 9/11.

Huh eh !

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011...

Tired Of Bull Sh-t

Mill Valley, CA

#259312 Sep 17, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
why dont they make the planes out of most indestructible material known to mankind !?!?!?!?!?
<quoted text>
Why don't you Shut The Fuhk Up?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259313 Sep 17, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
Hi Panty sniffing liar,
See, the paper blew out the building along with endless other ones, black boxes are not indestructible, specially when sledgehammered by endless concrete slabs.
Can you show us a link that points to your youtube videos of endless concrete slabs sledgehammering indestructible black boxes with endless other paper ones blowing by?

LINK Please !

Huh Eh !
who

Basingstoke, UK

#259314 Sep 17, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove it.
Around half of all Americans doubt the official account....that's more than a few don't you think?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/new-poll-finds-m...

Critical mass is a bitch.

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