Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

KittyKat

Chico, CA

#259210 Sep 15, 2013
Consensus 9/11: New Truths Dispelling Old Lies

by Stephen Lendman

A previous article explained the following:

Consensus 9/11 seeks "best evidence" proof. It does so to dispel official story falsehoods. It's founded on:

"(1) The opinions of respected authorities, based on professional experience, descriptive studies, and reports of expert committees.

(2) Physical data in the form of photographs, videotapes, court testimony, witness reports, and FOIA releases.

(3) Direct rather than circumstantial evidence."

Determining "best evidence" depends on "integrating individual professional expertise with the best available documentary and scientific evidence."

Simplified Delphi methodology is followed. It's often used "where published information is inadequate or non-existent." Experts use "best evidence" to determine truth.

Doing so is similar to how doctors diagnose illnesses. It's like forecasts made on best judgments.

It's based on the principle that structured groups of individuals are more accurate than unstructured ones.

It encourages revisions based on new evidence. It's a way to determine truth. It's done so independently and objectively. Its track record shows effectiveness.

9/11 is the Big Lie of our time. Distinguished scholars like David Ray Griffin researched it exhaustively. In 10 books, articles and lectures, he provided evidence too important to ignore.

In April 2006, he discussed "9/11: The Myth and the Reality," saying:

"It would seem, for many reasons, that the official story of 9/11, which has served as a religious Myth in the intervening years (and still does), is a myth in the pejorative sense of a story that does not correspond to reality."

In September 2008, Griffin headlined his article "September 11, 2001: 21 Reasons to Question the Official Story about 9/11."

The FBI admitted it "ha(d) no hard evidence connecting" 9/11 to bin Laden.

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2013/09/consens...
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#259211 Sep 15, 2013
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2013/09/consens...
So-called devout Muslim alleged hijackers drank heavily, frequented strip clubs and paid for sex.

Technology in 2001 made cell phone calls made from above 30,000 feet impossible.

The FBI lied claiming Mohamed Atta's left behind luggage contained "decisive evidence" about Al Qaeda responsibility for the attacks.

Passports allegedly found at United 93's crash site were fake ones.

Alleged hijackers weren't aboard the four fateful flights.

Standing operating intercept procedures weren't followed.

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta said Dick Cheney "apparently confirmed a stand-down order" prior to an alleged plane striking the Pentagon.

The 9/11 whitewash Commission deleted Mineta's comment from its official report.

Secret Service agents let Bush remain at a Sarasota, FL school for 30 minutes after learning about the second twin tower strike.

Standard procedure calls for securing his safety immediately in case of potential danger.

Jet fuel doesn't heat high enough to melt or cause rigid steel columns to crumble.

Doing so is "scientifically impossible." Controlled demolitions destroyed both towers. Building 7 fell the same way. Griffin included other spurious lies.

He concluded saying growing numbers of "physicists, chemists, architects, engineers, pilots, former military officers, and former intelligence officers reject the official 9/11 myth."

It's a bald-faced lie. It's the Big Lie of our time. It launched 12 years of direct and proxy wars. It facilitated homeland repression.

The worst of what happened shows no signs of ending. New wars are planned. Freedom is being systematically destroyed. America more than ever is unfit to live in. Humanity's increasingly threatened.

Consensus 9/11 "Factual Evidence Contradicts the 9/11 story." Its official account:

launched multiple wars of aggression;

"authorize(d) torture, military tribunals, and extraordinary rendition(s);" and

replaced constitutional freedoms with tyranny.

Official 9/11 claims are refuted by "scientific consensus best evidence." Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Consensus 9/11 compiled 37 important Consensus Points.
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#259212 Sep 15, 2013
square wave wrote:
<quoted text>Lol
Lies, damn lies, and utter bullshyt
Whatsamatta nukfugget? Cat got yer tongue?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#259213 Sep 15, 2013
You go KittyKat.

The TRUTH inflames these fuhkwad bwunkers.

When they can not refute your information,

All they can do is cry bullshit,

Dismiss your source,

Call you a third grade name with derision and kindergarten ridicule.

It's all a very desperate attempt to understand that they have been lied to by the men they voted for who have betrayed them.

Huh Eh !

Since: Sep 13

Union, NJ

#259214 Sep 15, 2013
What is this twang about a government conspiracy? Do you disbelievers understand the logistics to keep such a profound conspiracy under wraps?
The terrorists themselves had to make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised.
who

Reading, UK

#259215 Sep 15, 2013
Seventyeighteen wrote:
What is this twang about a government conspiracy? Do you disbelievers understand the logistics to keep such a profound conspiracy under wraps?
The terrorists themselves had to make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised.
Hardly under wraps is it.
Millions of Americans alone are aware of it, it's only the corporate media that won't ask any follow up Questions, and if it's not on the television it's not real to the average bovine cud munching dipshit.
Truth will out despite them and their bullshit...it's only a matter of time.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259216 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
bad waste of good water, You have no proof anything is false.
It's more a matter of what We don't believe. Like the govie's version of events.
Huh Eh !
Every bit of that nonsense has already been completely debunked. You never discuss the actual issues. You simply dismiss all the evidence due to your paranoid bias against the government. Various government agencies were charged with collecting evidence, interviewing witnesses and putting the events into perspective. All would have had to be part of your so called "govie conspiracy". Your claim that thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acted to obstruct justice is both preposterous and paranoiac.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259217 Sep 15, 2013
KittyKat wrote:
<quoted text>Really SFB? Can you even read?
For example:"Official Flight Data from the NTSB proves conclusively that Flight 77 could not possibly have crashed into the Pentagon. Flight 77 was at an altitude of 273 feet within less than two seconds of 'impact'. Source: NTSB, Pilots for 911 Truth, FOIA request, official computer data from NTSB."
That is false huh?
You just screwed the pooch dickless wonder.
1. A C130 pilot witnessed the event.

2. Hundreds of people on the ground witnessed the event.

3. Remains of both passengers and the plane were collected and photographed inside the Pentagon

Three strikes, you are out.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259218 Sep 15, 2013
Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney

by
Michael Kane

January 18, 2005 (FTW)- In an argument of over 600 pages and 1,000 footnotes, Crossing the Rubicon makes the case for official complicity within the U.S. government and names Dick Cheney as the prime suspect in the crimes of 9/11. Since the publication of this book (to which I had the privilege of contributing a chapter), many people have asked to hear the case against Cheney argued "short & sweet."

I will make it as short as possible, but it can never be sweet.

There are 3 major points made within this book that are crucial to proving Cheney's guilt. I shall first list them and then go on to prove each point as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon.

Means - Dick Cheney and the Secret Service: Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11.

The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time.

They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency.

Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. Just where does the BUCK stop?

Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it.

Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime." (Click here for a summary of these points)

Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens.

These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded.

The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding.

These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management.

Here is the supporting documentation as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon, making a legal case against Dick Cheney for the crimes of 9/11.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011...

Decide for yourself.

Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259219 Sep 15, 2013
KittyKat wrote:
<quoted text>Really SFB? Can you even read?
For example:"Official Flight Data from the NTSB proves conclusively that Flight 77 could not possibly have crashed into the Pentagon. Flight 77 was at an altitude of 273 feet within less than two seconds of 'impact'. Source: NTSB, Pilots for 911 Truth, FOIA request, official computer data from NTSB."
That is false huh?
You just screwed the pooch dickless wonder.
Why not? The plane was traveling over 500mph. That's at least 733 feet per second. Are you claiming the plane could not descend 273' when it was about 1,500' out? FYI, that's 11.2 degrees, well within the capability of the aircraft.

Learn some basic math dog breath.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259220 Sep 15, 2013
Dear waste of water

Please show where I claimed this!

"Your claim that thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acted to obstruct justice is both preposterous and paranoiac."

I never claimed any such thing.

If you are going to lie at least back it up with facts.

I think everybody involved did their job as well as they could (failing miserably as intended) however obstructed by the few vested politicians and businessmen at the top pulling the strings.

However your claim that it took "thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acting to obstruct justice" is what is preposterous and a downright lie.

Its an old trick called "compartmentalization ".

I realize that's a pretty long word for you but try to say it slowly. You'll do fine.

Everyone simply does their one little job, not knowing why or the result. Always acting under orders from their superiors who were told to do what they did by their superiors and on up the chain of command. As always you do not question the orders of your superiors.

Show me one FDNY personnel who went into the WTC buildings to save lives who knew they were involved with obstructing justice.

But you sure can't get them to talk now that they know how they were fooled by those at the top who told their more immediate bosses what to do.

Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259221 Sep 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
1. A C130 pilot witnessed the event.
2. Hundreds of people on the ground witnessed the event.
3. Remains of both passengers and the plane were collected and photographed inside the Pentagon
Three strikes, you are out.
As usual you provide no LINKS or any type of PROOF. Why should anyone take your wasted word for anything?

Home run.

Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259222 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual you provide no LINKS or any type of PROOF. Why should anyone take your wasted word for anything?
Home run.
Huh Eh !
These links have been provided numerous times. Don't like truth much do you Twoofer?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259223 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Dear waste of water
Please show where I claimed this!
"Your claim that thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acted to obstruct justice is both preposterous and paranoiac."
I never claimed any such thing.
If you are going to lie at least back it up with facts.
I think everybody involved did their job as well as they could (failing miserably as intended) however obstructed by the few vested politicians and businessmen at the top pulling the strings.
However your claim that it took "thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acting to obstruct justice" is what is preposterous and a downright lie.
Its an old trick called "compartmentalization ".
I realize that's a pretty long word for you but try to say it slowly. You'll do fine.
Everyone simply does their one little job, not knowing why or the result. Always acting under orders from their superiors who were told to do what they did by their superiors and on up the chain of command. As always you do not question the orders of your superiors.
Show me one FDNY personnel who went into the WTC buildings to save lives who knew they were involved with obstructing justice.
But you sure can't get them to talk now that they know how they were fooled by those at the top who told their more immediate bosses what to do.
Huh Eh !
Your blanket statement dismissing all the government evidence makes this your claim. The fact that you cannot connect the dots is noted.

You have dismissed this site previously have you not?

http://www.debunking911.com/

This site contains testimony of people who were there. You have claimed all this to be part of your so called "govie conspiracy." Why lie about it now? If all this testimony is dismissed as part of your "govie conspiracy" then it follows that all was obstruction of justice. Your claim would be obstruction of justice would it not, assuming thousands of FBI, NYPD, NYFD, ATF, and other agencies all colluded to cover up the truth.

What is this so called chain of command you allude too?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259225 Sep 15, 2013
Seventyeighteen wrote:
What is this twang about a government conspiracy? Do you disbelievers understand the logistics to keep such a profound conspiracy under wraps?
The terrorists themselves had to make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised.
If the alleged terrorists wanted or needed to

"make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised."

Then why didn't they simply fly directly to their intended targets?

Instead they flew hundreds of miles out of their way before turning around and conveniently turning off their transponders at an area of compromised radar coverage. How did they know where they were?

Flying time for the four hijacked airliners indicates a total of one hour and twenty-five minutes elapsed between the time that Boston Air Traffic Control lost contact with the first allegedly hijacked Flight 11 and the Pentagon was allegedly attacked by flight 77.

If they had really wanted to attack the US, they could have dove an aircraft into Indian Point Energy Center, a three-unit nuclear power plant station located north of NYC and this country would still be burying people.

Huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259226 Sep 15, 2013
It's obvious that any point of view can be vetted by what you find on the internet.

You go to so-called debwunking 9/11 sites.

I go to other types of sites.

You blindly believe your govie's claims.

I do not.

So our points of view are different.

I do not care what you believe and am not interested in converting you to my point of view.

My govie has lied to me before and will again.

How can I ever really believe it any more?

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Some people are fooled all their lives.

Especially the ones who believe a liar.

Huh Eh !
Seventyeighteen

United States

#259227 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
If the alleged terrorists wanted or needed to
"make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised."
Then why didn't they simply fly directly to their intended targets?
Instead they flew hundreds of miles out of their way before turning around and conveniently turning off their transponders at an area of compromised radar coverage. How did they know where they were?
Flying time for the four hijacked airliners indicates a total of one hour and twenty-five minutes elapsed between the time that Boston Air Traffic Control lost contact with the first allegedly hijacked Flight 11 and the Pentagon was allegedly attacked by flight 77.
If they had really wanted to attack the US, they could have dove an aircraft into Indian Point Energy Center, a three-unit nuclear power plant station located north of NYC and this country would still be burying people.
Huh eh !
Place yourself in any of the terrorists shoes, take your seat knowing that you need time to allow your co-terrorists to become airborne therefore allowing the other 3 jets to appear harmless and on their routes.
Time was needed to take out the pilot and co-pilot then disable the transponders, remain at cruise, utilize your line of sight, push the throttles forward and hit the target.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259228 Sep 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Your blanket statement dismissing all the government evidence makes this your claim. The fact that you cannot connect the dots is noted.
You have dismissed this site previously have you not?
http://www.debunking911.com/
This site contains testimony of people who were there. You have claimed all this to be part of your so called "govie conspiracy." Why lie about it now? If all this testimony is dismissed as part of your "govie conspiracy" then it follows that all was obstruction of justice. Your claim would be obstruction of justice would it not, assuming thousands of FBI, NYPD, NYFD, ATF, and other agencies all colluded to cover up the truth.
What is this so called chain of command you allude too?
Dear waste of good water. You act and sound like a govie lackey but you say you don't know what the "chain of command" is.

Let me help you out with this strange term.

Definition: "Chain Of Command"

The order in which authority and power in an organization is wielded and delegated from top management to every employee at every lower level of the organization. Instructions flow downward along the chain of command and accountability flows upward.

According to its proponent Henri Fayol (1841-1925), the more clear cut the chain of command, the more effective the decision making process and greater the efficiency.

Military forces and government are an example of straight chain of command that extends in unbroken line from the top brass to ranks. Also called line of command.

See Cheney is at the top. And the poor slob FDNY who stupidly ran into a burning building that was about to explode and collapse is at the bottom.

Only the guy at the top knows completely what is going on. The guy at the bottom is just following orders given to him by his immediate superior who also doesn't know what all is going on.

I'm glad we cleared up this little misconception on your part.

I heard it in the Navy that when you learn something, quit for the day.

I'm glad you learned something today waste of water. But I bet you don't quit and are just following orders.

Huh eh !
Seventyeighteen

United States

#259229 Sep 15, 2013
At 30,000 feet you can see approx 180 nm.
Not to shabby to see two huge buildings or say a massive pentagon.
I think a kamikaze pilot would suffice to prove my point scale wise.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259230 Sep 15, 2013
I see you've named yourself after a type of welding rod 7018.

Makes sense!

Huh Eh !

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