Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#259218 Sep 15, 2013
Crossing the Rubicon
Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney

by
Michael Kane

January 18, 2005 (FTW)- In an argument of over 600 pages and 1,000 footnotes, Crossing the Rubicon makes the case for official complicity within the U.S. government and names Dick Cheney as the prime suspect in the crimes of 9/11. Since the publication of this book (to which I had the privilege of contributing a chapter), many people have asked to hear the case against Cheney argued "short & sweet."

I will make it as short as possible, but it can never be sweet.

There are 3 major points made within this book that are crucial to proving Cheney's guilt. I shall first list them and then go on to prove each point as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon.

Means - Dick Cheney and the Secret Service: Dick Cheney was running a completely separate chain of Command & Control via the Secret Service, assuring the paralysis of Air Force response on 9/11.

The Secret Service has the technology to see the same radar screens the FAA sees in real time.

They also have the legal authority and technological capability to take supreme command in cases of national emergency.

Dick Cheney was the acting Commander in Chief on 9/11. Just where does the BUCK stop?

Motive - Peak Oil: At some point between 2000 and 2007, world oil production reaches its peak; from that point on, every barrel of oil is going to be harder to find, more expensive to recover, and more valuable to those who recover and control it.

Dick Cheney was well aware of the coming Peak Oil crisis at least as early as 1999, and 9/11 provided the pretext for the series of energy wars that Cheney stated, "will not end in our lifetime." (Click here for a summary of these points)

Opportunity - 9/11 War Games: The Air Force was running multiple war games on the morning of 9/11 simulating hijackings over the continental United States that included (at least) one "live-fly" exercise as well as simulations that placed "false blips" on FAA radar screens.

These war games eerily mirrored the real events of 9/11 to the point of the Air Force running drills involving hijacked aircraft as the 9/11 plot actually unfolded.

The war games & terror drills played a critical role in ensuring no Air Force fighter jocks - who had trained their entire lives for this moment - would be able to prevent the attacks from succeeding.

These exercises were under Dick Cheney's management.

Here is the supporting documentation as laid out in Crossing the Rubicon, making a legal case against Dick Cheney for the crimes of 9/11.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011...

Decide for yourself.

Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

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#259219 Sep 15, 2013
KittyKat wrote:
<quoted text>Really SFB? Can you even read?
For example:"Official Flight Data from the NTSB proves conclusively that Flight 77 could not possibly have crashed into the Pentagon. Flight 77 was at an altitude of 273 feet within less than two seconds of 'impact'. Source: NTSB, Pilots for 911 Truth, FOIA request, official computer data from NTSB."
That is false huh?
You just screwed the pooch dickless wonder.
Why not? The plane was traveling over 500mph. That's at least 733 feet per second. Are you claiming the plane could not descend 273' when it was about 1,500' out? FYI, that's 11.2 degrees, well within the capability of the aircraft.

Learn some basic math dog breath.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259220 Sep 15, 2013
Dear waste of water

Please show where I claimed this!

"Your claim that thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acted to obstruct justice is both preposterous and paranoiac."

I never claimed any such thing.

If you are going to lie at least back it up with facts.

I think everybody involved did their job as well as they could (failing miserably as intended) however obstructed by the few vested politicians and businessmen at the top pulling the strings.

However your claim that it took "thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acting to obstruct justice" is what is preposterous and a downright lie.

Its an old trick called "compartmentalization ".

I realize that's a pretty long word for you but try to say it slowly. You'll do fine.

Everyone simply does their one little job, not knowing why or the result. Always acting under orders from their superiors who were told to do what they did by their superiors and on up the chain of command. As always you do not question the orders of your superiors.

Show me one FDNY personnel who went into the WTC buildings to save lives who knew they were involved with obstructing justice.

But you sure can't get them to talk now that they know how they were fooled by those at the top who told their more immediate bosses what to do.

Huh Eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259221 Sep 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
1. A C130 pilot witnessed the event.
2. Hundreds of people on the ground witnessed the event.
3. Remains of both passengers and the plane were collected and photographed inside the Pentagon
Three strikes, you are out.
As usual you provide no LINKS or any type of PROOF. Why should anyone take your wasted word for anything?

Home run.

Huh Eh !

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259222 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual you provide no LINKS or any type of PROOF. Why should anyone take your wasted word for anything?
Home run.
Huh Eh !
These links have been provided numerous times. Don't like truth much do you Twoofer?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#259223 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
Dear waste of water
Please show where I claimed this!
"Your claim that thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acted to obstruct justice is both preposterous and paranoiac."
I never claimed any such thing.
If you are going to lie at least back it up with facts.
I think everybody involved did their job as well as they could (failing miserably as intended) however obstructed by the few vested politicians and businessmen at the top pulling the strings.
However your claim that it took "thousands of agents, firemen, police officers, and forensic personnel acting to obstruct justice" is what is preposterous and a downright lie.
Its an old trick called "compartmentalization ".
I realize that's a pretty long word for you but try to say it slowly. You'll do fine.
Everyone simply does their one little job, not knowing why or the result. Always acting under orders from their superiors who were told to do what they did by their superiors and on up the chain of command. As always you do not question the orders of your superiors.
Show me one FDNY personnel who went into the WTC buildings to save lives who knew they were involved with obstructing justice.
But you sure can't get them to talk now that they know how they were fooled by those at the top who told their more immediate bosses what to do.
Huh Eh !
Your blanket statement dismissing all the government evidence makes this your claim. The fact that you cannot connect the dots is noted.

You have dismissed this site previously have you not?

http://www.debunking911.com/

This site contains testimony of people who were there. You have claimed all this to be part of your so called "govie conspiracy." Why lie about it now? If all this testimony is dismissed as part of your "govie conspiracy" then it follows that all was obstruction of justice. Your claim would be obstruction of justice would it not, assuming thousands of FBI, NYPD, NYFD, ATF, and other agencies all colluded to cover up the truth.

What is this so called chain of command you allude too?

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259225 Sep 15, 2013
Seventyeighteen wrote:
What is this twang about a government conspiracy? Do you disbelievers understand the logistics to keep such a profound conspiracy under wraps?
The terrorists themselves had to make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised.
If the alleged terrorists wanted or needed to

"make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised."

Then why didn't they simply fly directly to their intended targets?

Instead they flew hundreds of miles out of their way before turning around and conveniently turning off their transponders at an area of compromised radar coverage. How did they know where they were?

Flying time for the four hijacked airliners indicates a total of one hour and twenty-five minutes elapsed between the time that Boston Air Traffic Control lost contact with the first allegedly hijacked Flight 11 and the Pentagon was allegedly attacked by flight 77.

If they had really wanted to attack the US, they could have dove an aircraft into Indian Point Energy Center, a three-unit nuclear power plant station located north of NYC and this country would still be burying people.

Huh eh !

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259226 Sep 15, 2013
It's obvious that any point of view can be vetted by what you find on the internet.

You go to so-called debwunking 9/11 sites.

I go to other types of sites.

You blindly believe your govie's claims.

I do not.

So our points of view are different.

I do not care what you believe and am not interested in converting you to my point of view.

My govie has lied to me before and will again.

How can I ever really believe it any more?

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

Some people are fooled all their lives.

Especially the ones who believe a liar.

Huh Eh !
Seventyeighteen

United States

#259227 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
<quoted text>
If the alleged terrorists wanted or needed to
"make their ploy short and simple otherwise without the essence of time they would have been compromised."
Then why didn't they simply fly directly to their intended targets?
Instead they flew hundreds of miles out of their way before turning around and conveniently turning off their transponders at an area of compromised radar coverage. How did they know where they were?
Flying time for the four hijacked airliners indicates a total of one hour and twenty-five minutes elapsed between the time that Boston Air Traffic Control lost contact with the first allegedly hijacked Flight 11 and the Pentagon was allegedly attacked by flight 77.
If they had really wanted to attack the US, they could have dove an aircraft into Indian Point Energy Center, a three-unit nuclear power plant station located north of NYC and this country would still be burying people.
Huh eh !
Place yourself in any of the terrorists shoes, take your seat knowing that you need time to allow your co-terrorists to become airborne therefore allowing the other 3 jets to appear harmless and on their routes.
Time was needed to take out the pilot and co-pilot then disable the transponders, remain at cruise, utilize your line of sight, push the throttles forward and hit the target.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#259228 Sep 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Your blanket statement dismissing all the government evidence makes this your claim. The fact that you cannot connect the dots is noted.
You have dismissed this site previously have you not?
http://www.debunking911.com/
This site contains testimony of people who were there. You have claimed all this to be part of your so called "govie conspiracy." Why lie about it now? If all this testimony is dismissed as part of your "govie conspiracy" then it follows that all was obstruction of justice. Your claim would be obstruction of justice would it not, assuming thousands of FBI, NYPD, NYFD, ATF, and other agencies all colluded to cover up the truth.
What is this so called chain of command you allude too?
Dear waste of good water. You act and sound like a govie lackey but you say you don't know what the "chain of command" is.

Let me help you out with this strange term.

Definition: "Chain Of Command"

The order in which authority and power in an organization is wielded and delegated from top management to every employee at every lower level of the organization. Instructions flow downward along the chain of command and accountability flows upward.

According to its proponent Henri Fayol (1841-1925), the more clear cut the chain of command, the more effective the decision making process and greater the efficiency.

Military forces and government are an example of straight chain of command that extends in unbroken line from the top brass to ranks. Also called line of command.

See Cheney is at the top. And the poor slob FDNY who stupidly ran into a burning building that was about to explode and collapse is at the bottom.

Only the guy at the top knows completely what is going on. The guy at the bottom is just following orders given to him by his immediate superior who also doesn't know what all is going on.

I'm glad we cleared up this little misconception on your part.

I heard it in the Navy that when you learn something, quit for the day.

I'm glad you learned something today waste of water. But I bet you don't quit and are just following orders.

Huh eh !
Seventyeighteen

United States

#259229 Sep 15, 2013
At 30,000 feet you can see approx 180 nm.
Not to shabby to see two huge buildings or say a massive pentagon.
I think a kamikaze pilot would suffice to prove my point scale wise.

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

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#259230 Sep 15, 2013
I see you've named yourself after a type of welding rod 7018.

Makes sense!

Huh Eh !
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#259231 Sep 15, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
<quoted text>
Why not? The plane was traveling over 500mph. That's at least 733 feet per second. Are you claiming the plane could not descend 273' when it was about 1,500' out? FYI, that's 11.2 degrees, well within the capability of the aircraft.
Learn some basic math dog breath.
I'm not claiming it your NTSB has claimed it and debunked the govie conspiratard theory.You know the B.S.you spew like verbal diarrhea, oh dickless wonder.
GFY you obvious dual citizen govie troll.
Seventyeighteen

East Hartford, CT

#259232 Sep 15, 2013
Dr_Zorderz wrote:
I see you've named yourself after a type of welding rod 7018.
Makes sense!
Huh Eh !
How so?
Stellite 6

East Hartford, CT

#259233 Sep 15, 2013
Seventyeighteen wrote:
At 30,000 feet you can see approx 180 nm.
Not to shabby to see two huge buildings or say a massive pentagon.
I think a kamikaze pilot would suffice to prove my point scale wise.
Is it true you can melt steel by inductive heat?
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#259234 Sep 15, 2013
Seventyeighteen wrote:
<quoted text>Place yourself in any of the terrorists shoes, take your seat knowing that you need time to allow your co-terrorists to become airborne therefore allowing the other 3 jets to appear harmless and on their routes.
Time was needed to take out the pilot and co-pilot then disable the transponders, remain at cruise, utilize your line of sight, push the throttles forward and hit the target.
Where is the proof of any hijackers of Arab descent on any of the planes? You see SFB they didn't find them during the autopsies on the minute pieces of flesh they DID find.So again oh great white festering boil on the ass of humanity WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?

OH,AND I DO KNOW YOU AND LOTS ABOUT YOU.
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#259235 Sep 15, 2013
Stellite 6 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it true you can melt steel by inductive heat?
Posting to yourself now dually? Go back to training camp get some skills. Just so you don't look so obvious.
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#259236 Sep 15, 2013
Seventyeighteen wrote:
<quoted text>Place yourself in any of the terrorists shoes, take your seat knowing that you need time to allow your co-terrorists to become airborne therefore allowing the other 3 jets to appear harmless and on their routes.
Time was needed to take out the pilot and co-pilot then disable the transponders, remain at cruise, utilize your line of sight, push the throttles forward and hit the target.
How did they get the ENTIRE U S DEFENSE SYSTEMS TO STAND DOWN?
moment connection

East Hartford, CT

#259237 Sep 15, 2013
Stellite 6 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it true you can melt steel by inductive heat?
Roger that ..as a matter of fact the steel industry and smelt plants use heat through induction easily melting steel and also some exotic metals.

Stay on point because some of the folks on this site have no clue about metalurgy, hell those less inclined couldnt tell you the difference between pot metal and monel.

Ignore them and they will fade away.
Seventyeighteen

East Hartford, CT

#259238 Sep 15, 2013
KittyKat wrote:
<quoted text>Where is the proof of any hijackers of Arab descent on any of the planes? You see SFB they didn't find them during the autopsies on the minute pieces of flesh they DID find.So again oh great white festering boil on the ass of humanity WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?
OH,AND I DO KNOW YOU AND LOTS ABOUT YOU.
You appear to be a tad confused because we have all learned of the intel on terrorists.

Kitty Kat? Oh and do tell me about myself because you claim to know me.
Just becareful because I think you know the line you may have crossed.

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