Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

“DECEPTION = MOST POWERFUL ”

Since: Jul 11

POLITICAL FORCE ON THE PLANET

#258347 Aug 14, 2013
Dr shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
accept my stinking fart to your nose you poor god of cockroaches
Do you know what happens when you smell a fart?

Little pieces of shit are touching your nose.

Huh Eh !
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#258348 Aug 15, 2013
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
Then WHY DID YOU SAY IT WAS THIS GUY IN 2013
<quoted text>
Typical Twoofer, TRY TO KEEP YOUR LIES STRAIGHT!
What an Idiot! I never either one was in 2013. But the one who allegedly hung himself was in 2013. I never said the one who was found in the lake was in 2013.
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#258349 Aug 15, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Bunny, the obituary you supplied us came from March of 2013.( http://jg-tc.com/lifestyles/announcements/obi... ) So are you now claiming that they found him 20 years after the fact, took him to a hospital where he then died as the result a suicide attempt two decades earlier?
Child, you are getting sillier by the moment.
Another Idiot! I never said either one was in 2013. But the one who allegedly hung himself was in 2013. I never said the one who was found in the lake was in 2013.

onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#258350 Aug 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you continuously attempt to fit square pegs into round holes. I don't need to pretend to know anything because I have done the requisite schooling to understand why the dumbed down garbage you find so convincing is nothing more that fallacious nonsense.
You've proven the exact opposite of yourself.
And you ignore everything that doesn't suit your desired conclusion. Claiming you're only interested in truth is about as convincing as a cat telling the bird it only wants to be friends.
I'd have no problem accepting the US government was complicit in the 911 attacks if the evidence could stand up to scrutiny, nothing twoof has presented to date nothing convincing and the fact that you will accept anything regardless of how stupid it is proves you're full of crap.
I've said many times that people should speak with relevant professionals in their area and not trust everything they read on the Internet.
The one who I don't trust is you, all you do is deny everything, which proves nothing. Your credentials are non-existent.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#258351 Aug 15, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>The one who I don't trust is you, all you do is deny everything, which proves nothing. Your credentials are non-existent.
Your idiocy and ignorance is quite independent of my credentials..which are accepted by actual engineers on a daily basis.

And myself, Charlie, Rade and Rick have all addressed your claims with you being the one in denial.

Your response is invariably you chortling, "nyah, nyah, nyah" like a spoiled child.

Good luck with that!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#258352 Aug 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
"ABSTRACT. As part of the National In-stitute of Standards and TechnologyWorld Trade Center Investigation, failuremodes of the connections attaching thecomposite floor system to the exterior wallof WTC 1 and WTC 2 were surveyed. Met-allographic analyses of intact and failedwelds of the main load-bearing truss seatscomplemented the survey to identify thelocation of metallurgical failure for theseconnections. Above the aircraft impactfloors (94th to 99th in WTC 1 and 77th to85th in WTC 2), the failure modes wererandomly distributed. However, over 90%of floor truss connections at or below theimpact floors of both buildings were eitherbent downward or completely shearedfrom the exterior wall suggesting progres-sive overloading of the floors below theimpact zone following collapse initiationof the towers. Depending upon jointgeometry, detachment of the main trussseats occurred either by fracture in theheat-affected zone of the base material,where the standoff plate detached fromthe spandrel, or through the weld metal,where the seat angle detached from thestandoff plate. Failure in both cases wasthe result of a shear mechanism due to anoverload condition. Exposure to firesprior to the collapse was not found to havean effect on the failure mode of the floortruss connections."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...
Do you really listen to experts Manyfail?

Or just anyone who's conclusions match your own.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#258353 Aug 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>It's absolutely incredible how disingenuous twoofers are to a man!

First, the point of 1/4" fillets was to make you understand how dumb your comment was...I know, you don't get it.

Second, your post claimed pancaking was impossible for the given geometry....prove it.

Because what you said, in effect, was that placing a beam on a ledge makes that joint infinitely able to withstand any compressive force regardless of materials or how large the force.

That's just plain stupid and obviously wrong but gives an idea of how a) dumb twoofers are or b) how willingly they lie.

You choose.

And here's some reading material for you by real professionals,

"Failure of connections, as a result of overloading, occurred
within the heat-affected zone of the base metals"

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search...

I know, you'll ignore it in favour of your delusions regardless of the fact that you quite obviously have no clue what you're talking about.
Jeez Manyfails, I've addresses exactly what you've claimed yet all you do is run away.

Why is that?

Oh ya, you're an ignorant failure.
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#258354 Aug 15, 2013
This is off topic but if it saves just one person it will be worth it:
This is just one example why stock brokers cannot be trusted
A more of an accurate name is Stock Bandits.
This an example how they unload their bad deals on the unsuspecting public.
Stock Brokers are not stock market experts they are salespeople period).
They only follow orders from the upper management.
There are honest brokers but it is like finding an honest politician.

How do people make money from the stock market?
Someone has to lose money.
It is a rigged game that is not in your favor.


“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#258355 Aug 15, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>Check out the FLIR footage of the WTC fires, not near the temps to melt steel, or make aluminum glow orange-yellow as it drips pre-collapse.

http://youtu.be/xQEd8PgY8vo

Insults Are Easier
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't watch this until this morning and I have to say, what an excellent example of the non-observant nature of twoofer idiocy this is!

First, the rage this device is set at is from +15 to +120C.

Second, the distance setting is at 0M.

So the device is set to measure to a maximum of 120C giving a colour coded readout of that parameter at a location of 0M!

Now it's a given that losers like Ignorance is Bliss have no clue a device like this works but seriously....do the not have any ability to use even basic logic?

That is too funny!!!!!
Priceless example of the blind stupidity of twoofers!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#258356 Aug 15, 2013
onemale wrote:
Another Idiot! I never said either one was in 2013. But the one who allegedly hung himself was in 2013. I never said the one who was found in the lake was in 2013.
Actually you did sweetie. When I asked you for proof of the gentleman who allegedly drowned himself, you did not tell me that this supposedly happened two decades ago, you provided me with Mr Waggoner's obituary from March of this year. When I pointed out that he had died in a hospital and hadn't been pronounced dead at a lake; you did not tell me that I was looking at the obituary of someone who had allegedly recently hanged himself in the local hoosegow and not at the obituary of the alleged suicidal drowning, you said they didn't report his cause of death. Now you are claiming that it is me who can't seem to get your own convoluted stories straight.

If you're going to pathologically lie dear, at least try to be consistent in them.

onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#258357 Aug 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>Priceless example of the blind stupidity of twoofers!
You seem to have all the answers, so why is it that Osama Bin Laden has never been charged with 9/11? How did they immediately know it was him before they did any kind of investigation? All they did was tell us he did it, they and didn't give us one shred of evidence They told us they would give us the evidence... but a decade later... there is nothing.
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#258358 Aug 15, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
What an Idiot! I never either one was in 2013. But the one who allegedly hung himself was in 2013. I never said the one who was found in the lake was in 2013.
False, That was the only one I asked about, and even if you claim it was the other one, you claimed he died in a place other than hospital bed, YOU LOST EITHER WAY!
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#258359 Aug 15, 2013
Can you make any money by placing bills in a bible and morphing them into George Bush with horns you dishonest loon!
onemale wrote:
This is off topic but if it saves just one person it will be worth it:
This is just one example why stock brokers cannot be trusted
A more of an accurate name is Stock Bandits.
This an example how they unload their bad deals on the unsuspecting public.
Stock Brokers are not stock market experts they are salespeople period).
They only follow orders from the upper management.
There are honest brokers but it is like finding an honest politician.
How do people make money from the stock market?
Someone has to lose money.
It is a rigged game that is not in your favor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =whlzFWwVv98XX
Charlie Sheen

Lincoln, NE

#258360 Aug 15, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to have all the answers, so why is it that Osama Bin Laden has never been charged with 9/11?
WRONG, He was listed as a co-conspirator!

In 2007 several al Qaeda members were charged in military courts with planning the 9/11 attacks. While bin Laden isn't amongst them, he does appear as a co-conspirator. Here's the first part of the first charge:

Specification: In that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin'Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi, persons subject to trial by military commission as alien unlawful enemy combatants, did, at various locations, from in or about 1996 to in or about May 2003, conspire and agree with Usama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, Mohamed al Kahtani; Mohammed Atef(a/k/a Abu Hafs al Masri), 19 individuals who hijacked four commercial airliners on September 11,2001:(American Airlines Flight 11, hereinafter AA #11) Mohamed Atta, Satam al Suqami, Waleed al Shehri, Wail al Shehri, Abdul Aziz al Omari; (United Airlines Flight 175, hereinafter UA #175) Marwan al Shehhi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri, Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad (hereinafter Fayez Banihammad); (United Airlines Flight 93, hereinafter UA #93) Ziad Samir Jarrah, Ahmad Ibrahim A. al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami, Saeed al Ghamdi; (American Airlines Flight 77, hereinafter AA #77) Hani Hanjour, Khalid al Mihdhar, Nawaf al Hazmi, Majed Moqed, Salem al Hazmi; and various other members and associates of the al Qaeda organization, known and unknown, and willfully join an enterprise of persons with the intent to further the unlawful purpose of the enterprise; to commit the following offenses triable by military commission: attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, murder in violation of the law of war, destruction of property in violation of the law of war, and terrorism, said agreement and enterprise sharing a common criminal purpose, known to the five accused, to attack the United States, its people, and their property, said conspiracy resulting in the deaths of 2,973 persons.(See Charge Sheet Appendix A for a list of victims killed in the attacks).

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/d20080509Moha...

Bin Laden is an integral part of the case against Khalid Sheikh Mohamed and others, so much so that this is the first act listed in the charges:
1. In August 1996, Usama bin Laden issued a public "Declaration of Jihad Against the Americans," in which he called for the murder of U.S. military personnel serving on the Arabian Peninsula.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Canada

#258361 Aug 15, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>You seem to have all the answers, so why is it that Osama Bin Laden has never been charged with 9/11? How did they immediately know it was him before they did any kind of investigation? All they did was tell us he did it, they and didn't give us one shred of evidence They told us they would give us the evidence... but a decade later... there is nothing.
I never claimed to have all the answers, I just haven't pigeon holed myself into ignorance the way you have by accepting what a few charlatans claim and ignoring everything else.

In order to charge OBL, he would have to be in custody and as has been explained before, adding 911 to the list of things he was wanted for would be irrelevant since once captured he could be indicted for all his crimes.

That same logic applies to other terrorists/criminals and seriously, you believe your government would plan and perpetrate a massive terrorist attack on their own people but won't add a few lines of text to a poster.

That defies logic.

And if you actually read things like the Moussoui trial and newspaper articles from 2001 you'd know that the hijackers themselves were identified while the flights were still in the air and that those hijackers could be linked to OBL's terrorist organization.

I wasted a bunch of time compiling posts based on available information for zealot guy and was basically met with silence and "nyah, nyah, nyah".

I'll see if I can find those posts again so you can ignore them without addressing anything the same way you've done with everything to date.

“9/11 Twoof = STUPID ”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#258364 Aug 15, 2013
I have already explained to Dufus Boy on several occasions that investigative magistrate Baltasar Garzon of Spain issued international arrest orders for bin Laden and seven others suspected in connection with the Sept. 11 hijackings .... some people can't or don't want to learn
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
I never claimed to have all the answers, I just haven't pigeon holed myself into ignorance the way you have by accepting what a few charlatans claim and ignoring everything else.
In order to charge OBL, he would have to be in custody and as has been explained before, adding 911 to the list of things he was wanted for would be irrelevant since once captured he could be indicted for all his crimes.
That same logic applies to other terrorists/criminals and seriously, you believe your government would plan and perpetrate a massive terrorist attack on their own people but won't add a few lines of text to a poster.
That defies logic.
And if you actually read things like the Moussoui trial and newspaper articles from 2001 you'd know that the hijackers themselves were identified while the flights were still in the air and that those hijackers could be linked to OBL's terrorist organization.
I wasted a bunch of time compiling posts based on available information for zealot guy and was basically met with silence and "nyah, nyah, nyah".
I'll see if I can find those posts again so you can ignore them without addressing anything the same way you've done with everything to date.
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#258365 Aug 15, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>

And if you actually read things like the Moussoui trial and newspaper articles from 2001 you'd know that the hijackers themselves were identified while the flights were still in the air and that those hijackers could be linked to OBL's terrorist organization.
Hijackers identified while the planes were still in the air!!!!!!! And not a MOMENT BEFORE. And you claim the gov had no previous knowledge of the event. BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH! GAWD you're and IDIOT.
KittyKat

Chico, CA

#258366 Aug 15, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
I have already explained to Dufus Boy on several occasions that investigative magistrate Baltasar Garzon of Spain issued international arrest orders for bin Laden and seven others suspected in connection with the Sept. 11 hijackings .... some people can't or don't want to learn
<quoted text>
Another traitorous zioass troll bot here for years on this thread. Why? If you are happy to swallow the govie spooge what do you care about some insignificant thread on topix?
GEE,I WONDER?
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#258367 Aug 15, 2013
Yes, Osama Bin Laden has been charged with other things but nothing linking Bin Laden to 9/11.
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG, He was listed as a co-conspirator!
In 2007 several al Qaeda members were charged in military courts with planning the 9/11 attacks. While bin Laden isn't amongst them, he does appear as a co-conspirator. Here's the first part of the first charge:
Specification: In that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin'Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi, persons subject to trial by military commission as alien unlawful enemy combatants, did, at various locations, from in or about 1996 to in or about May 2003, conspire and agree with Usama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, Mohamed al Kahtani; Mohammed Atef(a/k/a Abu Hafs al Masri), 19 individuals who hijacked four commercial airliners on September 11,2001:(American Airlines Flight 11, hereinafter AA #11) Mohamed Atta, Satam al Suqami, Waleed al Shehri, Wail al Shehri, Abdul Aziz al Omari; (United Airlines Flight 175, hereinafter UA #175) Marwan al Shehhi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri, Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad (hereinafter Fayez Banihammad); (United Airlines Flight 93, hereinafter UA #93) Ziad Samir Jarrah, Ahmad Ibrahim A. al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami, Saeed al Ghamdi; (American Airlines Flight 77, hereinafter AA #77) Hani Hanjour, Khalid al Mihdhar, Nawaf al Hazmi, Majed Moqed, Salem al Hazmi; and various other members and associates of the al Qaeda organization, known and unknown, and willfully join an enterprise of persons with the intent to further the unlawful purpose of the enterprise; to commit the following offenses triable by military commission: attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, murder in violation of the law of war, destruction of property in violation of the law of war, and terrorism, said agreement and enterprise sharing a common criminal purpose, known to the five accused, to attack the United States, its people, and their property, said conspiracy resulting in the deaths of 2,973 persons.(See Charge Sheet Appendix A for a list of victims killed in the attacks).
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/d20080509Moha...
Bin Laden is an integral part of the case against Khalid Sheikh Mohamed and others, so much so that this is the first act listed in the charges:
1. In August 1996, Usama bin Laden issued a public "Declaration of Jihad Against the Americans," in which he called for the murder of U.S. military personnel serving on the Arabian Peninsula.
onemale

Tower Hill, IL

#258368 Aug 15, 2013
FBI says,“No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fbi-says-no-hard...
Charlie Sheen wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG, He was listed as a co-conspirator!
In 2007 several al Qaeda members were charged in military courts with planning the 9/11 attacks. While bin Laden isn't amongst them, he does appear as a co-conspirator. Here's the first part of the first charge:
Specification: In that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid Muhammad Salih Mubarak Bin'Attash, Ramzi Binalshibh, Ali Abdul Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmed Adam al Hawsawi, persons subject to trial by military commission as alien unlawful enemy combatants, did, at various locations, from in or about 1996 to in or about May 2003, conspire and agree with Usama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, Mohamed al Kahtani; Mohammed Atef(a/k/a Abu Hafs al Masri), 19 individuals who hijacked four commercial airliners on September 11,2001:(American Airlines Flight 11, hereinafter AA #11) Mohamed Atta, Satam al Suqami, Waleed al Shehri, Wail al Shehri, Abdul Aziz al Omari; (United Airlines Flight 175, hereinafter UA #175) Marwan al Shehhi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Ahmed al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri, Fayez Rashid Ahmed Hassan Al Qadi Banihammad (hereinafter Fayez Banihammad); (United Airlines Flight 93, hereinafter UA #93) Ziad Samir Jarrah, Ahmad Ibrahim A. al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami, Saeed al Ghamdi; (American Airlines Flight 77, hereinafter AA #77) Hani Hanjour, Khalid al Mihdhar, Nawaf al Hazmi, Majed Moqed, Salem al Hazmi; and various other members and associates of the al Qaeda organization, known and unknown, and willfully join an enterprise of persons with the intent to further the unlawful purpose of the enterprise; to commit the following offenses triable by military commission: attacking civilians, attacking civilian objects, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, murder in violation of the law of war, destruction of property in violation of the law of war, and terrorism, said agreement and enterprise sharing a common criminal purpose, known to the five accused, to attack the United States, its people, and their property, said conspiracy resulting in the deaths of 2,973 persons.(See Charge Sheet Appendix A for a list of victims killed in the attacks).
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/d20080509Moha...
Bin Laden is an integral part of the case against Khalid Sheikh Mohamed and others, so much so that this is the first act listed in the charges:
1. In August 1996, Usama bin Laden issued a public "Declaration of Jihad Against the Americans," in which he called for the murder of U.S. military personnel serving on the Arabian Peninsula.

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