Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Was 9/11 a conspiracy??

Created by djhixx on Oct 13, 2007

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well, im not sure

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#257821 Jul 23, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is the questions forbidden???
Obviously you have no answers.
You keep asking stupid questions like a three year old. When you ask something relevant, I'll let you know.

“Truth is unthinkable.”

Since: May 12

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#257822 Jul 23, 2013
AussieBobby wrote:
Bush fires must be inside job.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/0...
Check it out Simple Jack, it could be anything at this point, thats the benefit of destroying evidence before the investigation - to make sure nobody can dispute it. They turned a physical investigation into a theoretical one, and failed to prove what actually happened, to what could have happened.

Thats a cover-up when they chose to destroy evidence, and thats makes it unscientific, because they eliminated peer review.

It would be similar to an airliner crashing, and instead of rebuilding the plane in a hanger, they destroyed the evidence and ran a computer simulation to try to explain it. Would you be here allying yourself with the smear campaign against people that had a problem with that?

Now about your picture that shows aluminum melted in a brush fire... Fireman see aluminum melting in fires all the time, and it's telling not one claimed it was aluminum running down the channel rails. Do you think fireman are not accustomed to seeing aluminum melting in fires?

Systematic cover-ups only happen when there is something to cover up. When murderers are found to have recently bleached their floor after their wives go missing, the cops are all over them like ugly on you. Yet when the government destroys evidence, the media, the investigators, never suspect it and always chalk it up to institutional incompetence, because they are all controlled and compartmentalized by the same people.

You do realize, I hope, that matching the color of a glowing metal with its temperature will identify that metal to a specific type? Multiple firefighters stated it was specifically steel, its doubtful they didnt know the temperature and just assumed it. Doubtful becomes impossible when you realize nano-thermate was found in the dust along with iron microspheres indicating something other than airplanes and burning office furniture was in action during the collapse. If all this melted iron occurred after the collapse, it would not have been found in the dust blocks away.

So stop drinking, and start thinking.

Insults Are Easier

Since: Aug 11

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#257823 Jul 23, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
Check it out Simple Jack, it could be anything at this point, thats the benefit of destroying evidence before the investigation - to make sure nobody can dispute it. They turned a physical investigation into a theoretical one, and failed to prove what actually happened, to what could have happened.
Thats a cover-up when they chose to destroy evidence, and thats makes it unscientific, because they eliminated peer review.
It would be similar to an airliner crashing, and instead of rebuilding the plane in a hanger, they destroyed the evidence and ran a computer simulation to try to explain it. Would you be here allying yourself with the smear campaign against people that had a problem with that?
Now about your picture that shows aluminum melted in a brush fire... Fireman see aluminum melting in fires all the time, and it's telling not one claimed it was aluminum running down the channel rails. Do you think fireman are not accustomed to seeing aluminum melting in fires?
Systematic cover-ups only happen when there is something to cover up. When murderers are found to have recently bleached their floor after their wives go missing, the cops are all over them like ugly on you. Yet when the government destroys evidence, the media, the investigators, never suspect it and always chalk it up to institutional incompetence, because they are all controlled and compartmentalized by the same people.
You do realize, I hope, that matching the color of a glowing metal with its temperature will identify that metal to a specific type? Multiple firefighters stated it was specifically steel, its doubtful they didnt know the temperature and just assumed it. Doubtful becomes impossible when you realize nano-thermate was found in the dust along with iron microspheres indicating something other than airplanes and burning office furniture was in action during the collapse. If all this melted iron occurred after the collapse, it would not have been found in the dust blocks away.
So stop drinking, and start thinking.
Insults Are Easier
Can you identify who "they" actually are?

“9/11 Twoof = STUPID ”

Since: Jun 07

Manhattan, New York

#257824 Jul 23, 2013
Revised Report of Results: MVA9119
Progress Report on the
Analysis of Red/Gray Chips
in WTC Dust
Prepared for:
Classical Guide
Feb, 2012
Denver, CO
James R. Millette, Ph.D.
Executive Director
MVA Scientific Consultants
3300 Breckinridge Boulevard
Suite 400 Duluth, GA 30096

Conclusions
The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.
There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.

SMARTEN UP DUFUS !!!
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
Check it out Simple Jack, it could be anything at this point, thats the benefit of destroying evidence before the investigation - to make sure nobody can dispute it. They turned a physical investigation into a theoretical one, and failed to prove what actually happened, to what could have happened.
Thats a cover-up when they chose to destroy evidence, and thats makes it unscientific, because they eliminated peer review.
It would be similar to an airliner crashing, and instead of rebuilding the plane in a hanger, they destroyed the evidence and ran a computer simulation to try to explain it. Would you be here allying yourself with the smear campaign against people that had a problem with that?
Now about your picture that shows aluminum melted in a brush fire... Fireman see aluminum melting in fires all the time, and it's telling not one claimed it was aluminum running down the channel rails. Do you think fireman are not accustomed to seeing aluminum melting in fires?
Systematic cover-ups only happen when there is something to cover up. When murderers are found to have recently bleached their floor after their wives go missing, the cops are all over them like ugly on you. Yet when the government destroys evidence, the media, the investigators, never suspect it and always chalk it up to institutional incompetence, because they are all controlled and compartmentalized by the same people.
You do realize, I hope, that matching the color of a glowing metal with its temperature will identify that metal to a specific type? Multiple firefighters stated it was specifically steel, its doubtful they didnt know the temperature and just assumed it. Doubtful becomes impossible when you realize nano-thermate was found in the dust along with iron microspheres indicating something other than airplanes and burning office furniture was in action during the collapse. If all this melted iron occurred after the collapse, it would not have been found in the dust blocks away.
So stop drinking, and start thinking.
Insults Are Easier

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#257825 Jul 23, 2013
onemale wrote:
I have found the best method to determine what is the truth and what is B.S. is ask the following questions...
Is it biased or unbiased?
Is it politically driven or otherwise?
Who benefits from the statements?
What are the credentials of the delivers of the statements?
What are the facts to back-up the opinions?
Like why would Donald Trump, Pat Boone, Alan Keyes and Sheriff Arpaio lie about their President's birthplace and citizenship?
Why would Obama lie about it?
www.wtc.net

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#257827 Jul 23, 2013
Zealous_Guy wrote:
<quoted text>No.

The author proposed that only one of Barret's points was 'flat out wrong'.

Apart from the he disagreed with Barret, but that's just his opinion... he didn't do anything to support his opinion other than say he collected the data and was certain of his opinion.

Here you are Mr Hat, supporting the opinions of someone that has chosen to study 'conspiracy theorists'.

Can you explain why anyone would deem that a subject worthy of academic study? It would seem not.

To me, that would seem like a bizarre and pointless waste of time. Hardly the sort of decision a well balanced person would take.

So come on, Mr Hat, why would anyone study 'truthers'?

Like I said, so what?
The authors disagreed with Barrett's general premise about their paper.

Squirming to avoid that fact only makes you look like a bigger fool than you were when you originally posted Barrett's paper to begin with.

And I'm not supporting a side, I'm pointing out and proving why twoofers like yourself will never achieve anything aside from providing cheapentertainment to people like me who are amazed such people as you actually exist.

As to why a researcher would study twoofers.

Why not?

There's fields of study dedicated to abnormal psychology so why wouldn't a professional be interested in studying people with twisted epistemologies that display irrational logic?

Lemme guess, you don't think that's a valid assessment.

Yet unless you're a mute, it would be impossible to miss posters like timesten and Onemale who can be described exactly that way.

And if its so irrational for people like myself or researchers to observe twoofers in their natural habitats, what's rational about you coming on threads like this and posting bs articles to support them?

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#257828 Jul 23, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize, I hope, that matching the color of a glowing metal with its temperature will identify that metal to a specific type? Multiple firefighters stated it was specifically steel, its doubtful they didnt know the temperature and just assumed it. Doubtful becomes impossible when you realize nano-thermate was found in the dust along with iron microspheres indicating something other than airplanes and burning office furniture was in action during the collapse. If all this melted iron occurred after the collapse, it would not have been found in the dust blocks away.

So stop drinking, and start thinking.

Insults Are Easier
And along comes Ignorance is Bliss to perfectly illustrate my case of twoofers having twisted epistemologies and failed logic.

The temperature of a material can be roughly estimated by colour WHEN the material is known.

Materials can't be identified by colour when glowing which is exactly what this twoofer is trying to claim.

His total misrepresentation of emissivity is even more humorous when you consider that different metals will glow the same colour at different temperatures.

Both steel and aluminum glow red albeit at different temperatures.

There was no nanothermite found and the fire fighters never claimed the molten material wasn't aluminum and must be steel.

They did what many do and what I've proven time after time. They saw a molten material and called it

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

Since: Jun 09

Edmonton, Canada

#257829 Jul 23, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>And along comes Ignorance is Bliss to perfectly illustrate my case of twoofers having twisted epistemologies and failed logic.

The temperature of a material can be roughly estimated by colour WHEN the material is known.

Materials can't be identified by colour when glowing which is exactly what this twoofer is trying to claim.

His total misrepresentation of emissivity is even more humorous when you consider that different metals will glow the same colour at different temperatures.

Both steel and aluminum glow red albeit at different temperatures.

There was no nanothermite found and the fire fighters never claimed the molten material wasn't aluminum and must be steel.

They did what many do and what I've proven time after time. They saw a molten material and called it
Hit send to soon.

To complete what I was saying:

They saw a molten material and called it steel.

The NFPA also addresses this as a common mistake and I've posted that here with no comment from Ignorance because,

[His] Ignorance is [His] Bliss

Since: Nov 11

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#257830 Jul 24, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
<quoted text>
The authors disagreed with Barrett's general premise about their paper.
Squirming to avoid that fact only makes you look like a bigger fool than you were when you originally posted Barrett's paper to begin with.
And I'm not supporting a side, I'm pointing out and proving why twoofers like yourself will never achieve anything aside from providing cheapentertainment to people like me who are amazed such people as you actually exist.
As to why a researcher would study twoofers.
Why not?
There's fields of study dedicated to abnormal psychology so why wouldn't a professional be interested in studying people with twisted epistemologies that display irrational logic?
Lemme guess, you don't think that's a valid assessment.
Yet unless you're a mute, it would be impossible to miss posters like timesten and Onemale who can be described exactly that way.
And if its so irrational for people like myself or researchers to observe twoofers in their natural habitats, what's rational about you coming on threads like this and posting bs articles to support them?
Yes, the author 'disagreed' with Barrett's premise. Hardly surprising, since Barrett was effectively arguing that the author himself was likely a sandwich or two short of a picnic.

That's called 'a difference of opinion', you might be surprised to learn that this is something that's not at all unusual when it comes to academic papers.

I agree with Barrett... you are apparently 'not taking sides'- squirming over there much Mr Hat?

I see you can't propose a valid reason for studying 'conspiracy theorists'- explaining how you personally catagorise a 'twoofer' is not actually giving a reason.

Besides, I'm certain you could find plenty of people who support the official line on 9/11 who are 'people with twisted epistemologies that display irrational logic'.

Here in the UK we have a lovely bunch of people who call themselves 'The English Defence League'. Look them up Mr Hat, they certainly fit your criteria.

Regarding 'studying twoofers in their natural habitat', this is clearly as much, if not more, YOUR natural habitat. The fact that you see it as somewhere for 'twoofers' shows just how twisted your take on this subject is.

I fully understand why people who don't believe the official line on 9/11 are compelled to voice their concerns. It makes complete sense. It is totally logical.

On the other hand, It's not logical at all to obsess about someone else's opinion just because you don't simply don't agree with them.

"I'm concerned that we've been lied to about an attack on the USA which has been used to justify attacks on other nations and an erosion of our rights"

or

"I'm concerned that other people hold an opinion I don't agree with"

...and you're definitely not playing with a full pack of cards if you're so obsessed with 'conspiracy theorists' that you're writing academic papers and a blog on the subject.

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257831 Jul 24, 2013
onemale wrote:
<quoted text>
Why???
NIST had hundreds of videos of explosions and eyewitnesses, but didn't acknowledge any of it.
They could have at least explained why all this is untrue, but instead they ignored it... WHY???
And also why is it, when anyone questions 9/11, it is out of bounds?
Topic forbidden!
Question 9/11 and you shall be shunned by all of mankind.
Why all the secrecy ???
Perhaps the FDNY not ever having experienced two 100 story skyscrapers along with another 50 story all collapsing into a burning 100 odd ft pile after having two 767s crash into them...

The addition of speculation like lava and molten steel and pyroclastic flows...

Just adds more insanity to an already insane day?...

I have no problems with anyone questioning 9-11...

But I yet to see any viable questioning...

Instead I hear speculations disguised as hypothesis...

Lava?....never any even evidence

Can you compare the chunks of what you claim as cooled lave to say the Chernobylite found at the base of Chernobyl?...

Evidence...the truthers have no evidence

Yet seem to conveniently blame that on the Bush conspiracy...

But I do appreciate that you put truthers in that category of 'being shunned by all mankind'...

I see that as a 'tell' on your part...

You actually know that the truther mantra is flawed...

Cheers

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257832 Jul 24, 2013
Zealous_Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
You see Mr Hat, this is what marks you as unhinged.
Any sane person would understand that this is a topical discussion forum, yet you somehow see it as a world of quantifiable right and wrong. Hilariously, I post an opinion piece from press TV and you think I'm posting facts that I believe to be quantifiable.
You clearly have no idea how far removed from reality your perception is... you've obviously been consumed by this whole topic and it's left you in a strange place where you're projecting your own twisted logic on the world around you.
Looking back at your post roll here shows how your brain is simply on loop. Ironically, you're a classic example of the sort of person Barret is referring too.
Why is it verbotten in twooferdom to attack a poorly written opinion piece submitted by iranian press no less?...

Are we also verbotten to discuss the irony of the hamas terrorists agreeing to reconsider reopening of peace talks with Israel while sending their children to hate the Jew camps to learn terror tactics against kuffirs?...

Or should we wait for an opinion piece to appear in Press first?...

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257833 Jul 24, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
What truly hilarious zealot guy is anyone can page back to your posting of Barrett's misrepresentation of the paper in question and clearly read your definitive claim something to the effect of "anyone with a modicum of sense knows...".
Now of course since I did your homework for you yet again and actually read the cited paper only to find Barrett was, in typical twoofer form, lying our his azz, you now claim there was never an intent by you to post this as fact.
And of course people did respond as is always the case on discussion forums and your position was to, yet again, ignore facts and sheepishly defend your source.
You then go on to say you agree with the premise of Barrett's misinformation article and attempt to distance yourself from the content of the article.
Which makes it obvious that in your little world it doesn't matter what you post as a source and that even though the sources your using make you look like a complete fool, it's the readers fault. Not yours.
That's quite the position zealot guy, not that you'll admit to the obvious, and one you've used as SOP when caught being a fool.
Here's the reality, you posted Barrett's article because you never thought for a second that it might be untrue even though you didn't do even a modicum of verification to confirm it. Like Ignorance is Bliss, you mindlessly agreed with the headline and thought that just once you could get those ebil rationalists backed into a corner.
Yet here you are, in a corner and fighting back with the only weapon at your limited disposal, projection.
This is evidence of the disingenuous nature of a truther post...

Post something as fact claiming to know full well the fallacies contained in the piece...

And justify by then claiming it was posted not as iranian fact piece but as an opine...

Twooferdum

And here I promised myself I would try to be more respectful...

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257834 Jul 24, 2013
RADEKT wrote:
Revised Report of Results: MVA9119
Progress Report on the
Analysis of Red/Gray Chips
in WTC Dust
Prepared for:
Classical Guide
Feb, 2012
Denver, CO
James R. Millette, Ph.D.
Executive Director
MVA Scientific Consultants
3300 Breckinridge Boulevard
Suite 400 Duluth, GA 30096
Conclusions
The red/gray chips found in the WTC dust at four sites in New York City are consistent with a carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contains primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments.
There is no evidence of individual elemental aluminum particles of any size in the red/gray chips, therefore the red layer of the red/gray chips is not thermite or nano-thermite.
SMARTEN UP DUFUS !!!
<quoted text>
iron oxide

rust

a common steel coating intended to hinder corrosion...

To clarify this to truther-dom...

The truthers have collected...rusty dust

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257835 Jul 24, 2013
Porkpie Hat wrote:
One other thing that strikes me as extremely funny about zealot guys projection post.
Now if I'm trying to make a serious point that supports my position, should I: a) post a source that has verified citations and could be taken seriously by my opponent
or b) post a source that's misrepresenting my position to a degree that it diminishes that position?
In zealotville "b" is the correct answer.
Were anyone to post b)

It would be treated as a)

And dismembered accordingly...

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257836 Jul 24, 2013
Zealous_Guy wrote:
You're totally insane Mr Hat.
In the real world, rather than in your imagined one, statistics are open to interpretation and opinion pieces are - duh!- based on the opinion of the author.
It's kind of funny, I guess, that you are here day after day trying to score points and 'prove' you are right... especially since we have seen time and time again that you cannot prove your beliefs are correct. But it's also sort of sad to see someone so consumed by a belief like that.
Like the guy who wants to study conspiracy theorists. Do you not think that's a bit odd? It seems barking mad to me. To start with a broad generalising term like 'Truther' or 'Conspiracy Theorist' and then attempt to 'study' these people, I simply can't imagine why anyone would bother to do that.
Perhaps you could enlighten me Mr Hat?
Why can an opine not be dismembered as any statement of alleged fact be dismembered?...

Especially when viable discrepancies can be found and exploited as just plain wrong thinking?...

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257837 Jul 24, 2013
onemale wrote:
I have found the best method to determine what is the truth and what is B.S. is ask the following questions...
Is it biased or unbiased?
Is it politically driven or otherwise?
Who benefits from the statements?
What are the credentials of the delivers of the statements?
What are the facts to back-up the opinions?
1
Your very first question would eliminate any and all researchers that began their research objectively and unbiased...

And through their research then determined conclusions one direction or another...

And expressed these conclusions as most probable...

But because these conclusions now no longer agree with whatever conclusions you determined they should have come to....

Are now biased and to be rejected...

By definition...all opinions and statements of fact or probability

Are biased

2
How do you determine political motivation?...

By the label 'government shills'?...

3
How do you determine who benefits?...

By the label 'government shills'?...

4
Are the credentials of the deliverer outweighed by the credentials of of the researcher?...

That would tend to dismiss every statement ever made by most truthers...

5
Again...see #4 above

Loose Change was started by high school students...

And all 4 versions show the growth of their research...

And their biased pov

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257838 Jul 24, 2013
Zealous_Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Barrett's paper? I don't think that's quite what you meant.
Come on then Mr Hat... I'll ask for a third time shall I.
Why would any balanced person produce an academic study of 'Conspiracy Theorists'?
And you want to talk about filter and bias... ho ho.
Are you intimating barrett is unbalanced?...

Or are conspiracy theorists unbalanced?...

Or does barrett believe that conspiracy theorists are unbalanced?...

Does the Press tv official vision outweigh the fact that it remains an arm of the islamist republic of iran?...

“Roger is my favorite Wabbit”

Since: Jun 07

Dorchester , MA

#257839 Jul 24, 2013
Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>
Check it out Simple Jack, it could be anything at this point, thats the benefit of destroying evidence before the investigation - to make sure nobody can dispute it. They turned a physical investigation into a theoretical one, and failed to prove what actually happened, to what could have happened.
Thats a cover-up when they chose to destroy evidence, and thats makes it unscientific, because they eliminated peer review.
It would be similar to an airliner crashing, and instead of rebuilding the plane in a hanger, they destroyed the evidence and ran a computer simulation to try to explain it. Would you be here allying yourself with the smear campaign against people that had a problem with that?
Now about your picture that shows aluminum melted in a brush fire... Fireman see aluminum melting in fires all the time, and it's telling not one claimed it was aluminum running down the channel rails. Do you think fireman are not accustomed to seeing aluminum melting in fires?
Systematic cover-ups only happen when there is something to cover up. When murderers are found to have recently bleached their floor after their wives go missing, the cops are all over them like ugly on you. Yet when the government destroys evidence, the media, the investigators, never suspect it and always chalk it up to institutional incompetence, because they are all controlled and compartmentalized by the same people.
You do realize, I hope, that matching the color of a glowing metal with its temperature will identify that metal to a specific type? Multiple firefighters stated it was specifically steel, its doubtful they didnt know the temperature and just assumed it. Doubtful becomes impossible when you realize nano-thermate was found in the dust along with iron microspheres indicating something other than airplanes and burning office furniture was in action during the collapse. If all this melted iron occurred after the collapse, it would not have been found in the dust blocks away.
So stop drinking, and start thinking.
Insults Are Easier
Failed to prove?...

Is this a veiled assertion that two 767s did NOT fly into the Twins?...

Are you also asserting that differing liquid metals can not have the same colours?...

Aluminum colors were posted here already...

Have you done a metal analysis of what kind of metals could be channeling out at that colour?...

Or only what the temp of steel is at that colour?...

Surely someone has done a spectrographic study of the vid of the liquid metal 'pouring' out of the Tower...

Also bearing in mind that the metal is running down a steel channel...

Which is no longer level...

But has collapsed to the point of allowing the pooled metal to run down the pointed downward channel...

Should

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#257840 Jul 24, 2013
Yes duhg its a conspiracy. Only a complete idioot would watch those building fall like that and thing oh it must be going down in a perfect controlled fall because a plane hit it and the building we made to withstand many planes. i feel ashamed to be surrounded by such retarrds
onemale

Pana, IL

#257841 Jul 24, 2013
You talk about speculation?
The one speculating is you unless you was there.
Eyewitnesses isn't speculating, they were there.
chazmo wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps the FDNY not ever having experienced two 100 story skyscrapers along with another 50 story all collapsing into a burning 100 odd ft pile after having two 767s crash into them...
The addition of speculation like lava and molten steel and pyroclastic flows...
Just adds more insanity to an already insane day?...
I have no problems with anyone questioning 9-11...
But I yet to see any viable questioning...
Instead I hear speculations disguised as hypothesis...
Lava?....never any even evidence
Can you compare the chunks of what you claim as cooled lave to say the Chernobylite found at the base of Chernobyl?...
Evidence...the truthers have no evidence
Yet seem to conveniently blame that on the Bush conspiracy...
But I do appreciate that you put truthers in that category of 'being shunned by all mankind'...
I see that as a 'tell' on your part...
You actually know that the truther mantra is flawed...
Cheers

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