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May 13, 2013
 
Charlie Sheen wrote:
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FALSE!
The 84/ 85 figure for videos came about as the result of a FOIA request for videos showing the Pentagon impact. FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire responded with the following point:
...I subsequently searched a series of FBI evidence databases, including the FBI's Electronic Case File system and the FBI's Investigative Case Management System, and determined that the FBI possessed eighty-five (85) videotapes that might be potentially responsive to plaintiff's FOIA request. This determination was based on videotapes that had been submitted into FBI evidence, sent directly to the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, and/or obtained by the FBI's Washington Field Office.
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The FBI are talking about 85 videos, but this is just the result of an initial search that includes (for example) all videos obtained by the Washington Field Office. If we move on from that then the numbers begin to fall dramatically.
56 "of these videotapes did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11."
Of the remaining 29 videotapes, 16 "did not show the Pentagon crash site and did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon."
Of the 13 remaining tapes, 12 "only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77."
Only one tape showed the Pentagon impact: the Pentagon's own security camera footage, that would later be released.



Of the 13 remaining tapes, 12 "only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77."

Amazingly any footage before the impact of flight 77 has not been found. I bet they use motion cameras with a time delay start in these videos . How else would these cameras switch on "after" the impact?

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how about you show me one image from one camera at or near the Pentagon that clearly shows a plane (not a blur or trail of smoke) hitting the Pentagon?
Let's see, we have photo's and we have eye dozens of eye witnesses.

Let's list what you have .....

..... I thought so!
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blur wrote:
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people lie, cameras don't...and there are endless amount of liars in this world, you and your crew especially
but at least we agree that the blur does not count as evidence of a plane
you can't show me evidence of a plane that doesn't exist, but I can show you evidence of a missile hitting the Pentagon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
So tell us here, how many people were in on this secret you say there is!

Already we have air traffic controlers, eye witnesses, reporters, saying it was a plane. The several thousand people employed in the Pentagon. So were have atleast several thousand people directly and their families indirectly now keeping this secret. In a city where 2 people couldn't keep a blowjob a secret!

And you think you and video from some unknown person know the real story!
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sorry Charlie wrote:
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they must pay you a lot of money for all the bwunking you do on a daily basis...there is no question about how dedicated you are to the job...all the others have abandoned the sinking ship, yet here you are still fighting despite getting your ass kicked every day on this site. I give you credit for your perseverance.
We haven't abandoned anything, just the quality of SO CALLED truther is falling! 10 years still posting the same crap, with nothing new or original. Every time you claim the smoking gun proof, it turns out false, misleading, or damn right bogus!

So how much is Alex Jones and crew paying you to keep this up!

You do realize Alex Jones made millions off you SO CALLED truthers and your lack of independent thought!

You do realize the laughing trio of Loose Change made millions off you SO CALLED truthers with your 'I believe anything I'm told' mentality!

You do realize every major so called leader of the 9/11 Truth movement made millions off you people who have no ability to reason and research anything on your own!
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crucifiedguy wrote:
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Of the 13 remaining tapes, 12 "only showed the Pentagon after the impact of Flight 77."
Amazingly any footage before the impact of flight 77 has not been found. I bet they use motion cameras with a time delay start in these videos . How else would these cameras switch on "after" the impact?
Actually those videos didn't show shit of anything but what they were suppose to be covering!

You should research security camera systems of the day, understand the frames per sec ratio to number of cameras on those systems.

But doing that takes research, something you are not capable of doing!

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TristanM wrote:
<quoted text>Actually those videos didn't show shit of anything but what they were suppose to be covering!

You should research security camera systems of the day, understand the frames per sec ratio to number of cameras on those systems.

But doing that takes research, something you are not capable of doing!
Imagine that, eh? The unanswered questions remain unanswered and these people still ask the same questions a decade later... It's crazy to not accept cover-ups. Patriots don't question.

How many people saw the plane fly into the Pentagon? Hundreds, reduced to dozens, then we find one witness who admitted to being coerced by powerful people to lie.

The cab driver admits the Pentagon was staged.

http://youtu.be/kvyQ0vVwjqc

Im sure he was the only one who experienced coercion.

Yes, people should go look up 2000 to 2001 off the shelf camera technology and assume our high priority defense installations were protected with gear purchased at Radio Shack. The military didn't have the funding to use high tech gear, and high capacity hard drives to store the data was too expensive for them.

You know the US military has a history of being frugal.

And thermate wasn't checked for because it couldn't cut sideways and would take thousands of pounds to weaken all the floors. Never mind the fact that none of this is true, and the fact the official story claims a couple of floors were heated by fire and that localized collapse led to a global, symmetrical collapse.

And who needs evidence anyway? All we need is computers that can simulate fires set with zero thermal conductivity and other highly unlikely parameters to reach NISTs probable collapse scenario.

So be good slaves and stop asking questions, and remember the government is too incompetent to do things to hurt it's own people so it can gain more control.

And remember

Insults Are Easier

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May 13, 2013
 
Insults Are Easier wrote:
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How many people saw the plane fly into the Pentagon?
well in the video we have the "witness flightpath illustrations" at 14:54 of the plane they seen all going directly to the Pentagon.

But the plane flew over the Pentagon and a curse missile was hot on it heels..right?
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The cab driver admits the Pentagon was staged.
http://youtu.be/kvyQ0vVwjqc
I must of missed the part when he admits the MIB rammed a light pole into his car,scattered pieces of deberies about with no witnesses.

Bent pole,no damage to hood?
Dont suppose the arch of the pole was pointing skywards and therefore not touching the hood?

Thanks for the laugh
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TristanM wrote:
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We haven't abandoned anything, just the quality of SO CALLED truther is falling! 10 years still posting the same crap, with nothing new or original. Every time you claim the smoking gun proof, it turns out false, misleading, or damn right bogus!
So how much is Alex Jones and crew paying you to keep this up!
You do realize Alex Jones made millions off you SO CALLED truthers and your lack of independent thought!
You do realize the laughing trio of Loose Change made millions off you SO CALLED truthers with your 'I believe anything I'm told' mentality!
You do realize every major so called leader of the 9/11 Truth movement made millions off you people who have no ability to reason and research anything on your own!
12 years of unquestioningly slurping the official govie fairytale in its entirety, you shills remain unwavering in your devotion to your masters. Every shred of evidence disproving the official story completely ignored with a wave of the hand. Do you realize the trillions the government has made in the illegal wars of occupation and conquest which you shills have supported because you have no ability to reason and research anything on your own!

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Actually those videos didn't show shit of anything but what they were suppose to be covering!
You should research security camera systems of the day, understand the frames per sec ratio to number of cameras on those systems.
But doing that takes research, something you are not capable of doing!
The type of cameras used in 2001 at the pentagon would not matter .
Since these 12 cameras only showed "after" the impact of flight 77 ,the frames per second ratio would have nothing to do with showing the plane hit the pentagon.
You are correct on one ASSumption though , they won't show shit unless they are supposed to be covering (sh)it up.
Please learn to debunk with a little more effort you have only posted the same non - researched bullshit you seem to think the I post. How about you tell me the formula used by nist to get their "baseline performance" of the world trade center towers.Simulated computer programs developed for the very purpose of supporting the "probable collapse sequence" do not count as they can be fixed or manipulated . Or maybe provide a link to the nist experts that performed the wind resistance test on these towers.A peer reviewed study on these subjects will be sufficient.
Hint . nist didn't perform the wind tunnel tests, insurance company results were used.

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

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ex military wrote:
<quoted text>UDT are what Navy SEALS are now. They were the begining of specops Navy u facking idiot
So you admit he lied and was never a SEAL.

Good start in your recovery from massive, morbid stupidity lil twoofer!

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blur wrote:
<quoted text>people lie, cameras don't...and there are endless amount of liars in this world, you and your crew especially
but at least we agree that the blur does not count as evidence of a plane
you can't show me evidence of a plane that doesn't exist, but I can show you evidence of a missile hitting the Pentagon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Oh junkie!

That's truly hilarious and if your goal is to mock and discredit twoof, good job!

“Twoof, a true act of ignorance”

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Insults Are Easier wrote:
<quoted text>Imagine that, eh? The unanswered questions remain unanswered and these people still ask the same questions a decade later... It's crazy to not accept cover-ups. Patriots don't question.

How many people saw the plane fly into the Pentagon? Hundreds, reduced to dozens, then we find one witness who admitted to being coerced by powerful people to lie.

The cab driver admits the Pentagon was staged.

http://youtu.be/kvyQ0vVwjqc

Im sure he was the only one who experienced coercion.

Yes, people should go look up 2000 to 2001 off the shelf camera technology and assume our high priority defense installations were protected with gear purchased at Radio Shack. The military didn't have the funding to use high tech gear, and high capacity hard drives to store the data was too expensive for them.

You know the US military has a history of being frugal.

And thermate wasn't checked for because it couldn't cut sideways and would take thousands of pounds to weaken all the floors. Never mind the fact that none of this is true, and the fact the official story claims a couple of floors were heated by fire and that localized collapse led to a global, symmetrical collapse.

And who needs evidence anyway? All we need is computers that can simulate fires set with zero thermal conductivity and other highly unlikely parameters to reach NISTs probable collapse scenario.

So be good slaves and stop asking questions, and remember the government is too incompetent to do things to hurt it's own people so it can gain more control.

And remember

Insults Are Easier
Wow!

In Twooferdumb all CCTV are high res, high frame rate with endless amounts of storage I guess.

And the do this only because,

[Their] Ignorance is [Their] Bliss

Steel plating.

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Insults Are Easier wrote:
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And who needs evidence anyway? All we need is computers that can simulate fires set with zero thermal conductivity and other highly unlikely parameters to reach NISTs probable collapse scenario.
Oh Ignorance!

That's yet another extremely dumb claim to add to your ever expanding repertoire of stupid!

First you claim there's some mythical velocity to support twoofers using the term " free fall speed" (but alas, you could never solve for "x").

Then you claimed steel plating lowers the melting steel and that references to steel melting in many other fires was because of plated steel (although you failed miserably to support either contention).

Then you went full chromosome damaged mutant and claimed free fall/symmetry=cd (but again couldn't support either claim with science).

And now your circle of stupid is complete by making yet another preposterous claim that has zero merit.

Ever notice how a blacksmith can hold onto a piece of steel that's glowing red on the other end?

Thermal conductivity, how the heck does it work eh twoofer!

Wow!

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UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Twoof woof on the little Shrill Shill shrew that gone on a screaming help that Truth movement will win over injustice... Woof from a Twoof you Shill screwed good... BWHAHAHHAAA
Twoofer shill nonsense dismissed.

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crucifiedguy wrote:
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Amazingly any footage before the impact of flight 77 has not been found. I bet they use motion cameras with a time delay start in these videos . How else would these cameras switch on "after" the impact?
Actually, I doubt they looked for footage before the impact, during and after yes, but what would the purpose of before serve?

The lamest attempt at evidunce ever.
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Insults Are Easier wrote:
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And thermate wasn't checked for because it couldn't cut sideways and would take thousands of pounds to weaken all the floors.
YAWN!

WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE UNIGNITED NANOTHERMITES THEY FOUND IN THE DUST SAMPLES IN THAT EXPERIMENT? Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center. They made sure the dust samples were untainted, and used advanced instruments to measure what happened when these tiny red-grey chips were heated up.

Thermites reach temperatures of around 4500° and have their own oxygen supply when they burn, so they can burn underwater. Harritt, Jones, et. al. therefore should have heated up the chips in a nitrogen or argon atmosphere to eliminate the possibility that regular hydrocarbons were burning. They also failed to take the carbon-based products out of the mix, so what we may well be seeing is some kind of carbon-based product burning in oxygen. They compared the sudden energy spike of their burning chips with the spikes of known nanothermites, and found that their chips ignited at around 150° C. lower than the known nanothermites, and the energy release was off between their chips and the nanothermites by a factor of at least two. Yet they called this a match for nanothermite!

Attempts to independently replicate this experiment have been dismal. Mark Basile, who appeared in the acknowledgments of the original study, burned the chips in air, replicating the error of the original experiment and not even measuring the energy released. A chemist named Frédéric Henry-Couannier got another dust sample from the original experimenters and wrote,“Eventually the presence of nanothermite could not be confirmed.” The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn’t find thermitic material.
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How many people saw the plane fly into the Pentagon? Hundreds, reduced to dozens,
Could you list the dozens out of hundreds and explain what methodology you used to eliminate the majority of the witnesses?
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Charlie Sheen wrote:
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YAWN!
WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE UNIGNITED NANOTHERMITES THEY FOUND IN THE DUST SAMPLES IN THAT EXPERIMENT? Niels Harritt, Steven Jones and other 9/11 controlled demolition theorists claim to have found nanothermite particles in dust samples from the World Trade Center. They made sure the dust samples were untainted, and used advanced instruments to measure what happened when these tiny red-grey chips were heated up.
Thermites reach temperatures of around 4500° and have their own oxygen supply when they burn, so they can burn underwater. Harritt, Jones, et. al. therefore should have heated up the chips in a nitrogen or argon atmosphere to eliminate the possibility that regular hydrocarbons were burning. They also failed to take the carbon-based products out of the mix, so what we may well be seeing is some kind of carbon-based product burning in oxygen. They compared the sudden energy spike of their burning chips with the spikes of known nanothermites, and found that their chips ignited at around 150° C. lower than the known nanothermites, and the energy release was off between their chips and the nanothermites by a factor of at least two. Yet they called this a match for nanothermite!
Attempts to independently replicate this experiment have been dismal. Mark Basile, who appeared in the acknowledgments of the original study, burned the chips in air, replicating the error of the original experiment and not even measuring the energy released. A chemist named Frédéric Henry-Couannier got another dust sample from the original experimenters and wrote,“Eventually the presence of nanothermite could not be confirmed.” The R.J. Lee Company did a 2003 study on the dust and didn’t find thermitic material.
Conspiracies?
I Prefer fact!
Wasn't the Iraqi war based on a huge unforgivable lie, were thousands of working class fodder American soldiers were sent to there untimely deaths and thousands of innocent Iraqis also killed, while the fat cat military arms makers and dealers built there new holiday homes on the huge profits made, on the back of this unnecessary war?

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Equality--- wrote:
<quoted text>Conspiracies?
I Prefer fact!
Wasn't the Iraqi war based on a huge unforgivable lie, were thousands of working class fodder American soldiers were sent to there untimely deaths and thousands of innocent Iraqis also killed, while the fat cat military arms makers and dealers built there new holiday homes on the huge profits made, on the back of this unnecessary war?
Can't say I disagree on the core of the post.
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TristanM wrote:
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We haven't abandoned anything, just the quality of SO CALLED truther is falling! 10 years still posting the same crap, with nothing new or original. Every time you claim the smoking gun proof, it turns out false, misleading, or damn right bogus!
So how much is Alex Jones and crew paying you to keep this up!
You do realize Alex Jones made millions off you SO CALLED truthers and your lack of independent thought!
You do realize the laughing trio of Loose Change made millions off you SO CALLED truthers with your 'I believe anything I'm told' mentality!
You do realize every major so called leader of the 9/11 Truth movement made millions off you people who have no ability to reason and research anything on your own!
How the hell do you know what the hell Alex Jones or anyone else makes? You people kill me with that bullsh!t.

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